if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[PaladinValer]

I've yet to see any of the anti-Potters here prove where there is blood-drinking or actual magic used which is specifically condemned in Scripture.

I believe I challenged as much. Is it that hard?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Speak for yourself. You said, and I quote:

Originally Posted by itisdeliciouscake Scripture NEVER forbids reading books about magic.

I, in turn, showed where scripture shows that people burned their books about magic after hearing of the encounter between the man with the evil spirit and the seven sons of Sceva.

Originally Posted by itisdeliciouscake There is an enormous difference between books designed to teach demonic magic and fiction about a magical world.

"Fiction about a magical world"? Are you kidding? Not only are there SEVERAL REAL PLACES mentioned in the Potter books, but there are also SEVERAL REAL PEOPLE mentioned as well. Funny thing...these REAL PEOPLE were REALLY involved IN THE OCCULT and CHILDREN are now inquiring about them. Here's a two-part video series that will give you the names of some of these REAL OCCULTISTS who are mentioned in the Potter books and also some details on how CHILDREN are being sucked into THE OCCULT as a result of reading them.

A lot of them are probably sucked into it just hearing some of the stories in the Bible.
If you were put in charge of burning books in the US, would the only book you would keep from being burned be the Bible?

‪Fahrenheit 451‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Blueforest]

According to THIS website, Harry Potter is of teh devil:

DEMONIC CHILD ENTERTAINMENT

This site also says that computer viruses are caused by demons named Boyce or something and that children's toys and imaginations are demonic:

"There was a time in our society when a child's play time revolved around innocent handmade toys. The latest trend in licensing is to release a line of toys at the same time a movie appears in theaters or a new cartoon premiers. Imaginative play that is not focused on exploring the real world, but on exploring the mystical world, is called vain imagination. When involved in vain imaginative play, children often exalt themselves above God, by pretending to be characters which they believe to be more powerful than Jesus."

It seems just about everything is a sin to Christians. I'm amazed internet posting on message boards and demonbuster sites is acceptable protocol for these holy people.

 

[God's Word]

A lot of them are probably sucked into it just hearing some of the stories in the Bible.

The Bible always portrays such things as witchcraft, sorcery, wizardry, etc. in a NEGATIVE way. For example, we read:

Exodus 22:18

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

Leviticus 20:6

"And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a-whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people."

Leviticus 20:27

"A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them."

I Samuel 15:23

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry."

Galatians 5:19-20

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelllings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

That's just a small sample. Witchcraft is sin. God condemned witches and wizards. Those who practice witchcraft shall not inherit the kingdom of God. I could also speak of Pharaoh's magicians who withstood Moses, Elymas the sorcerer who withstood Paul and a host of others. How any of these examples would possibly "suck children into the occult" as you suggest is simply beyond me. Conversely, in Rowlings' books, where "good wizardry" (there's no such thing) is contrasted with "bad wizardry" (it's all bad), well...you get the picture, don't you?

If you were put in charge of burning books in the US, would the only book you would keep from being burned be the Bible?

I would never burn anyone's books but my own. My point was that those who had books about "curious arts" or magic willfully burned their own books after they heard of the account of the man with the evil spirit in him and the sons of Sceva.

Anyhow, as I said on one of these threads (it might have been this one), my own wife was studying/practicing to be a witch in her native country before we got married. Also, several generations of her family were practicing witches themselves. I've seen the relationship between witchcraft and demons with my very own eyes. It's not something to be played with.

 

[God's Word]

My kids are wonderful and have good morals and love God.

So are/do mine. In fact, they willfully turn their eyes and hearts away from such evil as is portrayed/glorified in the Potter books.

 

[Blueforest]

‪Harry Potter is Satan!‬‏ - YouTube

This woman seems to dislike Mr. Potter a great deal. Methinks I must make a facebook post warning my "heathen" (Christian) friends about the dangers of reading Harry Potter. You'd think 20-something grown adults with college educations would know better, but alas... they do not.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Bible always portrays such things as witchcraft, sorcery, wizardry, etc. in a NEGATIVE way. For example, we read:

Anyhow, as I said on one of these threads (it might have been this one), my own wife was studying/practicing to be a witch in her native country before we got married. Also, several generations of her family were practicing witches themselves. I've seen the relationship between witchcraft and demons with my very own eyes. It's not something to be played with.

I am not denying the Bible doesn't portray it in a negative way.
In fact I brought up Exodus 22:18/Revelation 9:21 on this other thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7577000-13/#post58036032
The problem for Anti-Torah types...

Your wife grew up in a culture that probably practices and believes in that, and cultures are as varied around the world as the sand of the seashore.
Take Haiti for instance

Haiti: Introduction to Voodoo

First and foremost Voodoo is a religion. It is the dominant religion of Haiti. Many of the practices and descriptions of Voodoo belief may sound to us like rank superstition, but then, imagine the beliefs of Christianity to people who know nothing about it. Tell them about the trinity or the resurrection, or the presence of Jesus in the eucharist. Any of these practices which very intelligent Christians believe in the fullest would seem no less superstitious to someone unfamiliar with Christianity.

I guess I need to burn my copy of "Live And Let Die" movie now :o

‪Live and Let Die - Baron Samedi‬‏ - YouTube

 

[frankleespeaking]

Thanks to the few Christian posters that see why making sorcery and witchcraft fun and entertaining, is a draw for kids to practice real occult. It truly is a subtle and cunning ploy. most can't even reconize the danger

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thanks to the few Christian posters that see why making sorcery and witchcraft fun and entertaining, is a draw for kids to practice real occult. It truly is a subtle and cunning ploy. most can't even reconize the danger

Oh get off your high horse mate.
This is after all a debate board and sometimes I will play devil's advocate just for fun

I did find this interesting thread on the news and current events board, and what is great about this board is, even the "heathens" can post on it! Fun I say!

http://www.christianforums.com/t6296417/
J K Rowling: ‘Christianity inspired Harry Potter’

 

[Zecryphon]

Franklee, some Christians also over-react to what they perceive as danger, when in reality, no danger is actually present except in their own minds. Reading Harry Potter will not lead kids into the occult. Reading the works of Anton LaVey will. Why don't you go gripe about how easy it is to get his books and leave J.K. Rowling's works alone. I mean she did a great thing with the Harry Potter series. She got kids interested in reading again.

 

[PaladinValer]

Again, I repeat myself, where's the so-called Biblically condemned witchcraft and blood-drinking in Harry Potter? I want page references and quotes from the books (movies don't count).

 

[Blueforest]

To quote the crazy lady from Jesus Camp the movie, "If Harry Potter were in the Old Testament... he'd be put to DEATH!!" so she tells a group of 8 year olds. lol

 

[MKJ]

There is sin in Harry Potter - the sin of bad writing (said MKJ peevishly).

 

[solarwave]

Is it any less different than dragons, that are portrayed in some movies, which are mentioned in both the OT and NT of the Bible ?
Anyone seen a dragon lately?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?

Ezekiel 29:3 "Speak thou! and say 'thus He says my Lord YHWH. Behold Me! on thee Par`oh king of Egypt, the great Dragon the one reclining in midst of his rivers which he says to Me ' my River and I, I made me'.

Revelation 12:3 And was seen another Sign in the heaven and behold! a great fiery red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns. And upon the heads of him seven diadems.

This was an excellent dragon movie IMHO

Well I don't think the Bible is trying to refer to any real dragon, but it probably is trying to refer to what is perceived as real magic.

 

[God's Word]

Your wife grew up in a culture that probably practices and believes in that, and cultures are as varied around the world as the sand of the seashore.

Witchcraft isn't merely a "cultural" thing. It's a demonic thing. Incidentally, I've personally met quite a few practicing witches right here in the United States of America.

Anyhow, I'm probably done with this thread. I posted two videos which do a good job, as far as I'm concerned, of explaining the inherent dangers of the Harry Potter books/movies. Whether any of you take the time to watch them or not is entirely up to you. I can only answer for myself and hopefully affect at least the members of my own household. IOW, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Such "service", at our end, doesn't include any witches, wizards, sorcerers, magicians, etc., etc. UNLESS we're to confront them/it with the gospel or power of JESUS CHRIST as Moses, Paul and others who have gone before us have done. As I said, many of my relatives on my wife's side come from a strong background of witchcraft. I've used whatever opportunities that I've had to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with them. In fact, I preached a sober salvation message at my own wedding where many of them were in attendance.

 

[solarwave]

Thanks to the few Christian posters that see why making sorcery and witchcraft fun and entertaining, is a draw for kids to practice real occult. It truly is a subtle and cunning ploy. most can't even reconize the danger

Do you think that more people do witchcraft now than in the past then? Do you think that J. K. Rowling is in a conspiracy to convert young people to witchcraft?

 

[MKJ]

Do you think that more people do witchcraft now than in the past then? Do you think that J. K. Rowling is in a conspiracy to convert young people to witchcraft?

Yes, just like Lewis and Tolkien.

 

[God's Word]

Sorry...I forgot to quickly address something...

Is it any less different than dragons, that are portrayed in some movies, which are mentioned in both the OT and NT of the Bible ?

Anyone seen a dragon lately?

There are many who believe that Biblical dragons were/are (?...some believe that dragons/dinosaurs ARE still alive today) what are commonly referred to as Dinosaurs today. Here's a video presentation that explains why. Each segment is less than 10 minutes long. Thanks.

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 1‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 2‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 3‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 4‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 5‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 6‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 7‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 8‬‏ - YouTube

‪dragons or dinosaurs - creation or evolution 9‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Blueforest]

Dinosaurs are alive today - we know them as "birds."

What this has to do with Mr. Potter being a demon incarnate, I will never know...

 

[God's Word]

Dinosaurs are alive today - we know them as "birds."

I know them as no such thing.

What this has to do with Mr. Potter being a demon incarnate, I will never know...

LLoJ asked a question about dragons and I provided him with links to some videos about such. That's all.