• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

OK what do we think about ghosts?

What are ghosts?

  • Dead people.

  • Self-delusion

  • Satanic delusion

  • Don't know.


Results are only viewable after voting.

Gospel Trafficker

Trafficking the Gospel to parts unknown!
Jul 3, 2005
572
84
North Carolina
✟23,619.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
I am a "BIBLICAL" Paranormal Investigator / researcher and In my stance, I have to say that what I read in the Bible tells me it is not a dead Person. For many reasons actually. First "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Cor. 5:8). Also, “The dead know not anything” (Ecc. 9:5), "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it " (Ecc 12:7), "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward?" (Ecc. 3:21)

And while the subject of Saul's Seance, it shows that we cannot speak to the dead. (here is an excerpt of an article I wrote about the matter)

So what does the Holy bible say about those who claim to “speak to the dead”? Is this even possible?

We will begin in 1 Samuel 28:7-25

7Then Saul said to his servants, "Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "Behold, there is a medium at En-dor."
8So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went, he and two men with him. And they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Divine for me by a spirit and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you." 9The woman said to him, "Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?" 10But Saul swore to her by the LORD, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing." 11Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" He said, "Bring up Samuel for me." 12When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul." 13The king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What do you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I see a god coming up out of the earth." 14 He said to her, "What is his appearance?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe." And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.
15Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Saul answered, "I am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams. Therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do." 16And Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy? 17The LORD has done to you as he spoke by me, for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19Moreover, the LORD will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me. The LORD will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines."
20Then Saul fell at once full length on the ground, filled with fear because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten nothing all day and all night. 21And the woman came to Saul, and when she saw that he was terrified, she said to him, "Behold, your servant has obeyed you. I have taken my life in my hand and have listened to what you have said to me. 22Now therefore, you also obey your servant. Let me set a morsel of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way." 23He refused and said, "I will not eat." But his servants, together with the woman, urged him, and he listened to their words. So he arose from the earth and sat on the bed. 24Now the woman had a fattened calf in the house, and she quickly killed it, and she took flour and kneaded it and baked unleavened bread of it, 25and she put it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night.
We can pick this apart and write a book just on these few passages but we will stick to the topic.

It is clear that there was a firm belief that contacting the dead could really be done. In fact, at the outset of this incident Saul is presented as having outlawed all kinds of necromancy in strict obedience to the Law (Deut. 18:10-14), yet Saul eventually reveals his identity to the witch (risking his reputation and dirtying his authority) to have contact with Samuel once again!

How was the deceased contacted? The Medium, or one who acts as the “middle” man between the spiritual realm and the physical real begins to ask permission to perform such an act. This is done in a leading manner. In order to fulfill her task, the witch had to know specifically who it was he wanted to contact. "Bring me up Samuel" replied the king. This was the permission and the authoritative
assurance that she would not die for what she was about to attempt. In the next verse (28:12), the Hebrew particle translated "when" is not in the text so that the phrase "And when she saw
Samuel she cried with a loud voice" should be "And she saw Samuel and cried with a loud voice."13 This fact supports the idea that the whole thing happened rather quickly. The witch clearly knew what she was doing. It is safe to assume on to pints that She had done this many times before. 1) This specific witch was referred to by Saul's servant and was obviously well known. We see this in verse 7 "Behold, there is a medium at En-dor." 2) As stated above, this was actually done rather quickly and without trouble.

Was this truly Samuel? Many things point to the answer to this question. 12When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. A scream from her indicates that she is as much
astonished and for the moment frightened as anyone can be. This is an interesting point as we have established previously the witch has obviously performed many of these rituals. Evidently she did not expect such an apparition. The effect was much too great for the cause. She sees that in this apparition a power is concerned much beyond what she can control. The Bible tells us clearly that Satan and his demons are very powerful angelic beings. They are stronger and more intelligent than any human and create a great deal of havoc in the lives of both Christians and unbelievers.

A second point can be noted in the text that only the witch “saw” Samuel. 13The king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What do you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I see a god coming up out of the earth." 14 He said to her, "What is his appearance?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe." And Saul knew that it was Samuel. In the literal Hebrew the word “knew” is actually translated as “perceived”. Saul perceived that is was Samuel. But he did not see Samuel himself. Just like the mediums of today, they are the only ones who can “see” the deceased. We just have to take their word for it. Samuel, being a profit of God, would have never taken the credit of being a god. After all, He was God's prophet, servant, slave, etc. He served God! This leads us further into our doubt.


In this same section of scripture we read, " And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.15Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" Samuel accepted Saul falling face down bowing to him in homage! This is unlike any other prophet or angel of God in their reaction. Every prophet and angel of God in the bible who has been bowed before has declined the homage. The position of every believer, spiritually speaking, is face down in the presence of Christ. He that will not bow to Christ is not a Christian. He that bows to anyone other than Christ is not a Christian. He that would permit men to bow to him is not a Christian. We even see this in Judaism.

When one dies, one does not haunt a home, walk around the earth visiting friends and family trying to bring some message to comfort them. This is simply unbiblical. Job 7:9-10 states:
9 As the cloud disappears and vanishes away,
So he who goes down to the grave does not come up.
10 He shall never return to his house,
Nor shall his place know him anymore.
Based on these two scriptures alone this would disqualify this apparition to be Samuel.
The spirit of man refers to the life force within him, which returns to God when he dies. Ecc. 12:7 states:
7and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

This means that his spirit is not moving around as a “ghost”, nor is it free to possess another person or animal so that the man's personality is continued through them. We will each be judged for our own works. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ,so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. 2 Cor. 5:10.

The spirit returns to God at death, and all consciousness ceases. Any attempt to contact the dead therefore shows a serious misunderstanding of the ample Bible teaching concerning this. Is. 8:19,20 states 19And when they say to you, "Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter," should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. The Bible is quite blunt that people do not return to their previous houses or towns in any way after they are dead; there can be no such thing as a “spirit” or “ghost” haunting such a place after the person has died. Job 20:7,9 could not express this in better terms: 7he will perish forever like his own dung;those who have seen him will say, 'Where is he?' 9The eye that saw him will see him no more, nor will his place any more behold him. A biblical perspective of this will lead us to discount all claims to have seen the 'ghosts' of dead people, haunting their old houses, mediums talking to out loved ones who have passed on, or talking to the ascended masters of the new age groups. Such experiences must be something other than the deceased.

“Can we talk to the deceased?”, Speaking in truth, BIBLICAL TRUTH, one must conclude that we CANNOT speak to those who have passed. Anyone who claims this is leading you down the path of darkness! Stand in the light! The light of Jesus!
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

LBP

GONE
Apr 5, 2010
471
55
✟910.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
I am both a Christian (40+ years) and a serious student of anomalous phenomena (50+ years, member of the Society for Psychical Research, American Society for Psychical Research, International Association for Near Death Studies, etc.). You have to be careful to distinguish between ghosts and apparitions. A typical apparition would be a brief visitation by your late grandmother, perhaps looking ghostly or perhaps looking perfectly lifelike, who simply smiles or delivers some brief message such as "I'm OK" before vanishing. A ghost is typically a remnant of someone once living, perhaps many years ago, who seems tied to a particular location and who may repetitively carry out the same actions again and again, often with no indication of consciousness but occasionally showing some indications of consciousness or awareness. There is no question whatsoever that both of these phenomena are "real" -- i.e., they occur and have been reported by innumerable credible witnesses (and often multiple witnesses); anyone who says otherwise has not done his homework and is simply turning a blind eye. What they "are" is the real question, and there are numerous theories. I don't find it useful to try to explain them in Biblical terms. Trying to explain everything that happens in Biblical terms is, IMHO, the route to a form of lunacy. I do think that the broad Biblical warnings to not actively seek out contact with spirits and to be wary of all contact from spirits are wise. Nonetheless, I have zero doubt that the spontaneous contacts I have had from my late father and sister-in-law were genuine and intended for my benefit. Exactly how they "fit" into Christian theology doesn't concern me. I am EXTREMELY wary of all the "ghost-hunter" type TV shows, ghost-hunter clubs, and everything that surrounds them; I believe that these folks are indeed opening themselves to demonic forces, precisely as the Bible warns against.
 
Upvote 0

LinuxUser

Well-Known Member
Jun 1, 2011
1,018
83
in a house :)
✟1,655.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I really liked "The Sixth Sense". But it set me thinking.
Is it all counterfeit? Or are the unquiet dead with us?
What do we think? (At some point we will get Saul's seance, I know!)

I think there are ghost and hauntings. The vast majority are residual hauntings which is a recording like tivo where the same thing happens the same way all the time (limestone is good for this). There are also other types like poltergeist and such. There is also demonic things out there too.

I do think it's more rare than it seems, just now a days we get info faster.
 
Upvote 0

Yitzchak

יצחק
Jun 25, 2003
11,250
1,386
59
Visit site
✟33,833.00
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
I think that when Jesus returns is when things will be set straight in the supernatural realm. Meaning heaven and hell. in the meantime , there is lot that we do not know.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
 
Upvote 0

Gospel Trafficker

Trafficking the Gospel to parts unknown!
Jul 3, 2005
572
84
North Carolina
✟23,619.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Constitution
Lester Summeral said "ghosts" are disemboided demons.../ devils...
ghosts are a "deception" that there might be some thing good about them...
we take authority over them Luke 9.1, 10.9, Mat 10.10; Mark 16.16-20

as with the 7 sons of Sceva...


I dig it!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tavita
Upvote 0

Moxie123

Well-Known Member
Aug 19, 2011
604
83
Southern California
✟23,833.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
I wholeheartedly believe this earth is one, big battleground for spiritual warfare (in my opinion.)

If there is a Holy Spirit, then it should not be so unusual that other spirits exist.

If angels and demons exist in the Bible, then it is not so uncommon to experience those and other supernatural beings.
 
Upvote 0
E

Elliemare

Guest
I'm taking a class at my church on ghosts, angels and demons. We talked about ghosts last night. We were taught that ghosts are this:

Originally Lester Summeral said "ghosts" are disemboided demons.../ devils...
ghosts are a "deception" that there might be some thing good about them...
we take authority over them Luke 9.1, 10.9, Mat 10.10; Mark 16.16-20



In a nutshell.

It makes sense to me!

I don't believe that an apparition of one's deceased grandmother is just grandma saying "Hi". I believe that even these types of encounters are simply the enemy trying to plant the seed of doubt in our minds. Doubt of God, heaven, hell, etc... It leads us to believe that there must be more to the afterlife than what the bible tells us.

I come from a family who has been both Christian and had an unhealthy interest in the metaphysical. I have personally renounced all involvement in such things. However, my mother and sister are still deeply interested. My sister claims our dead father comes to "visit" her often. This is very upsetting to me because my father had better be in heaven where he's supposed to be! But suggesting to my sister that these encounters could be the enemy in disguise, would really upset her. Its hard for one to believe that satan could take on the face of a deceased loved-one to trap or trick us... but he can! We must protect ourselves from such things at all times. I'm praying that my family members soon see the dangerous territory they are treading on, and renounce their involvement soon too.

I've seen nothing but misery and discontent, and experienced it myself when involved in the occult. Since becoming born again and accepting Christ, my life is completely changed and I'm filled with such peace and contentment.
 
Upvote 0
A

Amber the Duskbringer

Guest
I am not sure what moderate means, if it's in terms of somewhere in between on the political ladder. Anywho :p I just wanted to add my tidbits here. I lived in east texas a few months back with a friend who, well we played weegee board together. To make matters more interesting or worse I had something in that house that really liked me. I made a post about it, it's one of the first posts I made. I do believe now it was a demonic in origin. I would like to say ghosts could be real because that would be more interesting but 9/10 what I would get on the board was a lie. Demons lie. It would get extremely cold, foreboding etc.
 
Upvote 0

Matariki

Love the Lord with all your heart, soul and MIND
Jan 24, 2011
704
39
New Zealand
✟23,620.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Ghosts don't exist (not as they have been perceived by society). Mental illnesses, wishful thinking, and demons do. The dead have nothing to offer to the living, the only things that benefit the living are the living, or what was left behind by living.

Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness.
Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Though we mustn't forget that the occurrences of 'ghosts' came about when God permitted it; such as in the case of Jesus when he was hanging out with Moses and Elijah and when King Saul tried to communicate with Samuel the prophet, though with Saul his experience didn't turn out so well, and it should be a very clear lesson to us.

Jesus explains very clearly in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man;

Luke 16:19-31
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ “He said to him,‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Isatis

Disciple of Christ
Sep 12, 2011
10,970
1,224
✟36,193.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Does anyone have an evidence that ghosts exist?

I believe they do and we have biblical evidence in the following passage:

Mark 6:46-50
46 And when He had sent them away, He departed to the mountain to pray. 47 Now when evening came, the boat was in the middle of the sea; and He was alone on the land. 48 Then He saw them straining at rowing, for the wind was against them. Now about the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea, and would have passed them by. 49 And when they saw Him walking on the sea, they supposed it was a ghost, and cried out; 50 for they all saw Him and were troubled. But immediately He talked with them and said to them, “Be of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid.”

Verse 49 suggests that "ghosts" existed in Jesus' time.
 
Upvote 0