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Constitution's "Natural Born" riddle solved! Read the shocking truth here!

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The Natural Born clause is about what is natural, not what is legal. What is natural is determined by God, not by man. His Father's people were obliged to recognize him as one of their own, because he was God's reward to one of their own. This is why, in order to be "natural born", your father needs to be American.
Not legally.
 
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How about serving this country via military as one of the requirements to being our commander and chief?
That's a good idea if you want a military state.
 
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Of course his father existed, and the land that is currently the country of Kenya existed. But his father wasn't a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born, therefore Obama in not a Kenyan citizen.

His Father belonged to his Nation, whatever that was. Maybe it was a tribe in Kenya.
 
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Herbie the only thing that should end the discussion here is this:

You've been insisting this ever since before the man took office and NO ONE is on your side anymore. Congress declared he is a natural born citizen. NO ONE from this Congress or the last has objected to his eligibility. There was more objection to MCCAIN'S eligibility.

I'm on Herbie's side.

Congress was wrong. They did not base their interpretation of the Natural Born Clause on the Bible. They can't assume to know what is natural on their own, because they are only human.
 
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How about serving this country via military as one of the requirements to being our commander and chief?

The Psalm I cited in my letter says that sons will not be shamed for contending with their enemies at the gate. I assume that means God will not shame sons for defending their country. I also assume that means God wants fathers to teach their sons to defend their country. That probably doesn't necessarily mean sons have to serve in the military.

The definition of Natural Born Citizen I've peiced together from the Bible is this: A person born to an American father who loves and wants to defend their countrymen.

It would probably make sense that a Presidential candidate should demonstrate a desire to defend the country.
 
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Not legally.

You're right -- Not legally, but naturally. The Natural Born Clause is about what is natural, not what is legal.

I'll explain what I mean by this: There are two different types of Law that govern over us. One is the Law of Man, which for us would be the United States government. The other is the Laws of Nature, which would be the Kingdom of God. On one hand, you've got the US Constitution and the US legal code, and on the other, you've got the Holy Bible and God's Natural Law.

The Framers wanted the American people to have a President who was natural for them, but they knew they weren't qualified to determine what was natural themselves. So they deferred to God's Natural Law by simply using the word "natural".

Supposedly, Blackstone defined Natural Born as simply being born within a territory. He was in error, however, because he was wrong to assume that he was qualified to determine what was natural. Humans did not create nature, God did. So only God knows what is natural.
 
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I want to tell everyone that if they want to print my letter, put their own names or aliases on it, and mail it to their own small town newspaper, they have my permission to do so. This Bible birther thing needs to be grass roots.

Suppose we print it as is and keep it in the bathroom in case of emergencies? Do we have your permission to do that as well?
 
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Hopefully you are using high quality paper in your printer. :p
Ew - high quality is too stiff to do a good job. Newsprint would be better suited.
 
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You're right -- Not legally, but naturally. The Natural Born Clause is about what is natural, not what is legal.
No, "clause" makes it a legal term. There is nothing natural about a clause.

I'll explain what I mean by this: There are two different types of Law that govern over us. One is the Law of Man, which for us would be the United States government. The other is the Laws of Nature, which would be the Kingdom of God. On one hand, you've got the US Constitution and the US legal code, and on the other, you've got the Holy Bible and God's Natural Law.
I'm sorry - it's just stupid to say that man cannot define the word "natural". He has defined it in many contexts, time and time again so to say he can't defies the reality of what has been done.

The Framers wanted the American people to have a President who was natural for them, but they knew they weren't qualified to determine what was natural themselves. So they deferred to God's Natural Law by simply using the word "natural".
That's a bizarre supposition.

Supposedly, Blackstone defined Natural Born as simply being born within a territory. He was in error, however, because he was wrong to assume that he was qualified to determine what was natural. Humans did not create nature, God did. So only God knows what is natural.
That's just absurd to say that only God knows what is natural. Absurd and untrue.
 
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No, "clause" makes it a legal term. There is nothing natural about a clause.
It's our Constitution. The clause was writen and agreed upon for a reason and the clause "natural born Citizen" replaced the original wording of "born Citizen" for a reason.
I'm sorry - it's just stupid to say that man cannot define the word "natural". He has defined it in many contexts, time and time again so to say he can't defies the reality of what has been done.
Pennmark is stating that a man made law can not change what is 'natural'.
That's a bizarre supposition.
I find those who hold that the 'supposition' bizarre to be holding a position even more "bizarre. Maybe even foreign and alien to this nation.

That's just absurd to say that only God knows what is natural. Absurd and untrue.
So sad to see this written. I used to hold out hope the not all Uni's were anti-God and really no different than Atheists. Man only knows what he 'thinks' is natural and a lot of Men reckognize that man made laws can not change what is natural by God's law. However, one day all these questions and more will be understood.
 
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It's our Constitution. The clause was writen and agreed upon for a reason and the clause "natural born Citizen" replaced the original wording of "born Citizen" for a reason.

Indeed -- it sounded more impressive.
 
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It's our Constitution. The clause was writen and agreed upon for a reason and the clause "natural born Citizen" replaced the original wording of "born Citizen" for a reason.

yeah you're right, Obama is not a human. He is a synthetic robot made by illegal immigrants and not natural.
 
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It's our Constitution. The clause was writen and agreed upon for a reason and the clause "natural born Citizen" replaced the original wording of "born Citizen" for a reason.

Pennmark is stating that a man made law can not change what is 'natural'.

I find those who hold that the 'supposition' bizarre to be holding a position even more "bizarre. Maybe even foreign and alien to this nation.

So sad to see this written. I used to hold out hope the not all Uni's were anti-God and really no different than Atheists. Man only knows what he 'thinks' is natural and a lot of Men reckognize that man made laws can not change what is natural by God's law. However, one day all these questions and more will be understood.

I figured it out, the reason they changed it from "born Citizen" to "natural born citizen" is so that we can't elect a person whose parents used IVF to conceive them as president. ;)
 
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I figured it out, the reason they changed it from "born Citizen" to "natural born citizen" is so that we can't elect a person whose parents used IVF to conceive them as president. ;)
But it says nothing about being naturally conceived. It's natural born. But you may have a point. C-section? No president for you!
 
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