For the sake of argument, let's say God exists

[AV1611VET]

Just as long as an amputee isn't included, because there indeed seems to be a bias towards them.

Like this one?

Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

 

[Inan3]

What's your explanation of human chromosome #2?

Well, seeing I am not a genetic scientist and I don't have a lot of personal information regarding this, I can only depend on others who do. I have read information in opposing viewpoints which puts me at a point where I have to discern what is true and what is not. I find the information that is contrary to what evolutionists believe enough to give me a reasonable doubt and in light of the fact that I believe what the Bible says regarding the creation of man and beast, then I tend to go with that which supports my belief. Here are some sites that do that or at least they cast doubts upon the evolution viewpoint for me.

Pseudogenes

Pseudogenes

http://swordandshield.biz/Human-Chromosome-II-A.pdf

Chromosome 2: The Best Evidence for Evolution? | Reasons To Believe

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Like this one?

Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

Google is your friend.

 

[Inan3]

Just as long as an amputee isn't included, because there indeed seems to be a bias towards them.

There is no bias towards them from God. I know there have been those who would like to continually propagate this but it isn't true. God will heal all those who can believe it. This requires faith for miracles not just healing. It may also require the "gift of miracles". There is much more to it than God doesn't like amputees. God loves amputees and He wants to see them healed just as much as the next guy. I believe we will see more of these miracles happening as people begin to expect and seek them. God isn't holding back we just need to get in position to receive. And that is definitely NOT an affront against those amputees who have not yet, received their healing.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

There is no bias towards them from God. I know there have been those who would like to continually propagate this but it isn't true. God will heal all those who can believe it. This requires faith for miracles not just healing. It may also require the "gift of miracles". There is much more to it than God doesn't like amputees. God loves amputees and He wants to see them healed just as much as the next guy. I believe we will see more of these miracles happening as people begin to expect and seek them. God isn't holding back we just need to get in position to receive. And that is definitely NOT an affront against those amputees who have not yet, received their healing.

Sophistry.

Can you provide one case in which an amputee was spontaneously healed?

 

[AV1611VET]

Whooo, boy --

Can you provide one case in which an amputee was spontaneously healed?

Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

You want his name too?

Spoiler: his name

Caiaphas

(Note: Don't you get tired of my repetition?)

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Whooo, boy --

Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

You want his name too?

Spoiler: his name

Caiaphas

(Note: Don't you get tired of my repetition?)

Banal don't you mean?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Maybe you deserve to believe a book where hares chew the cud and bats are birds.

 

[Seamus Riley]

sheesh, there's so much going back and forth on faith healing vs medicine. while jesus may have performed miracles, he also advocated modern medicine: when he referred to contemporary medical practice when describing the parable of the good samaritan (luke 10:25-37). he didn't prescribe mud and spit or laying on of hands, but bandages, anticeptic and a soothing salve. jesus' own miraculous healing seemed more to me to be about teaching and reversing the physical effects of "sin" as a show of his coming redemptive act on the cross since it was believed that sin caused many of the common infirmities of the day.

 

[Seamus Riley]

regarding amputees, the bible teaches throughout that even forgiveness and remission of sins doesn't trump consequences. god can forgive a wife beater who has repented and made ammends with those whom he's offended, but its up to the ex-wife whether or not she'll return to him; god won't intervene in this matter and makes no promise of it. same with consequences where limbs are lost. but we have medicine for this. guys running faster than me with their robolegs. people who say they won't believe in god because there are amputees still around are asking god to be the same fairy godmother they claim christians are at fault for when these make similar claims. next it'll be "baldness=no god".

 

[Nostromo]

Unfortunately and fortunately that is true. For the 99% that would rather it is best that there is someone there to help them but for the 1% who believe I will pray for them and they will be healed. I thank God for prayer because many who have been left to die by doctors who could not help them further were healed by God when some prayed for them.

I take it that you're a volunteer at your local (and nearly empty) hospital?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Whooo, boy --

Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

You want his name too?

Spoiler: his name

Caiaphas

(Note: Don't you get tired of my repetition?)

I know I get tired of your ficticious claims.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Unfortunately and fortunately that is true. For the 99% that would rather it is best that there is someone there to help them but for the 1% who believe I will pray for them and they will be healed. I thank God for prayer because many who have been left to die by doctors who could not help them further were healed by God when some prayed for them.

So God would've let them die too, but all it takes is a sufficient amount of prayer to force His hand -- good to know.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Unfortunately and fortunately that is true. For the 99% that would rather it is best that there is someone there to help them but for the 1% who believe I will pray for them and they will be healed. I thank God for prayer because many who have been left to die by doctors who could not help them further were healed by God when some prayed for them.

Why don't you go to the ER every day and heal everybody then? Seems pretty selfish that you're not letting others benefit from your gift, and you let them suffer at the hands of doctors who don't know jack compared to you.

 

[Seamus Riley]

any of you guys have a problem with the biblical position i've presented? i mean, i don't want to interrupt this game of kickball if its as much fun as i think you're having with it, but perhaps there's time to get down to some answers too.

 

[Nathan Poe]

any of you guys have a problem with the biblical position i've presented? i mean, i don't want to interrupt this game of kickball if its as much fun as i think you're having with it, but perhaps there's time to get down to some answers too.

I did appreciate the "healing doesn't trump consequences" train of thought, which would go a long way to explaining amputees, but if we take it to the next step, we'd realize that death is also a pretty severe consequence (far more severe than losing an arm or leg, I dare say), and Jesus had no compunctions bringing people (besdies himself) back from the dead.

 

[Cabal]

I did appreciate the "healing doesn't trump consequences" train of thought, which would go a long way to explaining amputees

Not half it wouldn't.

The examples were a wife-beater reforming and not being accepted back by the wife he hurt; and someone who is...an amputee. No quantifiers.

The fact you can end up an amputee without doing anything wrong makes that a pretty massive case of apples and oranges, and I'm pretty sure an amputee who lost their limbs through no moral fault of their own would be pretty hacked off (bad choice of words, perhaps) at being compared to someone who wilfully crapped their life away.

All the apologetics being produced for these instances of "healing" are just trying to paper over the fact that the statistics are utterly against them.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Someone mentioned in another thread that a doctor will essentially tell you you're going to die if he reckons you have less than a 10% chance of recovery. So as not to give you false hope. That means that realistically one in every ten people who are told they have no hope experience "miraculous recovery". It's not the intervention of God, it's simple probability.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe you deserve to believe a book where hares chew the cud and bats are birds.

Thank you, I do.

The Bible has animals in It that defy evolution to the core: from dinosaurs with navels to lions that eat straw.

 

[AV1611VET]

any of you guys have a problem with the biblical position i've presented? i mean, i don't want to interrupt this game of kickball if its as much fun as i think you're having with it, but perhaps there's time to get down to some answers too.

Jesus said:

Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Here, Jesus is clearly saying that sick people need physicians; not to mention that Luke is known as the 'beloved physician'.