Bible-Creation-Evolution

[AV1611VET]

If Joshua ben Podunk wrote it in his spare time as a joke, the whole thing is invalidated.

That's right -- and yet It still stands.

If any 'book' is easy to pwn, the Bible should be, as It walks such a thin line.

Yet It still converts sinners today, despite massive efforts to eradicate It.

 

[Belk]

That's right -- and yet It still stands.

If any 'book' is easy to pwn, the Bible should be, as It walks such a thin line.

Yet It still converts sinners today, despite massive efforts to eradicate It.

Massive efforts by whom? I am aware of no massive effort to eradicate any religion. Heck even the foolishness that is Scientology has only a small amount of people trying to get rid of it.

 

[Blayz]

Massive efforts by whom? I am aware of no massive effort to eradicate any religion. Heck even the foolishness that is Scientology has only a small amount of people trying to get rid of it.

Eradication is in the eye of the beholder. Personally though:

Eradication:

Not Eradication

 

[AV1611VET]

Massive efforts by whom?

1. the Selucids
2. the Roman Empire -- especially Diocletian
3. various Popes
4. Jesuits in Bohemia
5. Voltaire predicted Its eradication
6. Thomas Paine likewise

 

[Belk]

1. the Selucids
2. the Roman Empire -- especially Diocletian
3. various Popes
4. Jesuits in Bohemia
5. Voltaire predicted Its eradication
6. Thomas Paine likewise

So.. a bunch of dead people. Some of them Christians. I'm going to guess they have a hard time organizing. Maybe if they can start using zombie face book they will be more effective.

 

[Belk]

Eradication is in the eye of the beholder. Personally though:

Eradication:

Not Eradication

OK. You have a point with the Jews. Though I think it is less eradication of their religion and more eradication of them as living breathing humans that was the goal.

 

[AV1611VET]

So.. a bunch of dead people. I'm going to guess they have a hard time organizing.

Yup -- the Roman empire had such a hard time organizing, they conquered massive parts of the world, and was the #1 superpower at one time.

 

[Belk]

Yup -- the Roman empire had such a hard time organizing, they conquered massive parts of the world, and was the #1 superpower at one time.

So... Seen any centurions searching for Christians lately? Let me know if you do. my wife thinks those skirts are pretty hot. Oh, and you might let empire Constantine know. You know, the guy that called the council of Nicaea together? Isn't it hard to eradicate a book that had not been put together yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Let's just say I have a strong hunch they did.

How do you know Darwin wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races?

Because a signed autograph exists. Take a trip to the UK if you're so inclined and see for yourself.


Forgive me if I don't accept your hunch. Got something better?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

How are the "inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers"? Do you feel this is an accurate description?

That's what it looks like to Him from His dwelling place in His temple set in the sun, just like the Word of God states, in the original language.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

That's right -- and yet It still stands.

If any 'book' is easy to pwn, the Bible should be, as It walks such a thin line.

Yet It still converts sinners today, despite massive efforts to eradicate It.

Massive efforts? I'm not aware of any.

As for converting sinners, I guess all this proves is people are willing to believe just about anything.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And if people started believing history over mythology, they'd know that Columbus (and pretty much the rest of the civilized world) kinew the Earth was round ever since the anceint Greek mathematician Eratosthenes not only proved it, but accurately measured it.

If people knew Hebrew, they would know that tebel, translated world, means globe.
If people knew Enoch's writings, they would know that men before the flood knew that the stars over the North never set, as they should not and do not, as the heavens turn around the the globe.

8And I saw chariots in the heaven, running in the world, above those portals in which revolve the stars that never set.

If people knew real history, they would know all the nations on all the continents were settled by the tribes after the tower of Babel fell, and traded their goods with one another by merchant ships until the last dark age.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And if people started believing history over mythology, they'd know that Columbus (and pretty much the rest of the civilized world) kinew the Earth was round ever since the anceint Greek mathematician Eratosthenes not only proved it, but accurately measured it.

Also, if people knew not just history, but the Bible, they would know that Nebuchadnezzar ruled all the kings of all the kings of the earth -the entire globe, wherever man, beast, or fowl dwelt. The Olmecs, of what is now Mexico, were in decline in 600 BC, when Nebuchadnezzar ruled the kings that ruled them.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is no way to reconcile a literal interpretation of Genesis with science.

Genesis is more scientific than any science so called invented by men who live on earth and have never seen anything outside it, in person, and cannot even tell what it really is and invent fables of evolution which keep on changin.


The science of Genesis 1 shows us that the universe is electric ["Let there be light, and there was light"], and that the heavens themselves are stretched out as an expanse, between the divided waters of the earth's creation, and before day 2 of creation week, there was no heavens between the waters, and before day 4 there was no sun and no moon.
Now men who deny that are not scientists, but fable makers, blind and unable to ever learn anything about the wonderful creation of God.

There are men who are not Bible believing, but are scientists who study the electric universe, and write about the things in it which prove it to be so. They are on the right track, even though they have no knowledge of God.

 

[mzungu]

Genesis is more scientific than any science so called invented by men who live on earth

Yes dear, some tea perhaps?

 

[Freodin]

How bout this then. I actually didnt receive anything. The blessings just went into a inbox on CF. I personally have received nothing from you. So your point is mute.

Mute point or moot point or nude point... I gave, you got. The blessings are still there in your account, as I can see.

But, let´s follow that line, if you want to. You personally have received nothing from me.

So tell me: what did I personally receive from God that I had to actively reject? The Gospel of Jesus Christ? Well... I got that. It just went to my bookcase. But personally?

The real point is that you reject The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Or are you saying you want God to force you to believe Him because you refuse to on your own?

My collection of handy quotes is not as organised as AV1611VET's, but I can assure you that I have heard here a lot of time how "faith is a gift from God".

I don´t believe, because I don´t believe. I find the story unconvincing, the arguments not compelling, the evidence lacking. I find that there are better explanations, based on experience and compelling evidence.

This has nothing to to with "free gifts". It has everything to do with reason.


Just consider: I just now send you a third gift - the gift of my argument, the gift of my reasoning. Do you reject this gift? Do you accept that everything I said is true... but you just reject it?

(And I still wonder if you will find a way to get rid of my second gift. )

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yes dear, some tea perhaps?

Anytime!
Tea Party picture by Psalm83 - Photobucket

 

[USincognito]

If people knew real history, they would know all the nations on all the continents were settled by the tribes after the tower of Babel fell, and traded their goods with one another by merchant ships until the last dark age.

That sounds a lot like Mormon archaeology, not real history. In real history, humans migrated out of Africa about 150,000 years ago (and other Homo species had done so even earlier). Eurasia was settled by 50-75,000 years ago, Australia 40-60,000 years ago. And the Americas weren't settled until 15,000 years ago. Oceana wasn't fully settled until 1000 years ago. Your trade claim doesn't even warrent rebuttal.

Also, if people knew not just history, but the Bible, they would know that Nebuchadnezzar ruled all the kings of all the kings of the earth -the entire globe, wherever man, beast, or fowl dwelt. The Olmecs, of what is now Mexico, were in decline in 600 BC, when Nebuchadnezzar ruled the kings that ruled them.

Nebuchadnezzer II didn't even rule all of the middle-East. He didn't conquer the Persians, Lydians or Egyptians just on his borders, much less the rest of the world.

Where are you getting this stuff?

 

[Hespera]

Yes dear, some tea perhaps?

i could make some scones......

 

[TheReasoner]

Genesis is more scientific than any science so called invented by men who live on earth and have never seen anything outside it, in person, and cannot even tell what it really is and invent fables of evolution which keep on changin.


The science of Genesis 1 shows us that the universe is electric ["Let there be light, and there was light"], and that the heavens themselves are stretched out as an expanse, between the divided waters of the earth's creation, and before day 2 of creation week, there was no heavens between the waters, and before day 4 there was no sun and no moon.
Now men who deny that are not scientists, but fable makers, blind and unable to ever learn anything about the wonderful creation of God.

There are men who are not Bible believing, but are scientists who study the electric universe, and write about the things in it which prove it to be so. They are on the right track, even though they have no knowledge of God.

yeshuasavedme, I wonder, have you read the communications between the relevant christian people concerning the emergence of heliocentrism?

You should. At one point it was considered - at best - borderline blasphemous to NOT accept the ptolemaic system - that is placing the earth in the center and letting everything else rotate around it. Including the sun. For introducing heliocentrism many men, including Galileo and Copernicus both faced the inquisition and were in grave danger.

Now we know they - the church - were wrong in their interpretation of the bible. Are you so sure you're not making the same mistake?

Yet you insist that you are right. And what do you use as backing for this? Your interpretation of the bible. Can we say that it is absolutely correct? No. You're a human being, human beings are wrong. And everyone is bound to misunderstand the bible at one level or another. Including you. So humility is crucial. I do not see you displaying it though.

Careful, yeshuasavedme, suddenly you'll encounter someone who knows a little about a field you claim certainty in, and she or he may reveal your mistakes - or in a worst case scenario will dismiss Christianity because they believe you to be both wrong and arrogant.

I can guarantee you are wrong about several of your assertions. For one you do not appear to know what science is. Nor what electricity is. I do not claim to have absolute knowledge. But I do know much more than the average joe. And the funny thing is, though we know creationists to be dead wrong on most of their claims through well known and oft repeated experiments you still make the same claims, insisting absolute knowledge.
Can we dismiss a God? No. Science is not about that though. Sure, some people whose lives are based on fear may think so. But all we scientists do is examine the universe around us. We do [as a group] generally not have a political agenda beyond what will enable us to do our work. Many of my fellow students, and many of our professors are believers. But creationism is NOT something we can accept in a professional or academic capacity as it is contrary to what we have experimentally determined about this universe.

You claim one thing, yet the universe in it's entirety claims something else entirely. So I wonder, who should we believe? The very echo of God's spoken word - or your interpretation of a few verses in a book written by human beings who were inspired by God to write it?

I go for God's creation myself. Certainly not someone who makes claims she has no backing for and supports this by calling other people - including myself - blind fools. Hardly proper Christian behavior.
Matthew 5:22 says: "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." (My emphasis)