Bible-Creation-Evolution

[AV1611VET]

Eratosthenes probably proved it on paper from the comfort of someone's backyard before their dogs chased him off.

You really should learn about these things -- a simple google search should suffice --

Oh, please do tell me all about Google -- especially as it pertains to basic doctrine that I keep hearing doesn't exist.

-- before making asinine claims.

Don't you mean 'canine claims'?

Noah was real? Says who?

Google is your friend.

 

[Assyrian]

In addition, I'm sure if anyone in the early years of Genesis thought the world was flat, Noah would have corrected them.

Shem, Noah's son, lived right up to the time of Jacob, and would have provided eyewitness testimony of a round earth.

If anyone sees a flat earth in the Scriptures, they're reading It wrong.

What exactly was Shem supposed to have seen that showed him the earth was round?

 

[AV1611VET]

A pity not one of those believers ever gets the message ungarbled.

How did they become believers then?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Oh, please do tell me all about Google -- especially as it pertains to basic doctrine that I keep hearing doesn't exist.

So, nothing of value from you? No surprise.

Don't you mean 'canine claims'?

Rather praise yourself than make a point? No surprise.

Google is your friend.

The Bible is not yours -- you hardly seem on any kind of terms with it.

 

[1611AV]

Here is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Read it

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Do any of you believe this? Faith is simply believing the Word of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

What exactly was Shem supposed to have seen that showed him the earth was round?

I can name 360 things he saw that showed him -- would you like to know what they were?

I can even sum them up in one word.

 

[Nathan Poe]

How did they become believers then?

One need not get something right in order to (claim to) believe it -- You're all the proof of that we'll ever need.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Here is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Read it

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Do any of you believe this? Faith is simply believing the Word of God.

Hmmm -- I seem to recall the Gospel being just a wee bit longer than this.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I can name 360 things he saw that showed him -- would you like to know what they were?

I can even sum them up in one word.

"degrees" would neither be clever nor particularly useful.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Read it

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Do any of you believe this? Faith is simply believing the Word of God.

Isn't it sad, bro, that people complain how hard the Bible's message is to comprehend, when It can be summed up in one verse, consisting of only 19 one-syllable words?

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

[1611AV]

Hmmm -- I seem to recall the Gospel being just a wee bit longer than this.

Which Gospel? And you didn't say wether you believed it or not.

 

[Belk]

Why would God give you anything more than the opportunity to receive eternal life? He already gave his Son for you.

You have demonstrated up till this point that you reject his Son Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Until you receive the free Gift that he has offered you (Salvation), you will get nothing more from him other than his wrath.

So accept the "Free Gift"* of an all powerful being or he will be angry at you. You think I should worship this being for what reason again? Fear of retribution?



* Normally free gifts are, you know, free. Not the "Free gifts" of an unethical salesman.

 

[AV1611VET]

"degrees" would neither be clever nor particularly useful.

I'm sure Eratosthenes would disagree.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Which Gospel? And you didn't say wether you believed it or not.

Let's just say that having read and studied what as been written on the life of Jesus of Nazareth, I find it is not historical fact.

I find his teachings to be quite useful and benevolent, but alas, too few of those who claim to follow them actually do -- and none do so without the insistence of hisoticity, which is easily debunked.

Question: If I could show you that the details of Jesus' life as described in the Bible were not historical in the least, wouldn't that cast some doubt as to the validity of the Bible's promise of salvation?

And without that guarantee, would you bother being a Christian at all?

 

[1611AV]

So accept the "Free Gift"* of an all powerful being or he will be angry at you. You think I should worship this being for what reason again? Fear of retribution?



* Normally free gifts are, you know, free. Not the "Free gifts" of an unethical salesman.

If you don't receive the free gift then you don't get the free gift.

If I say here is a free gift and you say, "No thats OK, Im good without it" Then you have not the free gift. But the gift is still free. Because you don't receive it does not change the fact that it is free.

BTW, that all powerful being died for your sins. Because He loves you that much. So there is a better reason for worshiping Him.

 

[Freodin]

If you don't receive the free gift then you don't get the free gift.

If I say here is a free gift and you say, "No thats OK, Im good without it" Then you have not the free gift. But the gift is still free. Because you don't receive it does not change the fact that it is free.

BTW, that all powerful being died for your sins. Because He loves you that much. So there is a better reason for worshiping Him.

Well, that is incorrect. Provable incorrect.


Check your blessings...

 

[sandwiches]

Consistence does seem to be their problem. I've always wondered why believers, who have a direct line to god, and god is omnipotent, why can't they just ask him to give me the same insight they get from god?

Instead you always get some woo-woo answer about seeking, praying,....blah blah blah.

They believe that receiving accurate information is akin to removing free will...

Yea, I don't get it either.

Are you talking about people or Bible?

Both, ultimately, but let's assume the Bible is inspired, and concentrate on the readers. How can we tell who truly "gets it" and who doesn't?

 

[Nathan Poe]

BTW, that all powerful being died for your sins. Because He loves you that much. So there is a better reason for worshiping Him.

Dying means a lot to folks like you and me -- for this "all powerful being," it was a three-day inconveninece. And what's three days next to eternity?

If He's so interested in showing His love, he'd do better by giving something of value to Him.

If I give a five-dollar bill to a homeless man, I've given him something he values, but means little to me -- do I expect or deserve his worship?

 

[sandwiches]

Why would God give you anything more than the opportunity to receive eternal life? He already gave his Son for you.

You have demonstrated up till this point that you reject his Son Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

I want Heaven to be real. I want eternal life to be real. However, if there is a God, he made me with the full knowledge of what I would accept as evidence of his existence and sacrifice, if there ever was any. So, if he's going to send me to hell for how me made me, then he essentially created with the only goal of sending me to hell.

Until you receive the free Gift that he has offered you (Salvation), you will get nothing more from him other than his wrath.

This is so humanly evil and petty that it is without a doubt that these ideas are purely human constructs. Basically you're saying that your god is saying "LOVE ME OR SUFFER!" Anyone else acting that way, we'd immediately be able to label them as psychotic.

 

[1611AV]

They believe that receiving accurate information is akin to removing free will...

Yea, I don't get it either.



Both, ultimately, but let's assume the Bible is inspired, and concentrate on the readers. How can we tell who truly "gets it" and who doesn't?

Those who agree and believe with what the Bible says get it.
Those who disagree and disbelieve with what the Bible says don't get it.

Sorry for what seems like a simple answer, but its that simple.

We can discus specific details if you wish. But you have to give me a example.