Creation and PreAdamites

[Research1]

Is research1 a troll?

You are a poe, and your only comeback is to accuse me of being a troll.

You have claimed the Neo-Assyrian empire belted the entire globe reaching the Central America. No one serious would claim this.

You are clear parody of a YEC.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. Dan 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold. Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

1 King Nebuchadnezzar, To the nations and peoples of every language, who live in all the earth:
May you prosper greatly!
2 It is my pleasure to tell you about the miraculous signs and wonders that the Most High God has performed for me.
3 How great are his signs,
how mighty his wonders!
His kingdom is an eternal kingdom;
his dominion endures from generation to generation.
...
37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.

Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Jasher Chapter 10 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887Chapter 10

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And Peleg the son of Eber died in those days, in the forty-eighth year of the life of Abram son of Terah, and all the days of Peleg were two hundred and thirty-nine years.
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And when the Lord had scattered the sons of men on account of their sin at the tower, behold they spread forth into many divisions, and all the sons of men were dispersed into the four corners of the earth.
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And all the families became each according to its language, its land, or its city.
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And the sons of men built many cities according to their families, in all the places where they went, and throughout the earth where the Lord had scattered them.
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And some of them built cities in places from which they were afterward extirpated, and they called these cities after their own names, or the names of their children, or after their particular occurrences.

Mitzraim/Egypt, a son of Ham, measured the earth, so the ancient writings go. His kingdom was ancient Egypt, and in all the old maps of the earth, Egypt is the center from which those measurements are taken, as Charles Hapgood's "Maps Of The Ancient Sea Kings" shows is true. The Pyramid is the center of that ancient civilization founded by Mitzraim/Egypt, before the dark ages began, which were sent by God on the world as the direct result of the confounding of the mother tongue at the fall of the tower of Babel, and the subsequent scattering of man over the entire land mass of the globe, after Babel.

The land mass was also gradually divided after Babel, until the scattered tribes of Adam were divided/Peleg by languages and land mass, and their lives were shortened/Yoktan.

All three of these things were done by God so as to keep man cast down from his former height of glory in his darkened heart of rebellion, until the plan and purpose for which the earth was created and man was formed from it, could reach its fulfillment.

We have had dark ages of technological set backs again and again, since the flood, just so that the plan of God will be fulfilled in its entirety, before the wicked are removed form the earth and the millennial kingdom comes on earth, and God's will be done then, on earth as it is in heaven.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ecc 1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.
Piri Reis Antarctica map - Antarctica ice free shown in ancient map

The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC. World-Mysteries.com

Any Bible believing Christian can also believe that there is another technological set-back coming, for the final battle of" Armageddon" is fought by men on horses, with chariots, and with weapons of wood and metal which will be gathered and used for fuel in Israel for seven years.

God nuked Sodom and Gomorrah, and He'll do the weapon of mass destruction on God and his hordes, but Gog and his hordes will be using horses, chariots, and swords and shields.

 

[Research1]

Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. Dan 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold. Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

As already explained this did not mean the entire globe, only the 'earth' (Hebrew: erets meaning land) in a limited geographical context.

Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The word translated as earth, means land or country, not the entire globe. For example note Genesis 12: 1 -

''The LORD had said to Abram, “Go from your country (erets - earth), your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.''

So do you believe Abraham left our planet? The word translated earth in Hebrew does not mean the entire globe.

The land mass was also gradually divided after Babel, until the scattered tribes of Adam were divided/Peleg by languages and land mass, and their lives were shortened/Yoktan.

All three of these things were done by God so as to keep man cast down from his former height of glory in his darkened heart of rebellion, until the plan and purpose for which the earth was created and man was formed from it, could reach its fulfillment.

We have had dark ages of technological set backs again and again, since the flood, just so that the plan of God will be fulfilled in its entirety, before the wicked are removed form the earth and the millennial kingdom comes on earth, and God's will be done then, on earth as it is in heaven.
Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ecc 1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.
Piri Reis Antarctica map - Antarctica ice free shown in ancient map


Any Bible believing Christian can also believe that there is another technological set-back coming, for the final battle of" Armageddon" is fought by men on horses, with chariots, and with weapons of wood and metal which will be gathered and used for fuel in Israel for seven years.

God nuked Sodom and Gomorrah, and He'll do the weapon of mass destruction on God and his hordes, but Gog and his hordes will be using horses, chariots, and swords and shields.

All this crackpottery seriously damages creationism.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hebrew word "tebel" is "globe.
The "BL" elements mean "to swell". Ball, balloon, belly, bell, bulb... and so on, have their roots in those Hebrew elements.
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, [and] lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set [them] among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth/eretz [are] the LORD'S, and he hath set the world/tebel/globe upon them.

Martinez, Dead Sea Scrolls in English, page 333...
and the battle of heavenly heroes spans the globe...

pg 347...]the circuit of the globe..
The Dead Sea Scrolls Translated: The Qumran Texts in English by Florentino Garcia Martinez and W. G. E. Watson

 

[yeshuasavedme]

''The LORD had said to Abram, “Go from your country (erets - earth), your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.''So do you believe Abraham left our planet?

In the Word, Earth is not a wanderer/planet, not a "wandering star with no light". Earth is fixed in its place, and it was created before the heavens were stretched out [on day 2] between earth's divided waters .

Can ye not comprehend what ye read?
"your" country", "your" people","your" father's household. Abraham had to leave only Lebanon, but Nebuchadnezzar would have had to go from the earth if he were to depart from his own dominion.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

For what it's worth, racial superiority isn't an "evolutionist doctrine", so please stop saying that it is. That's false witness.

Yes it is. In the Bible there is only one human being race called Adam, and that is the "old man"; and in the Bible there is only one human being race called "Israel" [Isaiah 49], and Christ is come in the New Man created human being flesh called "Israel" [as Firstborn].
"Races" is an evolutionist invention. There are only tribes/ethnic groups of the one Adam race on earth today, in human being bodies of flesh [and one tribe of them is called by the New Man name, invoked over them as a sign of the adoption which was to come].
Anyone who believes there are "races" evolved from apes or any sub-humans is an evolutionist racist, and is bigoted and uninformed of the Word's teaching that we are all "Adam" as to our kind [Genesis 5:2].

 

[Mallon]

Yes it is.

Then please kindly direct me to an authoritative textbook on evolution in which it is taught that some races are "superior" to others.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Then please kindly direct me to an authoritative textbook on evolution in which it is taught that some races are "superior" to others.

How old are you, if I may ask? I am in my 65th year, and this was taught to me in my own 7th grade general science book in KY public school system.
You can start here-
Darwin Online: Darwin's Publications

The Influence of Evolution on Nazi Race ProgramsThe Influence of Evolution on Nazi Race Programs
Jerry Bergman

Evolution's influence on Nazism is a highly emotional topic which has been researched and discussed to only a limited extent. Contemporary documents conclusively demonstrate that Nazi governmental policy was highly influenced by evolutionist thought the zeitgeist of both science and educated society of the time.' Their treatment of Jews and other "inferior" groups was largely a result of strong belief in biological evolution as the means to improve humankind. The Nazis first tried to achieve this goal by isolating the "inferior races" to prevent them from further contaminating the "Aryan" gene pool.2 It was widely believed that it was scientifically proven that the Jews and certain other races were genetically inferior. The government was simply trying to apply this science to produce a superior race of humans as part of their goal of a better society. Hitler's writings reveal that he viewed humankind as "animals," to whom principles learned from animal breeding can be applied. As Clark3 concluded:

• Adolf Hitler's mind was captivated by evolutionary teaching - probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas - quite undisguised - lie at the basis of all that is worst in Mein Kampf - and in his public speeches. Hitler reasoned… that a higher race would always conquer a lower.

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/racist.shtml
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Darwin spoke of the "gorilla" and the "Negro" [sic] as occupying evolutionary positions between the "Baboon" and the "civilized races of man" ("Caucasian"); viz: At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro [sic] or Australian and the gorilla.[49, 3][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Despite his hatred of slavery, Darwin's writings reek with all kinds of contempt for "primitive" people.[17][/FONT]

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/eugenics.htm[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Evolution or Creation? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Birth of Eugenics[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] After reading The Origin of the Species, subtitled, The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, Darwin's cousin, Francis Galton reasoned that a better breed of men could be produced with proper guidance and "judicious marriages." He wrote in his book, Hereditary Genius, that "it would be quite practicable to produce a highly-gifted race of men by judicious marriages during several consecutive generations."[96] [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Galton coined the term "eugenics" (well born) in 1883, and campaigned extensively for socially engineered marriages which would over several generations produce, he thought, a highly gifted race of people. Galton wanted to limit marriage to the union of well-born partners and prohibit marriages of the "unfit" so that "what Nature does blindly, slowly, and ruthlessly, man may do providently, quickly, and kindly."[96][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Darwin congratulated Galton on the publication of Hereditary Genius. While Darwin did not distance himself from cousin Galton, contemporary apologists of Darwin do. They seek to distinguish Darwin from those who made unseemly social application of his ideas.[96][/FONT]

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[Mallon]

How old are you, if I may ask?

I'm 28. And I can honestly say that, in my 23+ years of education (I'm in the last year of my PhD in palaeontology), I have never been taught that evolution results in some human races being inherently superior to others. Some might be better adapted to their environments than others (as a Caucasian, I wouldn't last very long in the African sun, for example), but it simply does not follow that evolution produces some races that are morally superior to others, as you were taught.

I am in my 65th year, and this was taught to me in my own 7th grade general science book in KY public school system.

I'm sorry to hear that. Though I suspect that racism was quite rampant in Kentucky 65 years ago even (especially?) among those people who rejected evolution.
Can I ask if you remember the title of the book that promoted such racism in the name of evolution? More importantly, do you remember what argument was put forth to support the notion that evolution produces some human races are inherently superior to others?

You can start here-
Darwin Online: Darwin's Publications

Thanks, but with respect, simply telling me that some people used evolution to justify their own racism doesn't actually tell me HOW the theory of evolution necessarily leads to racism. Many Christians have promoted racism, too. For example:

"1) George McCready Price, who is to young-earth creationism what Darwin is to evolution, was much more racist than Darwin. He wrote,

The poor little fellow who went to the south
Got lost in the forests dank;
His skin grew black, as the fierce sun beat
And scorched his hair with its tropic heat,
And his mind became a blank.
In The Phantom of Organic Evolution, he referred to Negroes and Mongolians as degenerate humans (Numbers 1992, 85).

2) During much of the long history of apartheid in South Africa, evolution was not allowed to be taught. The Christian National Education system, formalized in 1948 and accepted as national policy from 1967 to 1993, stated, among other things, that white children should 'receive a separate education from black children to prepare them for their respective superior and inferior positions in South African social and economic life, and all education should be based on Christian National principles' (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998).
The policy excluded the concept of evolution, taught a version of history that negatively characterized non-whites, and made Bible education, including the teaching of creationism, and religious assemblies compulsory (Esterhuysen and Smith 1998).

3) The Bible Belt in the southern United States fought hardest to maintain slavery.

4) Henry Morris, of the Institute for Creation Research, has in the past read racism into his interpretation of the Bible:
'Sometimes the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have even become actual slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane, practical matters, they have often eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites (Morris 1976, 241).'"

I'll also add that Hitler claimed to be doing the work of the Christian God (hence the Nazi slogan "God with us").

The point is that people will use all sorts of things (e.g., religion or evolution) to justify their own racism, but if does not follow that evolution necessarily promotes racism any more than does Christianity. Therefore, I would really appreciate if you would stop saying that it does.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm 28. And I can honestly say that, in my 23+ years of education (I'm in the last year of my PhD in palaeontology), I have never been taught that evolution results in some human races being inherently superior to others.

I gave you links that have the statements that Darwin & Co made about that very fact. "Educated" people since Darwin were taught that evolution from apes to man produced different "races", and believed that some were more evolved/superior than others.
Examples abound for discovery, by anyone who wants to know, as it is not hidden.

The point is that people will use all sorts of things (e.g., religion or evolution) to justify their own racism, but if does not follow that evolution necessarily promotes racism any more than does Christianity. Therefore, I would really appreciate if you would stop saying that it does.

I think you are confusing "ethnic" wars with "racism". Ethnic groups fight within themselves for mastery [look at the middle east today, and see that is so], but they do not teach the lie of being more evolved than their cousins whom they fight.
Darwin taught evolution of apes into humans, and taught some were superior, and more highly evolved than others. Hitler believed it.
You need to read this, to learn what went on by Darwin and friends, who killed human beings and caged them as "specimens to study", from Australia.
http://www.temcat.com/L-4-Reference-Library/Creation/Darwin-bodysnatchers.pdf


The seventh grade general Science book I remember so well [for I had never been taught that man evolved from apes before that], had one of the famous pictures of the fable of the evolution of the human race, built up as a fabulous tale around a sawed down pig tooth -or something [but that was not revealed until much later], and a whole family evolving was marching across the front of the book, evolving from ape-to ape-man-to modern man -and even the primitive family of the same, with babe in mothers arms, was marching beside him -and all from a tooth that turned out to be a fraud!

Racism is a doctrine of evolution.
Biblically there is only one human being race, Adam, and the New Man race, called "Israel".
Adam is the name of our own "old man"race, and there is only one race of human beings on earth at this time.
We are all one [Adam] bone, one [Adam] flesh, one [Adam] spirit, one [Adam]blood, and made male and female, by the Creator.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm 28. And I can honestly say that, in my 23+ years of education (I'm in the last year of my PhD in palaeontology), I have never been taught that evolution results in some human races being inherently superior to others..

I hope you read the Darwin body-snatchers link.
Here is another showing how evolution results in the teaching of inferior human beings.

Ota Benga

Ota Benga

The man who was put on display in the zoo!

by Jerry Bergman

Summary

One of the most fascinating stories about the effects of evolution on human relations is the story of Ota Benga, a pygmy who was put on display in a zoo as an example of an evolutionarily inferior race. The incident clearly reveals the racism of evolutionary theory and the extent to which the theory gripped the hearts and minds of scientists.
The man who was put on display in a zoo was brought from the Belgian Congo in 1904 by noted African explorer Samuel Verner. The man, a pygmy named Ota Benga (or ‘Bi’, which meant ‘friend’ in his language), was soon ‘presented by Verner to the Bronx Zoo director, William Hornaday’.1
The pygmy was born in 1881 in Africa. When put in the zoo, he was 150 centimetres (4 feet 11 inches) tall, about 23 years old, and weighed a mere 47 kilos (103 pounds). Often referred to as a boy, he had been actually married twice—his first wife had been kidnapped by a hostile tribe, and his second had died from a poisonous snake bite.2
He was first displayed at the 1904 St Louis World’s Fair, and was exhibited with other pygmies as ‘emblematic savages’ along with other ‘strange people’ in the anthropology wing. This first stop in America was influenced by what some have called ‘Darwinism, Barnumism, and racism.’3
Ota Benga later ended up at the Bronx Zoo, where he was put on display in the monkey house. Although zoo director Hornaday insisted he was merely offering an ‘intriguing exhibit’ for the public’s edification, he ‘apparently saw no difference between a wild beast and the little Black man; for the first time in any American zoo, a human being was displayed in a cage. Benga was given cage-mates to keep him company in his captivity—a parrot and an Orangutan named Dohong’.4
Persuaded by Darwin’s theory

YouTube - False Evidence Of Evolution 2 : Ota Benga

 

[Mallon]

Thanks again for your reply, yeshuasavedme. I readily accept that some people have twisted the teachings of evolution to justify their racism in the past. Similarly, some people have twisted the teachings of the Bible to justify their racism. But again, just because people have done this does not mean that evolution requires or necessarily leads to racism (ditto the Bible). Evolution teaches that different lineages adapt to their environments with time, but although I've asked, you haven't yet shown that the acceptance of this teaching requires one to become a racist.
For what it's worth, modern evolutionary theory holds that humans are a single species -- Homo sapiens -- and that all humans therefore share a common ancestry. This is completely in line with your understanding that there is "one human being race", so I don't know why you continue to say that "Racism is a doctrine of evolution". This is also completely contrary to what Louis Agassiz -- a staunch 19th century creationist -- believed; he thought that different human races were created separately, and were therefore different species. I don't hold Agassiz's opinion to be representative of creationism and I wish you wouldn't hold the beliefs of Darwin to be representative of modern evolutionary thought.

Please stop saying that racism is a doctrine of evolution because it isn't.

 

[shernren]

If the spectacle of a YEC black supremacist and a YEC white supremacist playing tug-of-war over the words of Holy Scripture weren't so utterly saddening, it would be one of the funniest threads I've ever seen in my time here on CF.com.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If the spectacle of a YEC black supremacist and a YEC white supremacist playing tug-of-war over the words of Holy Scripture weren't so utterly saddening, it would be one of the funniest threads I've ever seen in my time here on CF.com.

Yeshuasavedme [Terrie]

So who's the black supremacist?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

For what it's worth, modern evolutionary theory holds that humans are a single species -- Homo sapiens -- and that all humans therefore share a common ancestry.

Evolutionary doctrine teaches that different "races" evolved, and that some are more evolved [more superior], than others.

Please stop saying that racism is a doctrine of evolution because it isn't.

But I gave you links with the words from the books that prove otherwise, from Darwin on.
Racism, defined as separate races of mankind having evolved from apes, and one superior/more advanced in evolving upwards from apes, over another, is a doctrine of evolution.
"Ethnos against ethnos" has always been with us since Cain killed Abel, for instance, and brother against brother, then their tribes against one another, has not ceased since that first hatred and murder; but the doctrine of racism in the definition above is a result of Darwinism.
-Are you claiming that Darwinism has "evolved" upwards, morally, since its "beginning"?

 

[Mallon]

Thanks again for the reply, yeshuasavedme, but you simply haven't addressed anything I've said so far. My points are as follows:

1) Yes, once upon a time, some people used to believe that some human races (like Negros) were "less evolved" than others. However, the state of being "less evolved" is nothing more than a value judgment and does not follow from the basic premise of evolution that different lineages adapt to their respective environments through time. Thus, accepting the premise of descent with modification in no way requires one to be racist, and completely does away with your belief that racism is a doctrine of evolution.
2) Many of the founding fathers of modern YECism (e.g., George McCready Price, Henry Morris) were also racist and used the Bible to defend their racism. If you're going to believe that evolution is racist based on the supremacist tendencies of its early thinkers, you are being hypocritical by not also holding YECism to be a racist doctrine based on the the supremacist tendencies of its early thinkers.
3) Modern evolutionary theory actually holds that all races share a common human ancestor. This aligns perfectly with your understanding of "one human being race" descended from Adam and Eve, and completely does away with antiquated thinking about some humans being "more evolved" or "more human" than others. Heck, the only person to subscribe to polygenism on these forums is Research1, and he's a special creationist!

So far, you have avoided addressing these points and have just continued repeating the refrain that "racism is an evolutionist doctrine". This is false witness.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Thanks again for the reply, yeshuasavedme, but you simply haven't addressed anything I've said so far. My points are as follows:

1) Yes, once upon a time, some people used to believe that some human races (like Negros) were "less evolved" than others. However, the state of being "less evolved" is nothing more than a value judgment and does not follow from the basic premise of evolution that different lineages adapt to their respective environments through time. Thus, accepting the premise of descent with modification in no way requires one to be racist, and completely does away with your belief that racism is a doctrine of evolution.
2) Many of the founding fathers of modern YECism (e.g., George McCready Price, Henry Morris) were also racist and used the Bible to defend their racism. If you're going to believe that evolution is racist based on the supremacist tendencies of its early thinkers, you are being hypocritical by not also holding YECism to be a racist doctrine based on the the supremacist tendencies of its early thinkers.
3) Modern evolutionary theory actually holds that all races share a common human ancestor. This aligns perfectly with your understanding of "one human being race" descended from Adam and Eve, and completely does away with antiquated thinking about some humans being "more evolved" or "more human" than others. Heck, the only person to subscribe to polygenism on these forums is Research1, and he's a special creationist!

So far, you have avoided addressing these points and have just continued repeating the refrain that "racism is an evolutionist doctrine". This is false witness.

You're welcome.

No, it is not false witness. I gave links to the writings that teach that. Those writings are not refuted by evolutionists. I think that you may be in denial of what racist doctrines evolution is inherently about.

Do you know that our one human being race is named "Adam", by the Creator [Genesis 5:2], and made "male and female [Genesis 5:2]", and that the female Adam person was built from the rib bone and flesh bit from the male Adam "firstborn", by the "residue" of the one, created Adam spirit [Malachi 2:15], by the creator?
In other words, in the Word of God, we learn that there is only one race of human beings, and that one is-
one spirit [Malachi 2:15]
one bone [Genesis 2:23; 29:14; Judges 9:2 2 Samuel 5:11 Chronicles 11:1...]
one blood [Acts 17:26]
one flesh [Genesis 2:23; 29:14; Judges 9:2 2 Samuel 5:11 Chronicles 11:1...]
but made male and female [Genesis 5:2; Genesis 1:27].

There is no evolution in the Word of God; but since the tower of Babel, the tribes have scattered by tongue divisions over the habitable part of the globe, which land mass began to be divided itself, at the time the scattering began, so as to further separate the sons of Adam as they were scattered, for the purpose of keeping Adam-kind divided and not "one/united" people, until the purpose and plan of God for the race of Adam and the creation of earth can be fulfilled.
That is the Bible doctrine of one created race, called Adam.

Darwin wrote a book subtitled "The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life."

Posted by Phil Ryke



In recognition of the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin, the Kairos Journal recently reminded its readers of the subtitle to the evolutionist's magnum opus, The Origin of the Species. What is the book's subtitle? The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.
This obviously opens the door for something that contemporary Darwinists try to deny, namely, that evolution as a worldview is an inherently racist theory that opens the moral door for eugenics, euthanasia, and other crimes against humanity.
Here is what Darwin writes in The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex:
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']"With savages, the weak in body or mind are eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."[/font]

Perhaps you have not really read the father of modern racist evolutionary doctrine, for yourself, but maybe you depend on others to tell you what to think isn't in it?
Perhaps you haven't read his followers books, nor learned that the doctrines of Darwin's racism spawned the horrors of wicked abuse of fellow human beings by NAZI Germany?
Perhaps you don't know that Islam itself has taken off with the doctrines of evolution and made horrid statements about the Jews, as being inferior to their own tribal groups, even though Abraham is the father of the Arabs who are descended from Ishmael, and the father of many of the nations [who have been conquered by Islamic followers] who are also descended from Abraham and Keturah, his third wife?

Also, FYI: I am arguing my position from what is written in the Word of God.

 

[Research1]

Yeshuasavedme [Terrie]

So who's the black supremacist?

You don't have to be black to be a black supremacist. You are clearly one of these self-hating whites since your posts in this thread show quite evidently you hate white people and are claiming blacks found all world civilizations (Assyria, Babylonian the Olmecs etc) - which is Afrocentric pseudo-history.

 

[Research1]

So far, you have avoided addressing these points and have just continued repeating the refrain that "racism is an evolutionist doctrine". This is false witness.

Tell them to look up John Edmonstone.

 

[Mallon]

No, it is not false witness. I gave links to the writings that teach that. Those writings are not refuted by evolutionists.

You're bearing false witness again. Early writings by so-called "social Darwinists" have been refuted by evolutionists. Thoman Huxley did away with Social Darwinism in his book Evolution and Ethics back in 1893. Some of the books on my bookshelf that address Social Darwinism are Strickberger's Evolution, Evolution vs. Creationism, and Darwin: For the Love of Science. Here are some online articles that refute the relationship between evolution and racism, too:

Racism and the Public's Perception of Evolution | NCSE
CA005: Evolution and racism

Darwin wrote a book subtitled "The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life." Perhaps you have not really read the father of modern racist evolutionary doctrine, for yourself, but maybe you depend on others to tell you what to think isn't in it?

This is more false witness. The term "race", as used by Darwin in the title of his book, refers to species, not to human races. The title simply points out that some variations that occur naturally survive in greater numbers and are therefore "favoured" by natural selection (i.e., they are not selected against). Darwin doesn't even refer to human evolution in that book. It's odd that you accuse me of not having read the book when it appears that you have not read it yourself.

Perhaps you haven't read his followers books, nor learned that the doctrines of Darwin's racism spawned the horrors of wicked abuse of fellow human beings by NAZI Germany?

This is more false witness. I just explained to you that Hitler's genocide does not follow from the principles of evolution, and that he had to twist the theory of evolution in order to justify his actions (again, it does not follow that if different races are adapted to their respective environments, some races are necessarily "better" than others. That is a value judgment that stands apart from the science of evolution.).
And again, Hitler not only twisted evolutionary theory in support of himself, but he twisted Christianity, too. For example, he wrote:

"The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."

and

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, . . . so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."

and

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"

To condemn evolution based on Hitler's lunacy and yet not condemn Christianity for the same reason, you are being hypocritical.

Perhaps you don't know that Islam itself has taken off with the doctrines of evolution and made horrid statements about the Jews, as being inferior to their own tribal groups, even though Abraham is the father of the Arabs who are descended from Ishmael, and the father of many of the nations [who have been conquered by Islamic followers] who are also descended from Abraham and Keturah, his third wife?

Actually, most fundamentalist Islamists completely reject evolution.

Also, FYI: I am arguing my position from what is written in the Word of God.

A) Claiming the biblical high ground while repeatedly breaking the 9th commandment doesn't help your credibility.
B) The evolution of human races from a common human ancestor is completely in line with the Bible's description of the origins of the different races.
C) You still haven't actually addressed my three points above. All the arguments you've put forth so far can be refuted with respect to one of the three points I made in my last post to you.