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Is there ANY solid creation evidence?

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The Creation and Evolution forum is a sub-forum of Physical and Life Sciences.
In other words, you want me to keep quiet, while you guys claim we don't provide any physical evidence for the Creation event?

But the moment I agree with you, I no longer qualify to express myself here?

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Wouldn't 'zero evidence' in itself be a scientific statement?
 
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In other words, you want me to keep quiet, while you guys claim we don't provide any physical evidence for the Creation event?
No, he suggests that you're in the wrong place :) We know you don't claim to have evidence. However, other creationists have repeatedly done so, and other creationists have tried to sell creationism as science. The thread is about them.

But the moment I agree with you, I no longer qualify to express myself here?

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Wouldn't 'zero evidence' in itself be a scientific statement?
It is. It's usually used in the context of "zero evidence --> no reason to believe claim" ;)
 
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It demonstrates that the Genesis account is backwards.

You are not thinking. It is absolutely in a scientifically correct sequence. The name of the scientific model is the Big Bang.
 
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No, he suggests that you're in the wrong place :) We know you don't claim to have evidence. However, other creationists have repeatedly done so, and other creationists have tried to sell creationism as science. The thread is about them.

It is. It's usually used in the context of "zero evidence --> no reason to believe claim" ;)
Let me get this straight, Naraoia.

You guys claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and so you're here asking for evidence for the Creation event -- (and I won't even get into how ... ironic ... that is) -- and that's okay.

I, likewise, claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and even prove it with a challenge, and I shouldn't be here?

Is this the 'thanks' I get for agreeing with you guys? or is it my faith icon that bothers you guys?
 
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You are not thinking. It is absolutely in a scientifically correct sequence. The name of the scientific model is the Big Bang.
That's incorrect.

In the beginning...
Not much to say about that.

God created...
No evidence that a deity had anything to do with it at all... but onward.

the heavens...
Likely this meant "the sky" but you've interpreted it to mean "space". Either way, not exactly correct. There was a singularity and nothing else. It didn't expand to fill space. It expanded and space was where it expanded. So was matter. It's still expanding. Stars are still being born. It's not like this creation event happened once and stopped. The first generation of stars had to come and go before we could have any of the heavy elements that make up the earth.

and the earth...
about eight billion years later. So it's wrong in the very first sentence.

The creation account and the Big Bang are two entirely separate things. Please don't run around conflating the two just because you think it's convenient to do so. If you believe in Genesis you don't believe in the Big Bang theory.
 
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You guys claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and so you're here asking for evidence for the Creation event -- (and I won't even get into how ... ironic ... that is) -- and that's okay.
Plenty of creationists claim that creationism is scientific, or that there is some way in which creation is evident in the world around us. Telling them that there's no justification for that view, and asking them to provide evidence to back it up doesn't seem all that unreasonable in the science forums.
I, likewise, claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and even prove it with a challenge, and I shouldn't be here?
You're claiming creation isn't scientifically verifiable, so why would it be relevant in the science section?

Is this the 'thanks' I get for agreeing with you guys? or is it my faith icon that bothers you guys?
You don't really agree with us. The only way I can imagine that you think that is in an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of a way, but since you think that creation happened and not in any kind of scientifically verifiable way, again, why would it be relevant in the science section?

It's nonsense even putting a creation subforum under the science heading, but this is a Christian forum so it's to be expected.
 
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Plenty of creationists claim that creationism is scientific, or that there is some way in which creation is evident in the world around us.
So? what do you guys care?

If you know better, why the inquisition?

I can understand someone being curious enough to want to see where we're coming from; but to stick around to harangue, ridicule and mock belies an emotional fixation on Something you claim you don't believe in in the first place.

And we're the oddballs?
 
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Since your arguments are based solely in faith, I would suggest the Christianity and World Religion section (/f76).

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C'mon now. I think it is ridiculous to claim AVET shouldn't be posted about creationism in the "Creation and Evolution" subforum. Especially since there are few (if any) creationists who's real argument is not faith-based.
 
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Let me get this straight, Naraoia.

You guys claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and so you're here asking for evidence for the Creation event -- (and I won't even get into how ... ironic ... that is) -- and that's okay.

I, likewise, claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and even prove it with a challenge, and I shouldn't be here?

Is this the 'thanks' I get for agreeing with you guys? or is it my faith icon that bothers you guys?

I'm not sure that Naraoia was agreeing with Delphiki. She was explaining his position.

We certainly agree with you about the evidence. I personally support you posting here that there is no evidence for creationism. Keep on truck'in, buddy! :thumbsup:
 
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I'm not sure that Naraoia was agreeing with Delphiki. She was explaining his position.

We certainly agree with you about the evidence. I personally support you posting here that there is no evidence for creationism. Keep on truck'in, buddy! :thumbsup:
:blush: -- thank you.

Lord willing, I intend to.
 
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Let me get this straight, Naraoia.

You guys claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and so you're here asking for evidence for the Creation event -- (and I won't even get into how ... ironic ... that is) -- and that's okay.

I, likewise, claim there is no evidence for the Creation event, and even prove it with a challenge, and I shouldn't be here?

Is this the 'thanks' I get for agreeing with you guys? or is it my faith icon that bothers you guys?

I'm not sure that Naraoia was agreeing with Delphiki. She was explaining his position.
That. Oh, AV, don't get me wrong, you can grate on the nerves... but if I really wanted you gone, I could just ignore you like I do dad ;)

That said, I am puzzled by your presence in a thread like this (if the shoe doesn't fit, why try to squeeze into it?) I'm not sure I understand your problem with people asking for evidence for creationism either. On a board where the majority of creationist posters claim that such evidence exists, isn't this justified?

We certainly agree with you about the evidence. I personally support you posting here that there is no evidence for creationism. Keep on truck'in, buddy! :thumbsup:
Just don't expect anyone to be convinced ^_^
 
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Many fields including metaphysics. Physical science is just one branch.
If you're expecting some kind of response, or even for me just to read and understand your point, you could at least express it in a coherent sentence.
 
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So? what do you guys care?
I care that people know the truth and speak the truth, surely you can appreciate that.
If you know better, why the inquisition?

I can understand someone being curious enough to want to see where we're coming from; but to stick around to harangue, ridicule and mock belies an emotional fixation on Something you claim you don't believe in in the first place.
See above. I don't think I'll ever know where you're coming from, because I cannot fathom the kind of thinking that allows one to remain a creationist in the presence of all the evidence against it.

Why the inquisition... because people who believe the rubbish that is pumped out by the ID crowd and similar groups actually make decisions which affect other people, decisions based on empty claims and terrible reasoning.

Do you think this forum will ever be renamed to simply "Evolution" in recognition that there is no controversy?
 
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Am I being selfish? perhaps just a little.
If you are who I think you are, and you're from where I think you're from, you guys tried to undermine this Christian nation twice and got pwned.

If you want to play my-country-is-better-than-yours, we'll be glad to fish one of your flags out of Lake Erie and mount it on one of your largest mosques in Europe.

Just saying -- ;)
 
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In the beginning...
Not much to say about that.

You are very wrong from the beginning.

I can give you a full two-hour lecture on this three words.

If fact, this three word is a super perfect start of the (or any) creation account. No one, or any other religion, can do it any better than that.
 
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