Ask a physicist anything. (5)

[SAMMISPARROW]

Well, I can fly and you have to prove that I cannot. Same concept, there is no way for you to know that i do not have wings, but since I am making the claim it is up to me to provide proof. Extraordinary claims (an all knowing all powerful being) require extraordinary evidence.

Just because you cannot see beyond, does't mean there is nothing there. We are insignificant compared to all of creation and the maker of all of creation and all the laws that have been placed that govern all order in creation and it goes on and on. But never mind,the creator has given us enough nuts to crack open and investigate to reveal what they're made of and how they are formed. Ha !!

 

[mzungu]

Just because you cannot see beyond, does't mean there is nothing there. We are insignificant compared to all of creation and the maker of all of creation and all the laws that have been placed that govern all order in creation and it goes on and on. But never mind,the creator has given us enough nuts to crack open and investigate to reveal what they're made of and how they are formed. Ha !!

I do not need to see what is under my car's hood to ascertain that there is an engine.
I can conclude to an extremely accurate degree the type of engine, power output, consumption, efficiency, etc. of the engine just by taking measurements, make observations and calculations and test runs.

The problem with creationists is that they like to enjoy the fruits of science but at the same time dismiss science altogether by claiming the imaginary as being above empirical evidences.

This is basically IMHO a very hypocritical stance since most if not all creationists will seek medical help if faced with a serious medical condition while at the same time by dismissing evolution they are in effect dismissing biology, biochemistry, and eventually medicine itself. Biology makes absolutely no sense without the Theory of Evolution.

Just like Jesus once said: "Hypocrites and Pharisees"!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

A lack of knowledge reveals.............. a lack of knowledge

Absolute knowledge reveals..............the creator.........Ha!!!!

Perhaps, but is there, in fact, a being with absolute knowledge?

I can give you no advice , WC, because you are smarter than I am. You know the difference between truth and falsity. Judge for yourself.

I have. I am also capable of re-evaluating my decision at the drop of a hat - or, more accurately, at the presentation of new evidence and/or rationale. Personal testimony is unlikely to make me believe, but something external and objective, sure.

To shadow another thread: do you think God should demonstrate his existence?

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

Well that's why I didn't give you my personal testimony. What value is it to you? Suppose I told you that I saw the Virgin Mary with my own two eyes? You wouldn't believe it, unless you saw it yourself. Even then.........

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well that's why I didn't give you my personal testimony. What value is it to you? Suppose I told you that I saw the Virgin Mary with my own two eyes? You wouldn't believe it, unless you saw it yourself. Even then.........

Indeed, I'm all too wary of how the mind can trick itself - that is why I don't trust personal testimony, and would be sceptical of any vague 'experiences' I might have myself. But like I said, something external and objective. Flaming letters in the sky proclaiming the truth of Mormonism, or something.

 

[mzungu]

Well that's why I didn't give you my personal testimony. What value is it to you? Suppose I told you that I saw the Virgin Mary with my own two eyes? You wouldn't believe it, unless you saw it yourself. Even then.........

Enjoy

YouTube - Seeing Is Believing: How the Brain Interprets Vision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrAwr-ReuVA&feature=related

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

God bless you, Wiccan Child. You are strong and hard, and I commend you for that. So strong. So hard. Like a rough diamond. You will be of great value to the Lord.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

God bless you, Wiccan Child. You are strong and hard, and I commend you for that. So strong. So hard. Like a rough diamond. You will be of great value to the Lord.

Thank you! I aim to please Though for some reason I'm reminded of the story of the Pharaoh and his hardened heart...

 

[mzungu]

God bless you, Wiccan Child. You are strong and hard, and I commend you for that. So strong. So hard. Like a rough diamond. You will be of great value to the Lord.

Thank you! I aim to please Though for some reason I'm reminded of the story of the Pharaoh and his hardened heart...

LOL


YouTube - Love Is In The Air

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

Pharaoh? Now your just feeling grandiose.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Pharaoh? Now your just feeling grandiose.

Not the Pharaoh part so much, but the hardened heart part. I've also been called a 'Biblical fool' before; that was a good one

 

[TheReasoner]

Not the Pharaoh part so much, but the hardened heart part. I've also been called a 'Biblical fool' before; that was a good one

lol
"biblical fool", eh? That's a new one. I'm guessing you've also been called a "#$%! liberal intellectual"? That's a really good one IMHO. Funny how some people who are attempting to insult me end up giving me compliments

 

[mzungu]

I don't know about you lot but Wiccan child has the best thread in all CF! Just goes to show that PHYSICS RULES

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem with creationists is that they like to enjoy the fruits of science but at the same time dismiss science altogether by claiming the imaginary as being above empirical evidences.

No, we don't claim the 'imaginary' is above empirical evidences.

We claim the 'divine' is above empirical evidences.

Empirical evidence is between the imaginary and the divine:

1. Realm of the divine: Heaven, Kingdom of God
2. Realm of the empirical: universe
3. Realm of the imaginary: Santa Claus, Easter bunny, evolution

 

[mzungu]

No, we don't claim the 'imaginary' is above empirical evidences.

We claim the 'divine' is above empirical evidences.

Empirical evidence is between the imaginary and the divine:

1. Realm of the divine: Heaven, Kingdom of God
2. Realm of the empirical: universe
3. Realm of the imaginary: Santa Claus, Easter bunny, evolution

There cannot be empirical evidence when the entity in question is based on the unfalsifiable. Deities such as the following are all unfalsifiable:

 

[AV1611VET]

There cannot be empirical evidence when the entity in question is based on the unfalsifiable.

Yes, I know -- science is myopic.

I've only been saying that here for almost five years.

So much for cheap, myopic, junk science, eh?

Science needs to learn to stay within its boundaries and quit trespassing into the realm of the divine.

Or we'll be there to put it back in its place --

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes, I know -- science is myopic.

I've only been saying that here for almost five years.

So much for cheap, myopic, junk science, eh?

Science needs to learn to stay within its boundaries and quit trespassing into the realm of the divine.

Or we'll be there to put it back in its place --

Science has a say on any claim that could potentially be demonstrated or evidenced. This includes the existence of deities: since there is no empirical evidence or logical rationale to bolster the probability of the existence of a deity, we are accurate in saying that there is nothing in science which points to the existence of any deity.

If you believe in God for non-scientific means, this conclusion shouldn't worry you. It doesn't worry you, does it, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

Science has a say on any claim that could potentially be demonstrated or evidenced. This includes the existence of deities: since there is no empirical evidence or logical rationale to bolster the probability of the existence of a deity, we are accurate in saying that there is nothing in science which points to the existence of any deity.

If you believe in God for non-scientific means, this conclusion shouldn't worry you. It doesn't worry you, does it, AV?

Not at all -- God is much, much bigger than science.

I love to bring up the fact that scientists can't build a machine that can do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... and therefore doesn't have a right to trespass into the divine.

 

[KIYX]

You may ponder one night, looking up at the stars, watching them and the moon move from point to point in the dark skies and consider the planets, those that we know of, and also those that may be beyond, and wonder what is holding it all in place, and why,

Er, the orbits of planets haven't been a mystery in years and years.

and you may consider that there may be other life out there, somewhere, who knows. Haven't you ever wondered.

Sure, and never once have I fallen back to a "magic man done it" answer.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Not at all -- God is much, much bigger than science.

Which means what, exactly? 'Bigger' in what sense? Physical volume?

I love to bring up the fact that scientists can't build a machine that can do this:

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Behold:

... and therefore doesn't have a right to trespass into the divine.

That seems to be a non sequitur. How does the inability of early 21[sup]st[/sup] century scientists to replicate 2 Kings 6:17 (something I doubt, but nevermind), how does that demonstrate that scientists do not have "a right to trespass into the divine"?
What does it even mean to "trespass into the divine"?