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I so hear you David. If one is not careful the weight of the even the smallest amount of knowledge of all the evil that is happening behind the scenes will tear one's guts out. I find I am incredibly detached from this world now knowing about some of the symbols, words and deeds that these evil forces are h*llbent on clubbing this world this world to death with. Anymore I find I often cannot handle the cartoons and programs for all the garbage within them that are currently being fed to our children and that is truely pathetic.

Will be checking for your posted dream of the rapture and you'd like you can search for a dream I posted a years back.
 
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And to Chilled Water: If you don't believe that God is all that matters, yes, we most certainly disagree.

Way to warp what I said. :thumbsup:

I use to respond and be active on here, but people misunderstood me ENTIRELY too much; it was outragious. I was feeling a lack of fellowship on here because of all of the pride of the people who apparently, "Know everything". If you read my previous responses you would see that this was a spur of the moment thing, that this is NOT my main focus AT ALL.

Perhaps they didn't misunderstand you, but they didn't (and may still not) agree with your interpretations and conclusions of eschatology. Obviously there are some that do, as they have spoken up in this thread, but there definitely are those that don't.

To relegate them to just too proud to acknowledge that "you're right and they're all wrong" is plain old bigotry.
 
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So what sort of debate should go on here, Chilled Water? Seriously. This is the forum on eschatology, Revelation, the apocalypse. Seems related to me. The moderators thought it appropriate as well when they moved the thread here.

Even seems to be a popular thread today. ;)

God works in mysterious ways, Chilled Water. Perhaps there's more value in this thread than you recognize.


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I want to say that I appreciate your responses NightHawkeye
You don't get impatient and look at both sides; that means a lot. And not just because you agree with me! Also, your use of scripture in your responses is explosive! :)
 
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Way to warp what I said. :thumbsup:



Perhaps they didn't misunderstand you, but they didn't (and may still not) agree with your interpretations and conclusions of eschatology. Obviously there are some that do, as they have spoken up in this thread, but there definitely are those that don't.

To relegate them to just too proud to acknowledge that "you're right and they're all wrong" is plain old bigotry.

If you had read my previous posts; you would know that He is all that matters to me.

I am always open to admitting a fault or wrong, we all have them. So often we all come across as having this, I am right and you are wrong attitude. That is what led me to leave for a while. I am working on it myself, but as with everyone, there is always going to be one belief that you are stubborn and unwilling to admit you are wrong about.
 
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I so hear you David. If one is not careful the weight of the even the smallest amount of knowledge of all the evil that is happening behind the scenes will tear one's guts out. I find I am incredibly detached from this world now knowing about some of the symbols, words and deeds that these evil forces are h*llbent on clubbing this world this world to death with. Anymore I find I often cannot handle the cartoons and programs for all the garbage within them that are currently being fed to our children and that is truely pathetic.

Will be checking for your posted dream of the rapture and you'd like you can search for a dream I posted a years back.


For real!!!!! And don't you love that? Being seperated from the world means being Sanctified for Him. I had to stop watching tv all together, have not watched tv for over a year or so. I find reading, meditation, and fellowship to be so much more rewarding.
If you want to check that dream, I just posted it
 
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You don't get impatient and look at both sides; that means a lot. And not just because you agree with me!

LOL. Thanks, but to be honest I don't agree with some of your conclusions, David. As for looking at both sides, I really just try to stick with the truth. It's not always easy.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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LOL. Thanks, but to be honest I don't agree with some of your conclusions, David. As for looking at both sides, I really just try to stick with the truth. It's not always easy.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Which is most logical. The Truth is what matters!
 
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I want to say that I appreciate your responses NightHawkeye
You don't get impatient and look at both sides; that means a lot. And not just because you agree with me! Also, your use of scripture in your responses is explosive! :)

Amen to that.:amen:

I, for one, thank our Majesty often for leading me to know my brothers and sisters here who help me better understand what i am looking at.
 
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Could you clarify what you disagree with, CC? Zeener's post was somewhat ambiguous.

Sure...I agree with him that the biggest threat to our freedom and liberty is our own Federal Government. I also agree that our Government is complicit in the plot to bring about a New World Order. This experiment that we call the USA is a prototype. A new order of nations with a new fiat system is about to be born...but the pain will increase first.

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Sure...I agree with him that the biggest threat to our freedom and liberty is our own Federal Government. I also agree that our Government is complicit in the plot to bring about a New World Order.
OK. I also agree.

This experiment that we call the USA is a prototype.
Agree again. The USA has been an anomaly among world governments in recognizing that individuals are endowed by their creator with the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

... unless you really meant the opposite. ^_^

A new order of nations with a new fiat system is about to be born...but the pain will increase first.
Unfortunately, that new order is the old world order of totalitarianism and elite rule. (currently most often disguised as communism/Marxism/socialism) The USA went against that trend for many years, but is now being drawn in ...

... been gradually creeping toward that for years, but pace is increasing rapidly now.


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Response to the OP:

Read the following scriptures cafrefully .... who is this "great city" part of MBG that falls just after the 144000 children of Israel are sealed at the beginning of the tribulation period?

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14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 
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Response to the OP:

Read the following scriptures cafrefully .... who is this "great city" part of MBG that falls just after the 144000 children of Israel are sealed at the beginning of the tribulation period?

Revelation
14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

The apostate church which all of the son's of Abraham, NOT just the RCC.
 
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"The apostate church which all of the son's of Abraham, NOT just the RCC."

I would say this:

Apostate religions including those of professing christianity are certainly a part of MBG's distractions

But I see MBG as a much broader picture of intransigent humanity .... all of the unbelieving, past, present, and at the time of the end

This self ruling mode of human self separation from the Lord began at Babel when men began to cluster in cities for gaining independence from the Lord

The Lord looks at all of this and calls it MBG, a system of human decadence that has grown to enormous proportion

And this condition has a central and core "great city" part at the time of the end .... a materialistic, wealthy, decadent, corrupted, and wayward civilization which He hates

So He intends to destroy this "great city" part of MBG in one day and it will never rise again .... and He will do it by motivating the beast and the 10 other kings to do it

This great city part of MBG is described primarily as an commercial importer, exporter, and market place of the earth at the time of the end
 
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Read the following scriptures cafrefully .... who is this "great city" part of MBG that falls just after the 144000 children of Israel are sealed at the beginning of the tribulation period?

LOL. Only one "great city" qualifies, meeting all defined characteristics, in today's world.


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No. It's Vatican City. NYC doesn't sit on seven hills and dress in purple and scarlet.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Hmm ..., I'm not seeing a match there. ^_^

And the Vatican is a really poor match with the previously mentioned characteristics ...


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Not the Vatican for sure .... the description does not fit

And the 7 "mountains" are kingdoms, not the hills of Rome

5 have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come [these are kingdoms of the beast] [Revelation 17:8-18]

To say that 5 hills of Rome have fallen, one is, and the other is to come makes no sense

And it is the beast and the 10 other kings of his kingdom who will destroy the great city part of MBG

Could the great city [civilization] be the USA ? ..... yes, this is possible, and if we are close to the time of the end, I think there is no question about it

The USA is a unification of states and their cities acting as one economic "city" related to business and commerce .... no trade barriers, doing business internally and externally on a global basis, and the model of capitalism and free enterprise which has been transplanted across the earth

To say that they are the 7 hills of Rome makes no sense at all
 
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