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1 Peter 2:13-17 "Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor."

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Test everything. Hold on to the good."

Ecclesiastes 12:12 "Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body."

Romans 13:3-4 "For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

Please do not slander the government without scripture to even back it up, the Bible from what ive read seems to promote respect for authorities. In fact it even tells us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:4)

Luke 20:25 "Caesar's," they replied. He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

I agree, and just got finished reading about respecting and submitting to authority in 1st Peter. What I am promoting is the truth, and unless I am mistaken, my main exhortation was for people to think for themselves. We are told to submit to authority, to submit to your husband, to submit to your parents. The gray area is how far we are asked to submit. Would you submit to the government even if they asked you to abandon God and worship money? Or would you agree with your husband(if you're a wife) if he told you to stop reading your bible and become buddhist? What about your parents, if they asked you to lie to others, to purposefully sin so that they can be better off? That's the point I am trying to make. Those who say there is no persecution in America; get ready. It is getting to the point where you will be asked to comply with the new world order, receive the mark of the beast so that you can buy and sell, or continue serving God and be killed. The truth is not always comforting, but it is Light.
Personally, I do not agree with what they are doing, but I do not blame them either. They are satan's pawns. Whenever I feel charged about this, I pray for their salvation and repentance. And even though they have done these things to men and women just like me; I would welcome them into my family with open arms; for so is the Will of God. You are right, we are to love our enemies, and only wish them the best.
 
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I agree, and just got finished reading about respecting and submitting to authority in 1st Peter. What I am promoting is the truth, and unless I am mistaken, my main exhortation was for people to think for themselves. We are told to submit to authority, to submit to your husband, to submit to your parents. The gray area is how far we are asked to submit. Would you submit to the government even if they asked you to abandon God and worship money? Or would you agree with your husband(if you're a wife) if he told you to stop reading your bible and become buddhist? What about your parents, if they asked you to lie to others, to purposefully sin so that they can be better off? That's the point I am trying to make. Those who say there is no persecution in America; get ready. It is getting to the point where you will be asked to comply with the new world order, receive the mark of the beast so that you can buy and sell, or continue serving God and be killed. The truth is not always comforting, but it is Light.
Personally, I do not agree with what they are doing, but I do not blame them either. They are satan's pawns. Whenever I feel charged about this, I pray for their salvation and repentance. And even though they have done these things to men and women just like me; I would welcome them into my family with open arms; for so is the Will of God. You are right, we are to love our enemies, and only wish them the best.

This response sounds pretty reasonable, I understand you are concerned about the things to come but Jesus says we should not worry.

Matthew 6:34 "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Romans 14:1 "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters."

Romans 14:2 "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables."

For example some of your earlier posts you were talking about how some things are not for light weight faiths, if you are more advanced then this is good, you should help and assist people.

Galatians 6:2 "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ."

Romans 16:17 "I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them."

1 Corinthians 8:3 "Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall."

Also as the body of Christ we must be united not divided into factions or arguing about debatable topics.

Titus 3:1 "Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,"

Titus 3:2 "to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men."

Goodwill toward men

Titus 3:3 "At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another."

Titus 3:4 "But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,"

Titus 3:5 "he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,"

Matthew 24:36 ""No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

This and the verse Matthew 6:34 I say do not trouble yourself too much on thinking about these things because they can be harmful to us or stress people out too much. Jesus says do not worry, he is our savior, he is the good shepard who watches out for us and even though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will not fear evil. (From Psalm 23)

James 1:27 "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
 
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I thank you for the comfort and understanding. As I have stated in previous posts, it no longer worries me, I know Who is in control. :)
Just wanting to get the Truth out there.
I am not concerned for I know these things must come to pass. I am only concerned with warning my brothers ans sisters; not concerned about what I am warning them about, just that they know the truth.

I believe it to be wrong to know the Truth, and not share that Truth. But as 1st Thessalions say, do not worry for we are not destined for wrath. And when the trumpt sounds to declare the end of the Church Age, the Church will be caught up together in the sky, and there they will ever be with the LORD. Therefor, comfort one another with these words.
 
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And concerning the arrogance that may be coming off from me; I apologize, I do come off as that, I am very passionate about the Truth, and my passion often times appears as arrogance. Also, mispellings, and lack of scripture in my posts is due to me not wanting to spend all day on here.
 
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And concerning the arrogance that may be coming off from me; I apologize, I do come off as that, I am very passionate about the Truth, and my passion often times appears as arrogance. Also, mispellings, and lack of scripture in my posts is due to me not wanting to spend all day on here.

As someone who has always felt rejected and unaccepted by mainstream Christianity, and Christians, I can tell you what we want...we want to be connected with and loved on for who and what we are at our core. I think you understand that, the need to be known and and know others and want to find fellowship in it. So my advice to you is when you talk about these things always keep in mind that not everyone is going to find common ground in any one belief or passion.

If you want to be really super slick about it, turn the table on the topic and start coding blogs (its a lot simpler than it sounds) and wording them so that they attract the people you want to reach. Now that would be slick, and smart. Just make sure you are patient with the people who read you - those who may disagree with your point of view. Love them (us). That's most important.
 
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As someone who has always felt rejected and unaccepted by mainstream Christianity, and Christians, I can tell you what we want...we want to be connected with and loved on for who and what we are at our core. I think you understand that, the need to be known and and know others and want to find fellowship in it. So my advice to you is when you talk about these things always keep in mind that not everyone is going to find common ground in any one belief or passion.

If you want to be really super slick about it, turn the table on the topic and start coding blogs (its a lot simpler than it sounds) and wording them so that they attract the people you want to reach. Now that would be slick, and smart. Just make sure you are patient with the people who read you - those who may disagree with your point of view. Love them (us). That's most important.


You are correct :)
All that really matters is love and acceptance
 
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And concerning the arrogance that may be coming off from me; I apologize, I do come off as that, I am very passionate about the Truth, and my passion often times appears as arrogance. Also, mispellings, and lack of scripture in my posts is due to me not wanting to spend all day on here.

David, spend as much time as it takes ...
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. 25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
As for TRUTH, yes, one needs to think for oneself. One also needs to be aware that much in today's world is turned upside-down -- many lies pass for truth and truth for lies. Good luck on your journey. You will realize that not nearly everything you even now believe to be true, actually is.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


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I do thank you NightHawkeye for your kind words and scripture! For over a year I have left the search for the truth about the world to focus on the truth of God and CHRIST, after hearing many things about Monosodium glutamate, I did a bit of research and that fired it all up for me again. I was on this other forum and the people were bickering and quarelling and it upset me, I told them that we, as children of God, should not bicker. I added my bit to what they said, which was basically the first post of this topic.

I figured these things would not come as a surprise to anyone who believes that tribulation is soon, and understands that this is satan's realm, and therefor a wicked place.

Ultimately; I want to save people from being deceived and overtaken when the time does come, by the truth.

In my discovery of not only the truth about the evil in the world, but the truth about God, I have abandoned myself to Him. I don't live of this world, I desire nothing in this world. I want to go be with God and others that are devoted to Him moreso than I want a house anywhere on earth. I am a stranger here, and only here for a short while; my home is with God. Of course, it is His will for me to be here right now; which I use every moment and opportunity I can, NOT to talk about the things posted here, but to teach people that although there is much darkness in the world, we have light in God. I find so much comfort in telling other people of God's love, about His Grace. I want others to have the hope, companionship, and happiness that I myself have.

Do you understand me a bit better now?

Although you can develope your thoughts so clearly on the computer and through writing, it is a H O R R I B L E way to communicate; you don't know my tone, nor do you know my background or the full picture. You don't know if I am happy, sad, or mad; if I am truly arrogant in person, or is I am humble as can be. Typing covers all of those things. Although I love being able to express myself, such as I can on here, I much prefer voice to voice or face to face conversation. I am misunderstood CONSTANTLY on here. Which, I can't tell you how much patience it takes to not get angry and short with people; and even sometimes it overcomes.
 
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The chemtrails are real and are a research endeavor. They are part of a global effort toward "geoengineering". Their goal is to be in complete control of the weather by 2025.

The chemicals they are using are barium, alluminum and carbon dioxide (ironic, seeing as how they are pushing to reduce carbon emissions) and other chemicals.

When asked if these chemicals affect people, they don't know and don't really seem to care. Their focus is on geoengineering.
I'll find a link.

Here's one: It is the "North American Interstate Weather Modification Council".

http://www.naiwmc.org/4dcgi/GetSubCategoryRecord/Cloud%20Seeding%20Technology/Equipment


The "New World Order" idea is also real. The governments of the world intend to have one global currency under the control of a global bank and oversight by a global governmental body. This is not a conspiracy but an actual goal. Many world leaders have discussed this openly. Medvedev even had a coin in hand at a news conference.

Biblically, the 42 month kingdom of the devil will be a global government, controlling the world. It should be no surprise to anyone that this is coming to fruition now.

Also, biblically, before that devil-controlled 42 month global government can be established, the devil must be in the process and preparation to devour the church. (Revelation12) Then, the devil will be cast down (while the church is snatched up) to empower the prophecied global government and the leader ("Mouth" - Revelation 13) that is appointed to run it.

Art has depicted this in the form of movies which are a kind of "mind control" in that they serve to condition the population to accept violence, war and immorality as normal as well as scenarios where the governments of the world unite to save the planet. Advertising does the same thing. It's no secret. I learned about it in my high school government and economics class.

God is not going to let it go on forever. Just be aware of it and keep looking up. The OP is not paranoid. He sees the truth, as crazy as the truth is these days, it is the truth.
 
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The chemtrails are real and are a research endeavor. They are part of a global effort toward "geoengineering". Their goal is to be in complete control of the weather by 2025.

The chemicals they are using are barium, alluminum and carbon dioxide (ironic, seeing as how they are pushing to reduce carbon emissions) and other chemicals.

When asked if these chemicals affect people, they don't know and don't really seem to care. Their focus is on geoengineering.
I'll find a link.

Here's one: It is the "North American Interstate Weather Modification Council".



The "New World Order" idea is also real. The governments of the world intend to have one global currency under the control of a global bank and oversight by a global governmental body. This is not a conspiracy but an actual goal. Many world leaders have discussed this openly. Medvedev even had a coin in hand at a news conference.

Biblically, the 42 month kingdom of the devil will be a global government, controlling the world. It should be no surprise to anyone that this is coming to fruition now.

Also, biblically, before that devil-controlled 42 month global government can be established, the devil must be in the process and preparation to devour the church. (Revelation12) Then, the devil will be cast down (while the church is snatched up) to empower the prophecied global government and the leader ("Mouth" - Revelation 13) that is appointed to run it.

Art has depicted this in the form of movies which are a kind of "mind control" in that they serve to condition the population to accept violence, war and immorality as normal as well as scenarios where the governments of the world unite to save the planet. Advertising does the same thing. It's no secret. I learned about it in my high school government and economics class.

God is not going to let it go on forever. Just be aware of it and keep looking up. The OP is not paranoid. He sees the truth, as crazy as the truth is these days, it is the truth.


FINALLY! Another Christian can see!!!

THANK GOD!!!!
 
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If you want the truth, I encourage you to google: Chemtrails, ELF towers, MSG, Aspartame, Flouride in water, NWO, Freemasonry and satanic worship, tv lies, tribulation, conspiracy. Don't just read one site, find MANY different sources, compare, and use this general ideal: If tv says it is good, it is bad; if media proclaims it as truth, it is deceit, politicians = liars, president = puppet, life as you know it has been a lie all up until now; question everything.
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Do not disagree with the parts of encouragement to seek God. The part of worring or spending time trying to discern what our government is doing to us as you put it is somewhat wasted. We should know what is going on in the world of flesh and the spirit. If you spend time spiritually with God then He will allow you to be able discern those things of the world flesh that you should avoid. You can divest yourself of worldly fleshly things without spending wasted time on them.
Most of the things you are concerned about are not good for us but we are the only ones who can limit their effects on us and our lives.
We cannot put our heads in the sand or not be responsible citizens as well as responsible Christians.
God is in control of all things of the world including satan. Rely on Him and follow the spiritual discernment that you should have if you are a devote follower of God.
 
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The best way for a Christian to avoid being decieved is knowing that there will not be a single piece of CONCRETE left when Jesus is King over this physical earth. There will not be a single vehicle. Not a single store. Not a single laboratory.

The pinch test is best. Remember that when Messiah, the ONLY Messiah Jesus I should say is come again, there will be no suffering, no pain, no tears, no sorrow, and our bodies will HAVE BEEN TRANSFORMED incorruptible. Pinch yourself. If it hurts, that guy performing all those miracles and calling out for our worship is the a/c.
 
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David, do you have any good links on MSG?
Every time I hear those childhood obesity commercials, I think, "Just stop importing shiploads of msg!" ...and then wonder if there is some economic/political manipulation involved. Or something like the flouride history.

I am aware of the health problems with msg, so you don't need to dig for those.

I am still not convinced about the chemtrail warnings... most of what I have heard is just visual observations and layered suspicions. The msg and flouride warnings have real physiological chemistry involved.
 
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I encourage you to turn off your tv and think for yourself.
But how is encouraging us to google sites on chemtrails, Freemasonry, etc. thinking for ourselves? All you’re really doing is telling us to disregard one form of media that you disagree with in favor of other forms of media that you do agree with. That’s not thinking for ourselves.

If you think people overseas are the threat, you are strongly illusioned, my friend, and the time is now to wake up. Our biggest threat is right here in America; our government.

Their goal is to dumb us down, to produce submission, and to produce in us a mental state of thought process that is in absolute conformity without question to the plans of corporate America and Satan.

They want you weak, they want you blind, they want you ignorant and so distracted that you have not the time nor interest to seek out the Truth.
If the government really wanted those things then why didn’t they just regulate the internet from the very beginning? The internet is exactly the reason why opinions concerning the NWO or 9/11 conspiracies are so prevalent now a days; if it weren’t for web sites and discussion forums, 99% of the population would be completely ignorant of such things. The government could have saved billions of dollars on chemicals and ELF towers simply by blocking certain internet information from reaching the public eye.

Chemtrails (Those 'whispy' white lines, that linger for hours after the passing of a jet plane, that are ALL over our skies; LOOK UP) keep us in a constant state of low-level brain activity, where we are unable to process most high-level thinking. They keep us in a state of submission and daze, in a trance if you will. Paired together with the chemicals in our food and water, and the ELF towers transmitting frequencies waves through the atmosphere every single moment, they have the majority of America in fetters of nearly complete, destructive mind control.
I see no evidence of a national state of submission. Quite the opposite, actually.

This is all in part conditioning the masses to accept and conform to the New World Order being ushered in as you read this. Satan is real, and as you watch your favorite television show, or eat the chemical food you obtained at Walmart, the world governments are preparing you to absolute submission and worship of Satan, and a mind-state that not only submits to your own slavery, but welcomes it.
I devour Walmart food and love watching TV and playing video games on my glorious 52-inch plasma, but I’m no more interested in worshipping Satan than you are. I’m also not interested in a world government.

All opposition will be destroyed, the only ones who will see and perceive what is happening will be the ones who truly know God. America is heading for extreme persecution of the Saints and all those who oppose the Beast System. Revelation is being fulfilled as you read this, for the mark of the beast is already in place and ready to be employed. For those who are serious and devoted to God through Christ, we will be saved from the coming of God's wrath on the world. 1st + 2nd Thessalonians speaks of our salvation from the coming wrath.
Well, I guess we’ll see.

Call on CHRIST, return to God. Repent, believe, and read the Word. Attending church every Sunday will not save you. Grow in God, abandon this world, forsake all that you know and pick up your cross. God is our only way out.
I can agree with you on that.

If you want the truth, I encourage you to google: Chemtrails, ELF towers, MSG, Aspartame, Flouride in water, NWO, Freemasonry and satanic worship, tv lies, tribulation, conspiracy. Don't just read one site, find MANY different sources, compare, and use this general ideal: If tv says it is good, it is bad; if media proclaims it as truth, it is deceit, politicians = liars, president = puppet, life as you know it has been a lie all up until now; question everything.
But isn’t the internet “media”?

In Christ,

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But how is encouraging us to google sites on chemtrails, Freemasonry, etc. thinking for ourselves? All you’re really doing is telling us to disregard one form of media that you disagree with in favor of other forms of media that you do agree with. That’s not thinking for ourselves.

To quote Thomas Jefferson: Jefferson's Religious Beliefs « Thomas Jefferson’s Monticello
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.
David is learning to think for himself, Acts. That, by itself, is a step many people never ever seem to take; preferring instead to blindly accept the ideas of some larger group. Are some of David's conclusions wrong? Yes.

More importantly, some of his conclusions are correct.


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But how is encouraging us to google sites on chemtrails, Freemasonry, etc. thinking for ourselves? All you’re really doing is telling us to disregard one form of media that you disagree with in favor of other forms of media that you do agree with. That’s not thinking for ourselves.


If the government really wanted those things then why didn’t they just regulate the internet from the very beginning? The internet is exactly the reason why opinions concerning the NWO or 9/11 conspiracies are so prevalent now a days; if it weren’t for web sites and discussion forums, 99% of the population would be completely ignorant of such things. The government could have saved billions of dollars on chemicals and ELF towers simply by blocking certain internet information from reaching the public eye.


I see no evidence of a national state of submission. Quite the opposite, actually.


I devour Walmart food and love watching TV and playing video games on my glorious 52-inch plasma, but I’m no more interested in worshipping Satan than you are. I’m also not interested in a world government.


Well, I guess we’ll see.


I can agree with you on that.


But isn’t the internet “media”?

In Christ,

Acts6:5


This is not all a response to you, but just a general response.

- TV is controlled media, internet is free media. On tv, if you don't like fox, you can turn to abc. On the internet, if you don't like one site, you can refer to another site, then you can go to 50 other sites, by different people introducing some new ideas, but connected by a common thread of agreement.

- I Do come off as saying that the gov. lies about everything.; this is not so. Here's an example, radical, but it is an example; the government will be honest and tell you that cancer is on the rise, or obesity; they will not tell you the real reason cancer or obesity is on the rise. They will tell you that we are going to war, they will not tell you the real reason we are going to war. Etc, etc.

- Consider this; God gave you life; He supports your every breath, your every heart beat. Without His hand in your life, you would not have woke up this morning. Therefor; every moment of how you spend the time He gives you is what counts. What you submit to and give even just an hour of your time; is an object of worship. If you are a Christian you should know; If it's not for CHRIST, it's agaisnt CHRIST. Did CHRIST promote tv and video games? "Laying aside all guile, malice, hypocrisies, and evil speakings; desire the sincere milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby." I am not saying I am perfect and don't have my vices; I am saying that you should be focusing on God, instead of watching tv and playing video games on a regular basis: Even He would tell you, and probably tries to tell you that.

I cannot post actual links on here, so I will post most of the link; it's up to you to type what's missing for it to be a link:

youtube.com/watch?v=19zyIG89piI&feature=related (add www)

This one sheds perspective on tv viewing where the majority of America is concerned: youtube.com/watch?
v=7uMMOQwqBHU&feature=related (add www)


educate-yourself.org/ct/ (add http: //)

rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html (add www)

msgtruth.org/ (add www)


youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc&feature=related (add www)

youtube.com/watch?v=SW43Mig1LYE&feature=related (add www)
 
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