How the Ark was ventilated.

[AV1611VET]

Well, I'm not stopping.

WHERE DID ALL THE WATER GO?​

Nor am I.

NEPTUNE -- IN MY OPINION.
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[Mike Elphick]

Nor am I.

NEPTUNE -- IN MY OPINION.
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I know your intent is to increase your post-count, whenever possible. On this occasion your reply is as equally stupid as your posts in the counting-threads you participate in, is totally unfounded in any way, and is posted because you haven't a clue and just can't answer the question.

If you're a hair's breadth from becoming a YECist, please find out what they say about the subject. Neither the "Tardis drain", nor "Neptune" (your two wild guesses) are mentioned. I'm disappointed in you, AV.

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

You might want to track down my profile, while you're at it.

It says:

I like this bit the best

I had a void in my life that only God could fill

Kinda shows your emotional dependence, real shame you had to fill that void with yec manure too.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you're a hair's breadth from becoming a YECist, please find out what they say about the subject. Neither the "Tardis drain", nor "Neptune" (your two wild guesses) are mentioned. I'm disappointed in you, AV.

Fair enough -- then you tell me where it went, Mike.

If you can't, then please don't tell me I'm in error and expect me to take it with any amount of gravity.

And FYI: speculation ≠ wild guessing.

 

[Mike Elphick]

If you're a hair's breadth from becoming a YECist, please find out what they say about the subject. Neither the "Tardis drain", nor "Neptune" (your two wild guesses) are mentioned. I'm disappointed in you, AV.

Fair enough -- then you tell me where it went, Mike.

First of all, there is no evidence that there ever was a global flood, certainly not around 4,000 years ago. Second, all the evidence points to an old Earth with geological features showing a slow and very ancient HISTORY of upheavals, weathering, volcanic activity, continental drift, mountain-building etc. I minored in Geology at university and, although it is a long time ago, have seen for myself the physical evidence for this during field-trips in Scotland (one of the best places in the world for studying the subject).

Flood-believing creationists have a problem explaining where the flood water disappeared to. The most common explanation involves a few months of mountain-building:-

There are a number of Scripture passages that identify the flood waters with the present-day seas (Amos 9:6 and Job 38:8-11 note “waves”). If the waters are still here, why are the highest mountains not still covered with water, as they were in Noah's day? Psalm 104 suggests an answer. After the waters covered the mountains (verse 6), God rebuked them and they fled (verse 7); the mountains rose, the valleys sank down (verse 8) and God set a boundary so that they will never again cover the earth (verse 9). They are the same waters!

Isaiah gives this same statement that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth (Isaiah 54:9). Clearly, what the Bible is telling us is that God acted to alter the earth's topography. New continental landmasses bearing new mountain chains of folded rock strata were uplifted from below the globe-encircling waters that had eroded and leveled the pre-Flood topography, while large deep ocean basin were formed to receive and accommodate the Flood waters that then drained off the emerging continents.
Where did the Genesis Flood waters go? - ChristianAnswers.Net

Of course you know all this, but actually Psalms 104 does not mention mountain-building at all, rather it suggest that God deepened the oceans instead:-

Psalms 104:7-8 (NIV)
But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight; they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them.

If you can't, then please don't tell me I'm in error and expect me to take it with any amount of gravity.

I do believe I have irritated you! Not only are you in error, but I think you know it too!

From my point of view, since all the evidence points to Noah's Flood being local and not global, there is no need to speculate where any water went.

And FYI: speculation ≠ wild guessing.

YECism is speculation, based on what they think the Bible says. Wild guessing is when you don't have a clue, but feel obliged to respond.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Guess again. The land would have to sink more than a bit. The surface area of the earth is 510 million cubic kilometers.
Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Everest is 8,848 meters or 8.85 km high so you will need a little more than 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water to cover the earth to this depth.

The volume of all the water in the oceans is no more than 1.5 billion cubic km.
Volume of Earth's Oceans

If the seafloor were to magically rise all the way to sea level the height of the water over the land would be about 3,000 meters which would leave the tops of all mountains over 10,000 feet well exposed. Nearly 7,000 feet of Mt. Ararat
Mount Ararat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and most of the Armenian Highlands would still be above the level of the water.
Armenian Highland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and of course nearly all of Tibet and many other high plateaus around the world would not have been submerged.

So you need to get another 3 billion cubic km of water from somewhere and somehow have it go back to somewhere after the flood.

You didn't figure in the displacement value of the land above sealevel. Do that and then lets see where we are.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

You didn't figure in the displacement value of the land above sealevel. Do that and then lets see where we are.

Displacement value of the land above sea level? Are you saying that the ocean floor rose far above sea level? How did that work? What provided the energy to lift 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons of ocean crust from an average depth of 4,000 meters to above sea level? Was the mantle stretched with this happened or did the earth expand or what? How did the massive rise in ocean crust occur without making massive earth quakes and huge waves?

 

[Just4Jesus]

The problem of ventilation has been declared one of the insurmountable problems the ark would face by skeptics. They state that it would take modern technology to accomplish this necessary function. Au Contrare. All that was needed was outlet vents for hot, moist air and inlet vents for cool fresh air. The lighter warm air is displaced by heavier cool air discharged at the bottom level of the ark. No need for a degree in HVAC.

 

[Jro]

Perhaps each creature in turn had their own set of bellows and were trained to pump them in shifts.

 

[Belk]

Sorry, Belk -- I messed your post up.

I didn't mean to.

No worries.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Displacement value of the land above sea level? Are you saying that the ocean floor rose far above sea level? How did that work? What provided the energy to lift 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons of ocean crust from an average depth of 4,000 meters to above sea level? Was the mantle stretched with this happened or did the earth expand or what? How did the massive rise in ocean crust occur without making massive earth quakes and huge waves?

What I'm saying is the you didn't figure the displacement value of the land mass already in existance above sea level. Your figures were for the AREA (the 'footprint') of earth AT SEA LEVEL multiplied by 29,000 feet. If you put a brick into a bucket of water filled to the brim water would overflow the bucket by the volume of the brick. Ya gotta figger this in.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I know your intent is to increase your post-count, whenever possible. On this occasion your reply is as equally stupid as your posts in the counting-threads you participate in, is totally unfounded in any way, and is posted because you haven't a clue and just can't answer the question.

Actually, this post is even less useful, since at least his counting posts contribute something to the post before it.

 

[Mike Elphick]

Actually, this post is even less useful, since at least his counting posts contribute something to the post before it.

LOL! I did wonder whether to reply, but got myself in a trap by previously saying "I'm not stopping".

I can see why he says:-

They might laugh, get upset, and/or think I'm crazy; but one thing's for sure -- they stop asking.

If I were AV, I'd be worried by what people might think. Never mind, next time I'll ignore his wild guesses .

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

What I'm saying is the you didn't figure the displacement value of the land mass already in existance above sea level. Your figures were for the AREA (the 'footprint') of earth AT SEA LEVEL multiplied by 29,000 feet. If you put a brick into a bucket of water filled to the brim water would overflow the bucket by the volume of the brick. Ya gotta figger this in.

This can't be a significant factor. Only 29% of the earth surface is land mass and only 24% of that is covered by mountanous terrain so only about 7% of the land mass is high enough above sea level to be of any consequence. You still need approximately 3 times the total volume of the water in the oceans to cover Mt. Everest and you have no way to either get it or get rid of it.

Also, if the ocean crust were all raised to sea level it would have about 3 x 10^26 Joules of potential energy compared to its current depth. That energy would have to come from somewhere and return somewhere to raise and lower the crust during the flood. And of course this would cause massive earthquakes and the water rushing over the land would hardly be the gentle rising water you have claimed.


If you want to say God did it then why not say God also protected the ark with a force field or beamed it to a protected hypespace bubble during the flood and agree with AV that God poofed the excess waters to Neptune after the flood?

 

[Belk]

No, he won't.

He will get a 5 one-syllable words answer: God cleaned up the mess.

Only if he refuses to accept that and pursues the matter further, will he get more.

That is right. Once someone says "Wait, that doesn't match the data we find. Why is that?" the ad hoc rationalizations and cases of special pleading start to mount .

 

[Nathan Poe]

LOL! I did wonder whether to reply, but got myself in a trap by previously saying "I'm not stopping".

I can see why he says:-



If I were AV, I'd be worried by what people might think. Never mind, next time I'll ignore his wild guesses .

Well, if my diagnosis of AV is correct, he doesn' care what people think about him -- as long as they think about him.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is right. Once someone says "Wait, that doesn't match the data we find. Why is that?" the ad hoc rationalizations and cases of special pleading start to mount .

I see.

So not only do you guys have evidence the Flood didn't occur -- (that is, evidence of a negative) -- you have evidence that God didn't clean up the mess left behind?

In other words, you have evidence that God didn't clean up a mess left behind by an event that didn't occur?

(Today's science at its best.)

 

[Freodin]

I see.

So not only do you guys have evidence the Flood didn't occur -- (that is, evidence of a negative) -- you have evidence that God didn't clean up the mess left behind?

In other words, you have evidence that God didn't clean up a mess left behind by an event that didn't occur?

(Today's science at its best.)

I fact, yes. There is a lot of "mess" left behind by all kinds of events, from ages long before your hypothetical flood.

Of course, this doesn´t mean that God didn´t clean up that specific mess that this specific flood left. But it would mean that God cleaning up mess implies creating new mess, not-quite-left-behind by other events that did not happen.

If you clean up your house, because you spilled wine on your carpet... by making it look like a hurricane went through it... one would have to ask about your sense of "cleaning up".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This can't be a significant factor. Only 29% of the earth surface is land mass and only 24% of that is covered by mountanous terrain so only about 7% of the land mass is high enough above sea level to be of any consequence. You still need approximately 3 times the total volume of the water in the oceans to cover Mt. Everest and you have no way to either get it or get rid of it.

Also, if the ocean crust were all raised to sea level it would have about 3 x 10^26 Joules of potential energy compared to its current depth. That energy would have to come from somewhere and return somewhere to raise and lower the crust during the flood. And of course this would cause massive earthquakes and the water rushing over the land would hardly be the gentle rising water you have claimed.

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Do we actually know how much water is in the seas? Also, I said before that the floodwater doesn't have to be even as high as the highest peak. All it has to do is cover it at some point in the event. A surge or swell from levels well below the peak could cover it momentarily, fulfilling the baptism type (which it certainly was). Also, like a volcano's lava dome the seafloor may have been lifted up but not ruptured widely. At the same time a corresponding sinking of the continents may have occured, as when you sqeeze a balloon in the middle the ends bulge out. Or there also may have been an enormous power surge within the earth resulting from a giant 'meteor' strike that changed the earth's shape. After all the earth is slightly out of kilter both in axis and orbit which means it might have been smacked by something in the past.

 

[AV1611VET]

Also, I said before that the floodwater doesn't have to be even as high as the highest peak.

I've offered a couple of speculations of my own:

1. God gently squeezed the earth, causing the oceans to rise dramatically.
2. God offset the volume of water in the oceans, like someone putting his finger in a glass of water, causing the oceans to rise dramatically.