How the Ark was ventilated.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Many elements of stories contain frequent recapitulations by the author. It's a style of writing. Also, I'm an OEC, not a YEC. The mountains are ancient.

So then you need 29,000 feet of global water. I calculate that it amounts to about 11 billion cubic miles of water. Where did it come from and where did it go? More relevant to this thread, how did it arrive and leave without wind or tubulence?
Added in Edit: Actually you need 1.1 billion cubic miles of water or 4.5 billion cubic kilometers.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

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We don't need to find it -- we already believe it by faith...

Although I call BS on HMS Arkehood for reasons of physics, engineering and forestry, I find nothing to debate VET with. He asserts it as a matter of faith, and what is there to debate? He's not -- so far as I can tell -- arguing that Noah Shipyards could have built ze Arkmarck except as a miracle, he's not making ad hoc or special pleading arguments so his answer is completely honest and consistent.

I don't agree with him that a literal SS Arkitania is necessary for the Christian faith because there's nothing in the faith that requires a literal RMS Arktanic.

But here's the key thing, although he certainly hates science, his position on SS Arkeadoria does not put him in opposition to physicists, engineers and foresters.

 

[Belk]

You might want to track down my profile, while you're at it.

It says:

Then quite whining when no one buys your ad hoc explanations. You can't be bothered to support your own arguments with physical evidence don't cry when we do so and people believe us.

 

[Belk]

Although I call BS on HMS Arkehood for reasons of physics, engineering and forestry, I find nothing to debate VET with. He asserts it as a matter of faith, and what is there to debate? He's not -- so far as I can tell -- arguing that Noah Shipyards could have built ze Arkmarck except as a miracle, he's not making ad hoc or special pleading arguments so his answer is completely honest and consistent.

I don't agree with him that a literal SS Arkitania is necessary for the Christian faith because there's nothing in the faith that requires a literal RMS Arktanic.

But here's the key thing, although he certainly hates science, his position on SS Arkeadoria does not put him in opposition to physicists, engineers and foresters.

Ask him why there is no physical evidence for a global flood and you will be up to your ears in ad hoc special pleading.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Ask him why there is no physical evidence for a global flood and you will be up to your ears in ad hoc special pleading.

VET?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

So then you need 29,000 feet of global water. I calculate that it amounts to about 11 billion cubic miles of water. Where did it come from and where did it go? More relevant to this thread, how did it arrive and leave without wind or tubulence?

I'm guessing a rise in the sea floor that spilled the oceans onto the land. Much of the land would have to sink a bit as well as the earth 'egged' out. The movement would only have to be slight; the thickness of several sheets of paper on a twelve inch globe. Also all it would take was one monster surge to cover Mt.Everest. The water didn't have to stand over it. The baptism type would be complete if the whole earth were under the water if only for a moment. When the sea floor settled back down the water returned to the seabeds where it came from.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

I'm guessing....

Yeah, that's the problem.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then quite whining when no one buys your ad hoc explanations.

I don't care if you buy my ad hoc explanations or not.

I've said over and over and over that you get what you deserve: an ad hoc answer to an ad hoc question.

If you don't like ad hoc answers -- don't ask ad hoc questions.

You can't be bothered to support your own arguments with physical evidence don't cry when we do so and people believe us.

I'm not crying, but seeing basic doctrine and supposition met with ridicule is getting old.

You get what you ask for -- (from me, anyway) -- then you guys either whine, ridicule or laugh about it.

 

[AV1611VET]

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[AV1611VET]

Sorry, Belk -- I messed your post up.

I didn't mean to.

 

[AV1611VET]

VET?

What?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ask him why there is no physical evidence for a global flood and you will be up to your ears in ad hoc special pleading.

No, he won't.

He will get a 5 one-syllable words answer: God cleaned up the mess.

Only if he refuses to accept that and pursues the matter further, will he get more.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, he won't.

He will get a 5 one-syllable words answer: God cleaned up the mess.

Only if he refuses to accept that and pursues the matter further, will he get more.

More ad hoc? Why pile it on?

 

[AV1611VET]

More ad hoc? Why pile it on?

Like I say: ask ad hoc, answer ad hoc.

 

[Freodin]

Like I say: ask ad hoc, answer ad hoc.

But you are aware that there is no such thing as an "ad hoc question"?

No, sorry, I have to phrase that differently...

You ridicule the basic doctrine that there isn´t such a thing as ad hoc questions!

 

[AV1611VET]

But you are aware that there is no such thing as an "ad hoc question"?

No, sorry, I have to phrase that differently...

You ridicule the basic doctrine that there isn´t such a thing as ad hoc questions!

I am -- but like I say, when you guys ask questions that you know aren't covered by the Scriptures, then you should respect our suppositions.

By way of example, if someone pins me down and demands I explain where the Flood water went, I'm going to acquiesce and tell them I think it went to Neptune -- (which I do).

They might laugh, get upset, and/or think I'm crazy; but one thing's for sure -- they stop asking.

I'm not afraid to speak my mind in the area of supposition.

I've had more than one person here tell me they have left their church (and Christianity) because they had questions their pastors' couldn't answer.

I'm not that way.

I'll give you something to go on -- even if it seems far-fetched.

And since most of you guys think Jesus walking on water was far-fetched, I don't mind giving 'far-fetched answers', because no matter how we answer; whether with a Bible verse, basic doctrine, or supposition -- at least someone won't buy it.

 

[Mike Elphick]

Many elements of stories contain frequent recapitulations by the author. It's a style of writing.

Funny you should say that. Whilst recapitulation is certainly a feature of many OT texts, it's actually from the style of writing that one can tell there are two separate Flood accounts woven together. See Documentary Hypothesis

Also, I'm an OEC, not a YEC. The mountains are ancient.

So where did all the water go, owg?

 

[AV1611VET]

So where did all the water go, owg?

Down the Tardis drain?

 

[Mike Elphick]

So where did all the water go, owg?

Down the Tardis drain?

Really AV! I'm trying to be serious, whilst you are acting less than grown up.

I'll give you something to go on -- even if it seems far-fetched.

By way of example, if someone pins me down and demands I explain where the Flood water went, I'm going to acquiesce and tell them I think it went to Neptune -- (which I do).

They might laugh, get upset, and/or think I'm crazy; but one thing's for sure -- they stop asking.

You reply this way because you're incapable of thinking about the questions let alone answering them and simply want them to go away.

Well, I'm not stopping.

WHERE DID ALL THE WATER GO?​

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I'm guessing a rise in the sea floor that spilled the oceans onto the land. Much of the land would have to sink a bit as well as the earth 'egged' out. The movement would only have to be slight; the thickness of several sheets of paper on a twelve inch globe. Also all it would take was one monster surge to cover Mt.Everest. The water didn't have to stand over it. The baptism type would be complete if the whole earth were under the water if only for a moment. When the sea floor settled back down the water returned to the seabeds where it came from.

Guess again. The land would have to sink more than a bit. The surface area of the earth is 510 million cubic kilometers.
Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Everest is 8,848 meters or 8.85 km high so you will need a little more than 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water to cover the earth to this depth.

The volume of all the water in the oceans is no more than 1.5 billion cubic km.
Volume of Earth's Oceans

If the seafloor were to magically rise all the way to sea level the height of the water over the land would be about 3,000 meters which would leave the tops of all mountains over 10,000 feet well exposed. Nearly 7,000 feet of Mt. Ararat
Mount Ararat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and most of the Armenian Highlands would still be above the level of the water.
Armenian Highland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and of course nearly all of Tibet and many other high plateaus around the world would not have been submerged.

So you need to get another 3 billion cubic km of water from somewhere and somehow have it go back to somewhere after the flood.