Gays And Lesbians Concerned About America's Survival

[Nathan Poe]

I see you have absolutely no understanding of the world other than your excruciatingly simple-minded liberal stereotypes. Yes, I have gay friends and family members who are very important to me, while your experince is what...shaking hands with a gay man once in a super market?

My experience is that liberals, while arrogant and self righteous, are extraordinarily limited in experience and thought processes.

What you try to pass off as "experience," the rest of us call an excruciatingly simple-minded stereotype.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[brindisi]

What you try to pass off as "experience," the rest of us call an excruciatingly simple-minded stereotype.
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Oh Nathan, I would have expected nothing less from you. Once again, just a very fleeting acquaintance with reality. Through a glass darkly might be a step up.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

My experience is that liberals, while arrogant and self righteous, are extraordinarily limited in experience and thought processes

Well, then your experience of liberals must be extraordinarily limited in experience and thought processes. It's kinda funny actually... you're basing this a lot on your experience of liberals and your experience of gays, and then claiming that you have more experience of gays than some other people on here, liberals included. Can't you see that you're guilty of that which you accuse others of?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Oh Nathan, I would have expected nothing less from you.

And for a fleeting moment, I was expecting something more from you.

Alas, the moment seems to have passed.

 

[brindisi]

And for a fleeting moment, I was expecting something more from you.

Alas, the moment seems to have passed.

Probably just gas.

 

[Staccato]

No one should ever be ridiculed for holding views other than what a larger society thninks it's appropriate for him to hold.

And then:

My experience is that liberals, while arrogant and self righteous, are extraordinarily limited in experience and thought processes.

Did you miss my earlier reply, the one showing that Republican/Conservative is larger percentage than Democrat/Liberal? I thought you put your confidence in numbers. Well?

liberals need to be goaded about their ridiculous stereotypical thinking.

you're talking the talking points of the liberal past.

Or because they recognize the REAL threat to America: Liberalism.

Apparently some liberals are still stuck in their comfortable, self-serving stereotypes.

Gosh, looky here! Liberals/Democrats aren't as popular as they think. Since you seem to be impressed by how most people feel about politics, this should be news for you, and you know what? Most people aren't liberal.

Oh my. You say that people should not mock others' views just because they are 'unpopular', using the alledged attack on the views of gay conservatives as 'inappropriate' as an example. But you do this whilst openly mocking liberalism, calling it a danger to America, and crowing on about how conservatism is apparently more popular.

You worked so hard to try and build up that moral high ground, but at the end of the day you're just another partisan, aren't you? Why do you push the notion we should hold the views someone who happens to be both gay and conservative sacrosanct, to be protected from argument, ridicule or question, when you show no such courtesy to anybody else?

 

[brindisi]

You worked so hard to try and build up that moral high ground, but at the end of the day you're just another partisan, aren't you? Why do you push the notion we should hold the views someone who happens to be both gay and conservative sacrosanct, to be protected from argument, ridicule or question, when you show no such courtesy to anybody else?

Why bother

 

[SithDoughnut]

Why bother

How Christian of you.

 

[brindisi]

How Christian of you.

Just not worth replying. Liberals are like black flies: a pain in the neck but not worth getting excited about.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Liberals are like black flies: a pain in the neck but not worth getting excited about.

I see you have absolutely no understanding of the world other than your excruciatingly simple-minded liberal stereotypes.

liberals, while arrogant and self righteous, are extraordinarily limited in experience and thought processes

liberals need to be goaded about their ridiculous stereotypical thinking.

Apparently some liberals are still stuck in their comfortable, self-serving stereotypes.

Of course. Why bother with hypocrisy?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Just not worth replying. Liberals are like black flies: a pain in the neck but not worth getting excited about.

What an(other) excruciatingly simple-minded stereotype.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Just not worth replying. Liberals are like black flies: a pain in the neck but not worth getting excited about.

And yet you replied. It would appear that your main purpose here is to be some kind of politically themed troll, seeing as I've never seen you post anything that isn't an insult in some way. Chances are you're a liberal yourself trying to create a right-wing strawman.

 

[brindisi]

And yet you replied. It would appear that your main purpose here is to be some kind of politically themed troll, seeing as I've never seen you post anything that isn't an insult in some way. Chances are you're a liberal yourself trying to create a right-wing strawman.

Many are insults, most are not. You've chosen to see only what you want, but your point is not entirely unfounded. Perhaps I should avoid the political threads, at least on what have been difficult days.

 

[Staccato]

Why bother

You want a double standard, it's as simple as that. Sorry if that is now too obvious for you to 'bother' attempting to argue your way out of.

Just not worth replying. Liberals are like black flies: a pain in the neck but not worth getting excited about.

Thanks for once again proving your intellectual and moral superiority.

Many are insults, most are not. You've chosen to see only what you want, but your point is not entirely unfounded. Perhaps I should avoid the political threads, at least on what have been difficult days.

None of them should be insults: we're supposed to be adults here. If you can only "debate" by falling back on trite and offensive stereotypes the likes of which you rail against, then perhaps you should avoid serious discussion altogether for a while to think about why. Just a suggestion.

 

[brindisi]

You want a double standard, it's as simple as that. Sorry if that is now too obvious for you to 'bother' attempting to argue your way out of.

Thanks for once again proving your intellectual and moral superiority.

None of them should be insults: we're supposed to be adults here. If you can only "debate" by falling back on trite and offensive stereotypes the likes of which you rail against, then perhaps you should avoid serious discussion altogether for a while to think about why. Just a suggestion.

Call it whatever standard you want. When liberals give up their attempts to intimidate people through their political correctness mentality, then I'll show respect, not before.

Just for you, comments by conservative gays:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/22/republicans-us-politics
“On being out, proud and conservative. My left-liberal experience was of intolerance if you dared challenge political correctness. The right is more accepting.”

“The real story of bigotry and intolerance is the fact that it lives and thrives on the left. As a gay woman who spent most of her adult life pushing the cart for liberal causes with liberal friends in a liberal city, I found that sexism, racism and homophobia are staples in the liberal world. The huge irony is liberals spend every ounce of energy promoting the notion that they are the banner carriers of individualism and personal freedom, yet the hammer comes down on anyone who dares not to conform to, or who dissents even in part from, the liberal agenda.”



http://theothermccain.com/2010/08/25/the-fools-that-bring-disaster/
“There is nothing new under the sun, you see. There were gay people working for Republicans in 1967 and there are gay people working for Republicans today. What has changed is that gay-rights activists have turned sexuality into an identity-politics racket, so that any gay person who doesn’t share their agenda is made to feel inauthentic, a traitor to The Cause. And, as Marc Ambinder explains in his report at The Atlantic, this is now being used as a “wedge issue” by the Left:”

http://gayconservative.org/2010/10/04/living-up-to-the-conservative-reputation/
That said, the reason behind many gay and lesbian liberals believing I am a traitor is the base claim of hate from conservatives. Democrats are our friends, they tell me. They’re looking out for us. Republicans are hatemongering bigots who would have us rounded up and put in concentration camps and order us to be executed if they had their way, they say. I and others like me have long contended that this is a hysterical myth. All of us here at gayconservative.org have gotten more hatred from fellow gays and lesbians and their straight liberal counterparts than we ever have from fellow conservatives, and that is a sad fact.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/08/15/the-assumption-that-to-be-a-good-gay-you-have-to-lean-left/
Now, I would put the word, “freedom,” above in quotation marks for the primary reason that, as Engler put its, it’s just an illusion. Some activists seem to assume that “coming out” means we need not only be open and honest about our emotional/sexual inclinations, but adopt a worldview that accords with leftist principles, hence, the assumption that a gay Republican is, by definition, self-hating.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/06/01/goproud-stands-up-againstleftist-attacks-on-congressman-djou/
For the radical secular-socialist gay community, any conservative is automatically labeled as “anti-gay” — he or she has to be or it threatens the GayBorg’s brainwash of gay and lesbian Americans.
I’m glad Jimmy has stood up for Djou specifically, but also challenged the childish notion that unless you are a liberal — you are automatically an “anti-gay bigot”.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/04/18/a-challenge-to-those-who-use-the-self-hating-slur/
For about as long as I have been out in gay circles as a conservative, I’ve been attacked by gay leftists for being self-hating. Or for being the equivalent of a Jewish Nazi. Or a black Klansman.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/04/08/expected-to-think-a-certain-way-cause-were-gay/
About the “Uncle Tom” slur hurled at African-American Tea Party protesters, James Taranto writes:
No white American today suffers the indignity of being labeled a “traitor” to his race; the supposedly liberal assumption is that blacks, and only blacks, are expected to think a certain way because of the color of their skin.

Sound familiar? To gay conservatives, it should. Seems, at one point or another, we’ve all encountered the supposedly liberal assumption that gay people are expected to think a certain way because of our sexual orientation.

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Comments on gaypatriot's 2010/04/08 post:

”I’ve been Conservative-minded all my life and a Christian most of it. I’ve been gay/open about the last 7 (I’m 45yo) and if I had a nickel for every time I’ve been called “self-loather, self-hater, political queer killer, ignorant, traitor” and the like…
or for every time I’ve been told that Republicans/Conservatives mean to round us gays up and put us on islands, kill us, etc… I could afford to have someone read, post and share this blog with me every morning at my villas on Anguilla, Dubai or Little Torch Key.
Yet, while I’m comforted the island roundup scenario isn’t coming from the heart of live-and-let-live “righties”…I cringe knowing the Democrats have gotten away with stealing the minds and hearts of many gay supporters by simply SAYING they love, support and defend our rights, positions and concerns and not by DOING anything toward those ends.”
Comment by rodney — April 8, 2010



Living in New York City’s Village (I am in the East Village, not the West), I have seen first hand how gays and lesbians are ostracized for not having group think. I would tend to be circumspect a bit about my sexuality in many conservative circles, because being gay–no matter how conservative your politics are–raises many an eyebrow. I really don’t have a fundamental need to be a publicly political homosexual–even though I love politics and world affairs etc etc—rather than vogueing at some disco (a little too old for that regardless). I am far more than what or who I am sexually attracted to—so puhleeze Louise—don’t fence me in.
Comment by Brooklyn Dave — April 8, 2010

“I’ve found more acceptance from the very straight conservatives who are supposed to be so mean than I ever have from most “progressives.” I have actually taken to asking leftists, when they try to use fear to keep me on the plantation, “What are you trying to achieve by making me afraid?”
They never know how to answer that question. Whether it makes them think about it or not is entirely up to them.”
Comment by Lori Heine — April 8, 2010

 

[SOAD]

Many are insults, most are not. You've chosen to see only what you want, but your point is not entirely unfounded. Perhaps I should avoid the political threads, at least on what have been difficult days.

We've already been through this, and you said you were going to leave the forum. You did not leave as you claimed you would.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Call it whatever standard you want. When liberals give up their attempts to intimidate people through their political correctness mentality, then I'll show respect, not before.

Just for you, comments by conservative gays:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/22/republicans-us-politics
“On being out, proud and conservative. My left-liberal experience was of intolerance if you dared challenge political correctness. The right is more accepting.”

“The real story of bigotry and intolerance is the fact that it lives and thrives on the left. As a gay woman who spent most of her adult life pushing the cart for liberal causes with liberal friends in a liberal city, I found that sexism, racism and homophobia are staples in the liberal world. The huge irony is liberals spend every ounce of energy promoting the notion that they are the banner carriers of individualism and personal freedom, yet the hammer comes down on anyone who dares not to conform to, or who dissents even in part from, the liberal agenda.”



http://theothermccain.com/2010/08/25/the-fools-that-bring-disaster/
“There is nothing new under the sun, you see. There were gay people working for Republicans in 1967 and there are gay people working for Republicans today. What has changed is that gay-rights activists have turned sexuality into an identity-politics racket, so that any gay person who doesn’t share their agenda is made to feel inauthentic, a traitor to The Cause. And, as Marc Ambinder explains in his report at The Atlantic, this is now being used as a “wedge issue” by the Left:”

http://gayconservative.org/2010/10/04/living-up-to-the-conservative-reputation/
That said, the reason behind many gay and lesbian liberals believing I am a traitor is the base claim of hate from conservatives. Democrats are our friends, they tell me. They’re looking out for us. Republicans are hatemongering bigots who would have us rounded up and put in concentration camps and order us to be executed if they had their way, they say. I and others like me have long contended that this is a hysterical myth. All of us here at gayconservative.org have gotten more hatred from fellow gays and lesbians and their straight liberal counterparts than we ever have from fellow conservatives, and that is a sad fact.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/08/15/the-assumption-that-to-be-a-good-gay-you-have-to-lean-left/
Now, I would put the word, “freedom,” above in quotation marks for the primary reason that, as Engler put its, it’s just an illusion. Some activists seem to assume that “coming out” means we need not only be open and honest about our emotional/sexual inclinations, but adopt a worldview that accords with leftist principles, hence, the assumption that a gay Republican is, by definition, self-hating.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/06/01/goproud-stands-up-againstleftist-attacks-on-congressman-djou/
For the radical secular-socialist gay community, any conservative is automatically labeled as “anti-gay” — he or she has to be or it threatens the GayBorg’s brainwash of gay and lesbian Americans.
I’m glad Jimmy has stood up for Djou specifically, but also challenged the childish notion that unless you are a liberal — you are automatically an “anti-gay bigot”.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/04/18/a-challenge-to-those-who-use-the-self-hating-slur/
For about as long as I have been out in gay circles as a conservative, I’ve been attacked by gay leftists for being self-hating. Or for being the equivalent of a Jewish Nazi. Or a black Klansman.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2010/04/08/expected-to-think-a-certain-way-cause-were-gay/
About the “Uncle Tom” slur hurled at African-American Tea Party protesters, James Taranto writes:
No white American today suffers the indignity of being labeled a “traitor” to his race; the supposedly liberal assumption is that blacks, and only blacks, are expected to think a certain way because of the color of their skin.

Sound familiar? To gay conservatives, it should. Seems, at one point or another, we’ve all encountered the supposedly liberal assumption that gay people are expected to think a certain way because of our sexual orientation.

___________________________________________________________

Comments on gaypatriot's 2010/04/08 post:

”I’ve been Conservative-minded all my life and a Christian most of it. I’ve been gay/open about the last 7 (I’m 45yo) and if I had a nickel for every time I’ve been called “self-loather, self-hater, political queer killer, ignorant, traitor” and the like…
or for every time I’ve been told that Republicans/Conservatives mean to round us gays up and put us on islands, kill us, etc… I could afford to have someone read, post and share this blog with me every morning at my villas on Anguilla, Dubai or Little Torch Key.
Yet, while I’m comforted the island roundup scenario isn’t coming from the heart of live-and-let-live “righties”…I cringe knowing the Democrats have gotten away with stealing the minds and hearts of many gay supporters by simply SAYING they love, support and defend our rights, positions and concerns and not by DOING anything toward those ends.”
Comment by rodney — April 8, 2010



Living in New York City’s Village (I am in the East Village, not the West), I have seen first hand how gays and lesbians are ostracized for not having group think. I would tend to be circumspect a bit about my sexuality in many conservative circles, because being gay–no matter how conservative your politics are–raises many an eyebrow. I really don’t have a fundamental need to be a publicly political homosexual–even though I love politics and world affairs etc etc—rather than vogueing at some disco (a little too old for that regardless). I am far more than what or who I am sexually attracted to—so puhleeze Louise—don’t fence me in.
Comment by Brooklyn Dave — April 8, 2010

“I’ve found more acceptance from the very straight conservatives who are supposed to be so mean than I ever have from most “progressives.” I have actually taken to asking leftists, when they try to use fear to keep me on the plantation, “What are you trying to achieve by making me afraid?”
They never know how to answer that question. Whether it makes them think about it or not is entirely up to them.”
Comment by Lori Heine — April 8, 2010

Why bother. Just not worth replying to the double-standard.

 

[brindisi]

Why bother. Just not worth replying to the double-standard.

Change of mind.

Liberals are so totally immersed in their creation of the politically correct culture of intimidation that they don't even recognize that there is anythig wrong about it. Just as my black congregation describes the all too common attitude of our majority white society "What, what...what's the matter? We're not prejudice!" liberals have created the very same environment for groups they want to control with political correctness. And they are just clueless in being able to recognize it.

And I will continue to point it out, no matter how offended liberals become.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Change of mind.

Liberals are so totally immersed in their creation of the politically correct culture of intimidation that they don't even recognize that there is anythig wrong about it. Just as my black congregation describes the all too common attitude of our majority white society "What, what...what's the matter? We're not prejudice!" liberals have created the very same environment for groups they want to control with political correctness. And they are just clueless in being able to recognize it.

And I will continue to point it out, no matter how offended liberals become.

Don't worry about offending anyone. After that double-standard, no-one's taking you seriously.

 

[Staccato]

Call it whatever standard you want. When liberals give up their attempts to intimidate people through their political correctness mentality, then I'll show respect, not before.

Sweeping generalisation as usual: from what I've read from you on this board, I doubt you'd show a liberal a modicum of respect in any circumstance. Not that this will stop you demanding respect from them for your views.

Just for you, comments by conservative gays:

*snip*

Point? I'm not doubting the existence of gay conservatives, nor am I doubting that some of them have had negative experiences with liberals. But just because they're gay doesn't mean they can't be engaging in spurious stereotypes or be flat-out wrong, and it doesn't mean we should back off criticism of their arguments where we find flaws or have questions. Their views and outlook are as subject to criticism as mine or your's. If someone suggested that people should refrain from engaging with my arguments in case they hit a sore points I wouldn't be thankful towards them, I'd be insulted. Having allegations of being 'self-hating' thrown at you is no worse, and perhaps a lot better, than several of the insults you have directed at liberals in this very thread, but I for one am not crying foul and demanding special protection from conservative bullying. You, however, feel perfectly justified in demanding that liberals stop with their 'PC intimidation'.

Pull out the plank in your own eye, for goodness sake, or risk damaging the cause you claim to serve.