Gays And Lesbians Concerned About America's Survival

[brindisi]

This gay man gets it. Notice the three core principles of the Tea Party Movement mentioned in the article - fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets - something liberals and establishment Republicans refuse to understand.



We’ve been witnessing this first-hand since dawn of Tea Party movement

B. Daniel Blatt, From a letter to the editor in the Washington Post, “The Tea Party’s brew includes gays and lesbians“:

Mr. Meyerson assumes that gay Americans are politically myopic. National exit polls for the November election showed that 31 percent of voters who identified themselves as gay voted for Republican candidates in House races.

Liberals would like to believe they own the gay vote, as if gays were a monolithic voting bloc whose sole, overriding concern is gay marriage and the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Gays are heads of families, professionals and business owners, and issues such as national security, sane economic policy and halting the rapid growth and overreach of government rank far ahead of gay issues for many, though the importance of gay issues can’t be discounted.

The Tea Party movement has three core principles: Fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets. While individual Tea Partyers may embrace a wide range of views on social issues, the movement has risen to power because it has formed around this very narrow range of principles most critical to the survival of our nation at this precise moment in history.
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"The letter’s author Doug Mainwaring may not be a GayPatriot reader, but he sure does sound like one! Seems more and more of us freedom-loving gay folk are speaking out!"

 

[MichaelHelp]

No voting group votes 100% for one party. You think it's surprising to find homosexuals among the tea party ranks? Look long enough and you will also find someone who is African-American, someone who is Hispanic, someone who is Muslim, someone who is Jewish, someone who is Asian, etc... but the majority of those groups vote Democratic.

I admit getting 31% of the homosexual vote for the Republicans is good, that means just under 1 out of 3 homosexuals who voted voted Republican. That also means that the other 60%+... well didn't. As for your headline "Gays And Lesbians Concerned About America's Survival" i have to agree... that is why the voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party

 

[brindisi]

As for your headline "Gays And Lesbians Concerned About America's Survival" i have to agree... that is why the voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic Party

Perhaps you should log on to gaypatriot.net and explain to them why they are wrong and you're right. I'm sure they'll be impressed by your logic...or not.

Maybe you'll even learn something.

 

[DaisyDay]

Perhaps you should log on to gaypatriot.net and explain to them why they are wrong and you're right. I'm sure they'll be impressed by your logic...or not.

Maybe you'll even learn something.

You know, he didn't say they were wrong, he said it's not surprising.

He also said that more LGBT people on exit polls said they voted Democratic than Republican - that also is NOT saying that the ones who did vote R are wrong. So where do you get that from?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Are we meant to be shocked by the fact that some gay people happen to be conservative? There is an interesting play of rhetoric going on here, at least superficially. On the one hand, it is claimed that liberals don't 'own' the gay label. Evidence: the existence of gay conservatives. On the other hand, it seems - at least from the way that some conservatives speak - that they believe they (and they alone) do in fact own the patriot label.

 

[DaisyDay]

There's been a gay conservative character on Doonesbury for decades. It's not a new concept.

 

[blueapplepaste]

I'd say probably about half of my close gay friends are actually quite conservative, at least from a fiscal stand point. They just vote Democratic because they can't bring themselves to vote for a party who (on the whole) views them as 2nd class citizens.

So its not surprising in the least that there are some gays who are voting Republican.

 

[Goodtry]

You can always find a certain percentage of any minority who will vote against their own best interests. It is similar to Stockholm Syndrome or high school popularity contests. In the case of Gays and Lesbians there are about 25-30% for whom economic and security issues trump even their right to equality on their list of political priorities. Its not surprising then that they'll listen to any voice that promises Jobs and "Wars on terror", even if that voice insists on using the law to persecute them as the Republican party does. Illogical? Very, but who ever said the human race was logical?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Are there more than 10% of Americans who wouldn't agree with "Fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets" in principle? Hell, I agree with that in principle, and I'm pretty far left, by US standards at least. It seems to me the Tea Party is a loose association of 35% libertarians and gay fiscal conservatives on one hand and 65% socially conservative Beck-watching Republicans who also happen to be fiscal conservatives on the other. I think they get along with each other for the time being because, lacking anybody in power, they didn't have to make any ideological choices yet, but they eventually will have to face this internal division.

 

[MichaelHelp]

Perhaps you should log on to gaypatriot.net and explain to them why they are wrong and you're right. I'm sure they'll be impressed by your logic...or not.

Maybe you'll even learn something.

i'm not one to tell the homosexual community how to think. Apparently you think you are and i let the voters speak for themselves

Republican 31%
Democrat 60%+

Don't even think about saying the GOP gets high support from homosexuals because the facts rip apart and tear down that argument.

Nice Try, and if you try again you will fall on your face again

 

[brindisi]

There's been a gay conservative character on Doonesbury for decades. It's not a new concept.

And conservative gays when I was coming of age in the 60s. Certainly not a new concept. But one that liberals still rant against and try to marginalize.

 

[brindisi]

You can always find a certain percentage of any minority who will vote against their own best interests. It is similar to Stockholm Syndrome or high school popularity contests. In the case of Gays and Lesbians there are about 25-30% for whom economic and security issues trump even their right to equality on their list of political priorities. Its not surprising then that they'll listen to any voice that promises Jobs and "Wars on terror", even if that voice insists on using the law to persecute them as the Republican party does. Illogical? Very, but who ever said the human race was logical?

Wow, you must be very bright and enlightened to decide for others what is in their best interest!

Did it ever occur to you that they can decide for themselves, and that you should respect that?

 

[variant]

And conservative gays when I was coming of age in the 60s. Certainly not a new concept. But one that liberals still rant against and try to marginalize.

Right, it's liberals that try to marginalize homosexuals.

The fact that you crow about getting 30% of a demographic to vote for the party you like tells us all we need to know about the subject.

 

[brindisi]

I think they get along with each other for the time being because, lacking anybody in power, they didn't have to make any ideological choices yet, but they eventually will have to face this internal division.

Or because they recognize the REAL threat to America: Liberalism. Maybe you should face your own internal divisions and leave conservativism to those who understand it.

 

[variant]

Or because they recognize the REAL threat to America: Liberalism. Maybe you should face your own internal divisions and leave conservativism to those who understand it.

Isn't it interesting that you berate liberals for speaking for homosexuals and yet you seem to have no problem speaking for them yourself?

Do you think that everyone who votes republican would agree with your statement that liberals are a threat to America? Because I find that assertion rather odd.

 

[brindisi]

i'm not one to tell the homosexual community how to think. Apparently you think you are and i let the voters speak for themselves

Republican 31%
Democrat 60%+

Don't even think about saying the GOP gets high support from homosexuals because the facts rip apart and tear down that argument.

Nice Try, and if you try again you will fall on your face again

"Don't even think about saying the GOP gets high support from homosexuals ..."

If you think that's what I'm saying, you haven't understood me - limited vision seems endemic to liberals -, or the conservatives on gaypatriot. We're saying that there are principles that transcend gay issues. Conservative gays, who actual think about matters of importance, rather than happily riding along on emotiions, understand that, and I do too. Apparently some liberals are still stuck in their comfortable, self-serving stereotypes.

Gosh, looky here! Liberals/Democrats aren't as popular as they think. Since you seem to be impressed by how most people feel about politics, this should be news for you, and you know what? Most people aren't liberal. Maybe those conservative gays are on to something. Ready to change your mind, since you're still letting voters speak for themselves?

 

[brindisi]

Isn't it interesting that you berate liberals for speaking for homosexuals and yet you seem to have no problem speaking for them yourself?

Do you think that everyone who votes republican would agree with your statement that liberals are a threat to America? Because I find that assertion rather odd.

I'm not speaking for them, they'e speaking for themselves. Did you miss the fact that this article is from a gay site?

 

[Goodtry]

Wow, you must be very bright and enlightened to decide for others what is in their best interest!

Did it ever occur to you that they can decide for themselves, and that you should respect that?

They can decide for themselves. And when they're led off to the concentration camps for "sexual deviants" they'll even have the nerve to act surprised.

Enlightenment is not necessary to decide what's in Gay and Lesbians' best interests. A simple process of elimination will suffice. One party recognizes the innate nature of homosexuality and considers official state-sanctioned discrimination against gays and lesbians unconstitutional. The other offers tax breaks and promises to make same-sex marriage illegal and even considers measures making simply being gay a crime (see Montana Republican Party Platform).

Pretty obvious what party GLBT Americans should be supporting.

 

[brindisi]

They can decide for themselves. And when they're led off to the concentration camps for "sexual deviants" they'll even have the nerve to act surprised.

Enlightenment is not necessary to decide what's in Gay and Lesbians' best interests. A simple process of elimination will suffice. One party recognizes the innate nature of homosexuality and considers official state-sanctioned discrimination against gays and lesbians unconstitutional. The other offers tax breaks and promises to make same-sex marriage illegal and even considers measures making simply being gay a crime (see Montana Republican Party Platform).

Pretty obvious what party GLBT Americans should be supporting.

I woud have greater respect for your views if you weren't so strident. Gays, just as everyone else, are fully competent to make decisions for themselves. I have a lot of gay friends and family members, and most are quite conservative. There are, for them, other considerations than what you think they should be obsessed with.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'm not speaking for them, they'e speaking for themselves. Did you miss the fact that this article is from a gay site?

We're not talking about what the site said, we're talking about what you just said -- assuming, of course, you're willing to tke responsibility for your own words?