UFO's [moved from Dreams and Visions]

[Lisa*Lisa]

Wow C8-@, awesome post!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

If you read the whole chapter of Joel 2, you can clearly see that it's not talking about electric lines.

I"m just sayin..........

 

[lilmissmontana]

wow! for the record to whomsoever might be of interest ... that post was posted in a thread that was speculating on the ways spirits not of the Lord could be working ...

in a last ditch effort to resolve this, I say ... once again ... you are assuming I differ in thought from you ... you have absolutely no idea what I think on this subject one way or another because I didn't tell you and you didn't ask ... you told me what I think ... God is the heart knower ... not you all ... my intent was to fulfill the request of the op and encourage ... how can it possibly be wrong to tell someone to read the Word for themselves ... unbelievable ... just, wow! ... someone else can deal with this ... Father, I turn the matter over to you ... I have no power or might here ... but You do ... Your will be done ... in Jesus name ... Amen.

 

[razeontherock]

Here's the thing: we have not only sightings, but abductions in the MILLIONS. Most people say they are completely powerless in the presence of greys, as in they go limp, numb, immobile. BUT - -

Christians have been in these situations and taken the Name of the Lord to rebuke these things and they LEAVE.

Scripture? No. Experience though! Even God's own people suffer for a lack of knowledge, but what about those that don't?

"the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do [exploits]." (Daniel 11:32)

UFO's 'per se' are not demons, neither are those that 'pilot' them likely to be either, however what is behind them is demonic and part of a grand deception by the enemy.

This seems like a contradiction. If this is a "grand deception" (I think it has to be) how are the pilots not either demons or some physical concoction of theirs?

 

[Sketcher]

I am not convinced that Greys and Reptilians and so forth exist. But what I have observed is that the people who are truly convinced of their existence and claim to have had contact with them all buy into a New Age set of beliefs that these creatures allegedly helped to teach them. That's not a good sign. Those who believe in this stuff and haven't had contact also have a tendency to have New Age beliefs. Again, not a good sign. This leads me to believe that demons are somehow involved in the popular form of the belief in UFOs. Whether they're abducting people or not, I don't know, but the demonic deception is as much about the journey of the mind as it is about actual interactions.

 

[C8-@]

Hi Raze

""This seems like a contradiction. If this is a "grand deception" (I think it has to be) how are the pilots not either demons or some physical concoction of theirs? ""

Good question!

What I meant to question here was the actual physical existence of a UFO spacecraft itself. I have never seen one, but was watching a documentary about illusions yesterday which demonstrated how we cannot trust our own senses, vision in particular.

BBC - BBC Two Programmes - Horizon

The above is a link to the show I watched last night. At about 9 mins 30 seconds in it talks about the Mc Gurk effect and multi-modal perception which I found fascinating. The whole show is very insightful as to how our senses can be fooled quite easily into believing things that aren't true.

Manipulation of our senses may be one explanation for UFO sightings and alien encounters etc. by using mass illusion (grand deception), in the skies over our heads etc. There are several 'conspiracy' theories which might link with this such as chemtrails, HAARP and Project Blue Beam.

What really is NASA's true mandate, what are they using the International Space Station and all these other pieces of tin floating around in low earth orbit for? Why are the space shuttles being retired after the last flight in November this year? All these and other questions will be answered soon I guess as part of some mass deception of the antichrist.

So if some of the UFO's are illusions, holograms painted on the skies above our heads then they don't have 'pilots' inside them per se, they're on the ground or elsewhere with a laptop/joystick etc.

I'm not saying that UFO's don't exist in the physical sense either, those that do are probably piloted by humans (in league with demons/aliens) and are likely experimental military craft such as the stealth bomber for example.

It's all speculation, but whatever they are whether real or illusion I think that the powers behind them creating the 'grand deception' which millions will buy into when they do reveal themselves, are definitely demonic and of the antichrist.

 

[gracechick]

wow! for the record to whomsoever might be of interest ... that post was posted in a thread that was speculating on the ways spirits not of the Lord could be working ...

in a last ditch effort to resolve this, I say ... once again ... you are assuming I differ in thought from you ... you have absolutely no idea what I think on this subject one way or another because I didn't tell you and you didn't ask ... you told me what I think ... God is the heart knower ... not you all ... my intent was to fulfill the request of the op and encourage ... how can it possibly be wrong to tell someone to read the Word for themselves ... unbelievable ... just, wow! ... someone else can deal with this ... Father, I turn the matter over to you ... I have no power or might here ... but You do ... Your will be done ... in Jesus name ... Amen.

Then have you fully explained your beliefs in another thread as I am a bit

 

[gracechick]

I am not convinced that Greys and Reptilians and so forth exist. But what I have observed is that the people who are truly convinced of their existence and claim to have had contact with them all buy into a New Age set of beliefs that these creatures allegedly helped to teach them. That's not a good sign. Those who believe in this stuff and haven't had contact also have a tendency to have New Age beliefs. Again, not a good sign. This leads me to believe that demons are somehow involved in the popular form of the belief in UFOs. Whether they're abducting people or not, I don't know, but the demonic deception is as much about the journey of the mind as it is about actual interactions.

Icing on the cake. They freeze and disappear when the name of Jesus is spoken.

 

[lilmissmontana]

Then have you fully explained your beliefs in another thread as I am a bit

well, I can imagine you confused ... confusion entered early in the thread ...

no, I haven't ... thank you for asking ... it never came up anywhere I was at ... as you can see, I have over 20,000 posts ... I don't remember absolutely, but I don't think I ever have discussed it ... and it's not a subject I would choose to discuss ... I try to 'deal' ... for lack of better word ... in the things that encourage others to the Lord ... and I didn't choose it on this thread ... that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of the subject ... it simply means it's not of interest to me to 'deal' in speculation of things that are so contoversial ... I have on occasion tried to join discussions on things like that (but not UFO's) and found it to be distasteful at best ... it's my humble opinion that my time is better spent focusing on the goodness of the Lord than scaring the 'hell' out of people ... particularily those who haven't spent a lot of time in the Word ... I guess to put it simply ... for me, there is a time and place for things ...

my intent never was to discuss UFO's ... I intended to leave that to others ... my intent was to encourage the op to read the Bible ... AS REQUESTED by the op ... others just seem to think I need to discuss UFO's and I'm not going to get bullied into it ... while I'm trying to encourage someone to read the Bible others have used that to jump on me and form conclusions to what I do or do not believe ... in trying to understand why Christians would do that, I concluded it seems to be so they can talk about what they want ... I simply don't know how else to take it ... not trying to assume ... just trying to deal with it ... I can tell you I've shed a few tears over this thread ...

I'm completely astounded that any one would think someone who needs to be encouraged to read the Word would be ready for anything more on the subject ... again ... Truth starts in the bible ... the Word isn't an 'afterthought' ... one has nothing to compare what they hear to until they have read the scriptures relating to it and understand them ... but ... each to their own ... there's an awful lot of pointing fingers at me going on in this thread for no reason at all ... as to what I believe or don't ... I still don't see this thread as being the place for that ... so you all will just have to go on without me on that ... I would just encourage all to really look at what someone posts and stop being so darn sure they know what everyone else thinks and feels ...

is it just me, or can anyone else see how this must look to someone who doesn't read much of the Bible ... or for that matter those who are exploring the idea of Christianity? that Christians just jump on other Christians like a pack of wolves (that's how this all made me feel ... if anyone cares) ... I can't help think they might be turned away if that's the way "Christianity' works ...

please, I request no one else address me on this thread about UFO's ... I've spent 2 pages being bullied over and over for trying to encourage someone in the Lord ... I choose not to address the subject of UFO's again ... I've answered gracechick's post because it's the one that finally came with no accusations on the subject ... now everyone can go about there business on UFO's knowing where I stand ... why that was ever important is beyond me ... oh wait ... it wasn't ...

the irony of it all doesn't escape me ... UNIDENTIFIED flying objects ...

each to their own
lilmiss

and now ... please forgive me, Lord ... I turned it over to you, then came back ... I'll try to do better

 

[TheDag]

it's only because the Lord has so firmly given me the importance of listening to Him and Him only do I ask?

ok can you back this up with scripture? think of passages that specifically tell us some are meant to be teachers. That is teachers as in teaching us the word. Do you count that as listening to God only? just curiosity is all.

 

[TheDag]

So are they demons? I don't know much but I am scared. This will encourage me to read my bible.

UFO's could be anything. They could be a military plain, they could be a missile, the could be some kid who has played a prank and created his own hot air balloon and is floating through the sky. UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. So by the very definition of what it stands for there is endless possibilities as to what UFO could be. Demons are one possibility.

I guess my point is that if some UFO's are demons that does not mean all UFO's are demons.

 

[TheDag]

I'll give you one small example. Crop circles. If you load them into a computer program and spin them at high speeds, they give another message or a signature of what group made that circle. One of the common signatures is a pentagram, which can only be seen while spun.

Well I guess I'm an alien then. After all I can draw pictures that change into different shapes when spun really fast. It is not avtually hard to do. I'm not a good artist by any stretch of any imagination. There are those much better than me. Also there are those who are clever with computers. You could actually start by drawing a pentagram with a computer and it will tell you what shape to make. So with all due respect this is hardly conclusive proof. I am not saying your wrong but I certainly hope you have something much much better to be basing your firmly held beliefs on.

 

[lilmissmontana]

ok can you back this up with scripture? think of passages that specifically tell us some are meant to be teachers. That is teachers as in teaching us the word. Do you count that as listening to God only? just curiosity is all.

hello

that's a good question and point, for sure ... curiosity is a good thing ... well, mostly

well, no, I'm not sure I can back that up with scripture and I'm not inclined to think I should have to ... it goes considerably deeper and was a personal revelation concerning the time I'm on the internet ... it would be like a series of scriptures, meditation on the scriptures, asking Him for understanding, etc. ... and I don't feel that's anything but personal and in no way applies to the subject at hand ... the reason I put it there was toward keeping my ears and eyes open ... I'm all ears to learn ... properly learn ...

the starting point is scripture and as it turns out this was moved to a Christian advice forum ... I would think that would mean giving Christian advice ... not advice from the world view ... I'm plenty open to learning from all kinds of teachers ... however, it's been shown to me and the Word says not to accept anything if it doesn't follow suit with the Word ... for me that eliminates the possibility of accepting until I do see the scripture ... had I seen a scripture that can be linked from UFO to demon, I would have been able to go look and see for myself, as could all ... I offered my scriptures to the op ... I felt it was fair to request the same from others ... and still do thin that ... I still would not have discussed it here ... it was never my intent to discuss UFO's ...

the only scripture that anywhere near was given was a loose 'well, I know they talk about them Eziekiel 1' or something to that effect ... seriously, someone should take that as evidence :o ... common sense, alone, dictates the answer to that ... one would think if someone's so sure they speak the truth, they should be able to give a little more than that ... instead it was chosen to go take something posted on a completely different thread, completely out of context and use it to 'spread the truth' ... sorry, that goes with 'what have you rejected lately, because if you haven't rejected anything, you've accepted everything' ... and we're left right where we were with that ... i.e. the world's view ... because any thing less than starting with the Word is the world's view ... I can't conceive that any one would honestly think it was anything else ...

on teachers ... the Lord says He will send us teachers ... and so He does ... He also says we need only Him to teach us ... so to understand that together, rather than see it as contradictory, I set to understand ... the Lord says seek and ye shall find ... so I did ... and so I did ... I came to understand by sending us teachers, He is teaching us by leading, guiding, and directing us ... the place where it goes wrong, if one isn't careful, is leaving out the Holy Spirit in the factor ... not every one is meant to be a teacher of Truth ... and anyone who is must certainly be prepared to give scriptures ... all would be very wise to read all the passages against false teachers ... particualrily the time we live in ... in just even understanding that there will be more lies than Truth, I can't imagine why man would take anything less than the word as Truth ... in context ...

the Holy Spirit is the One who gives discernment who to listen to and who not ... but, and I say again, but ... we can't exect Him to lead, guide, and direct us into the deeper Truth without doing our homework ... and that means knowing what the Word says on the scriptures first ... well, actually, it means having a personal relationship with Him first ... by study of His Word, prayer, etc. I understand from the Word not to have teachers who base things on anything other than the Bible, ... as the Word also says, wisdom and understanding come from Him ... Proverbs 1:7 ... the beginning of understanding is fear of Him ... fear in this case being reverance ... it begins with Him ... if we leave out the Holy Spirit by going to the world for our understanding and wisdom ... well, then we get the world's understanding and wisdom and we can all see how that's going across the world ... the Holy Spirit can't be factored out from the gate ... and I'm not going to, God willing ...

... I see nowhere in the Bible are we instructed to teach someone how not to be afraid by giving them the 'wisdom' of the world ... it's the truth of the world ... the Truth of the Lord is in the Word ... precept by precept ... scripture by scripture ... in proper context ... there is not one single thing the world knows that the Lord doesn't ... either a person believes that or they don't ... it's yea or nay ... no in between ... and we don't live in a time we can dawdle on that ...

as it turns out ... there's many, many scriptures speaking to this subject of UFO's ... but who would know unless they took the time ... i.e. sought Him ...

to whomsoever ... I thought since so many are bent I give my view or have determined my view, I'd post this little tickler ... there is a relatively large segment that believes God, Himself, (am I saying me ... maybe yes, maybe no ... that's for others to find IN THE WORD ... anyway, a segment believes God, Himself, came on an ... if that's the case it would be, Identified, I suppose ... FO ...

when I came to understand this was one possibility, it became ever more clear how important it is to start with the Word ... I choose not to be one who said they were demon based just because it's the popular theory of the world and can be 'proven' by the world ... I chose to go look for myself ... that takes work ... not just a peek ... it mortifies me to think of the mere possibility of going around saying they're demons and later maybe finding out that God came in one ...

sorry, people ... can you say for sure you know He didn't? ... and back it up with scriptures ... just because someone claims they know ... well, no one really knows if they do or not ... especially without scriptures ... and especially on the internet ... a wildly unregulated beast ... the One and only One that knows the heart and mind (to me they're one and the same) of another is the Lord ...

... well, I can say one way or another ... but I choose not to ... some places just aren't the right time and not the right place ... and some things aren't for me to 'deal in' ... in other words, not my calling ... and remember, I didn't say one way or another ... I am saying, it would include wisdom to make absolutley sure of what you speak ... the Word says what comes out of the mouth is what defiles ... and there is a scripture for that, as well ... and all willface judgement ... I strive to keep my record clean there ... but hey, like I said ... everyone of us can be wrong or guilty ... God can't ...

lilmiss

 

[gracechick]

UFO's could be anything. They could be a military plain, they could be a missile, the could be some kid who has played a prank and created his own hot air balloon and is floating through the sky. UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. So by the very definition of what it stands for there is endless possibilities as to what UFO could be. Demons are one possibility.

I guess my point is that if some UFO's are demons that does not mean all UFO's are demons.

True, but they originate from the same source whether of human or supernatural creation. Strange days we live in huh?

 

[C8-@]

I know that this is an old thread and folks have probably moved on by now but...

What with another recent UFO sighting over Jerusalem and our popular culture being bombarded with UFO and Extra Terrestrial propaganda, I thought that this link might be of interest as it ties in with UFOs/ETs and Demonic Junk entering our homes through cables and windows etc. and the grand deception the world is being led into.

Katy Perry’s “E.T.” Lyrics And Video — Alien Deception Strikes Again « Spirit and Truth