Sabbath?

[visionary]

Close your eyes and let God lead you in this matter. Your time of worship is between you and God. The Jews see Shabbat as the date with God.. The tithing of time.. It is a time of celebration, a time of rejoicing, a time of rest and worshipping the Creator and Redeemer. It is a time of reflection, and study. It is foremost a relationship. It is personal.

 

[RibI]

I disagree and think she has a ligetimate question.No sir it doesn't. It is a or the major difference in the covenants. You can't have them both as Gal 5:4 indicates, it is eatheir law or Jesus. Again it comes down to which covenant you like. Jesus is our sabbath rest Mat 11:28-30. Not to mention Hebrews on the subject.

All the rationalization and misappropriation of scripture in the world will not change the facts.
All they do is exibit ones lack of understanting.

 

[RibI]

Paul wrote:
Rom 14:5-6 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. NIV

If mandatory Sabbath keeping was still in force Here is where Paul would have said so and ended any disagreements amongst believers there and then. But he didn't.

John
NZ

Actually Paul is not speakiing about God's Sabbath here.
If the Sabbath had been changed or done away there would be a plain, concise explanation and the biggest dissagrement ever, ending with a clear decision about it somewhere in the NT, but there is not.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus being the sabbath rest is the lamest of excuses and it is a total twist of Hebrews. The rest that the subjects of Hebrews 4 were prevented from entering into, was it a rest in Jesus? No it was not.

And yet no rebuttal for Jesus invitation. It had to be different than what they already had or Jesus is blowing hot air.

The day that many say means everyday, being our "new sabbath rest", did it exist in the Old testament? It surely did.

Where is the scripture. Whith out it you have only opinion. And that is worthless.

And the whole thing about choosing between law and Jesus is bogus, because Jesus chose the law. He chose to obey his father because he loved him. I am sure however, that you have no problem with 9 of the 10 commandments. It is just the sabbath where the problem is. Study Hebrews 4 and start from chapter 3. Determine the subjects of the chapters, check the old testament context and gain a better understanding of the chapter.

Then explain Gal 5:4. Jesus was subject to the law or He could not have fulfilled it. Jesus was under the OC and subject to it. The covenants changed at the cross when Jesus said 'It is finished!' John 19:30.

Let us also remember that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. Romans 10:4

 

[from scratch]

Close your eyes and let God lead you in this matter. Your time of worship is between you and God. The Jews see Shabbat as the date with God.. The tithing of time.. It is a time of celebration, a time of rejoicing, a time of rest and worshipping the Creator and Redeemer. It is a time of reflection, and study. It is foremost a relationship. It is personal.

Are you saying this can only be done on the 7th day?

 

[from scratch]

All the rationalization and misappropriation of scripture in the world will not change the facts.
All they do is exibit ones lack of understanting.

You are correct so show my misappropiation of scripture instead of making an empty accusation.

 

[from scratch]

Actually Paul is not speakiing about God's Sabbath here.
If the Sabbath had been changed or done away there would be a plain, concise explanation and the biggest dissagrement ever, ending with a clear decision about it somewhere in the NT, but there is not.

Yet again no scripture, just opinion. What is the problem? Why can't you provide a scriptural defense? Can't find one verse to support your position, can you?

 

[RibI]

Yet again no scripture, just opinion. What is the problem? Why can't you provide a scriptural defense? Can't find one verse to support your position, can you?

It is hard, to think of only one, so here are a few.

Some people think that Paul did away with the Sabbath and other biblical Holy Days when he wrote in Romans 14:5-6: that “One person esteems “one day” above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it”

They think that Paul is referring to God’s Sabbaths even though the Sabbath is not mentioned in the whole book of Romans.
Paul and the other New Testament writers did not call the Sabbath “one day.”
Did you know that Paul quotes from the Old Testament 84 times in this one letter to support his teaching.
He never thought for one moment of doing away with the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.

Paul, while in Corinth, “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath,
and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts18:1, 4).
Did he write to the church in Rome to tell them Sabbath-keeping was irrelevant while teaching Jews and gentiles “every Sabbath” in Corinth? I don’t think so. No matter where Paul went, the book of Acts shows Paul’s custom was to keep the fourth commandment / Sabbath (Acts 17:2).

We can not make anything holy. Yet we are commanded to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy. We can’t keep something holy that God has not made holy. If you look in Lev. 23:1-2 you will learn that, God calls His weekly Sabbath and annual Feast days His. They are not Israel’s or the Jew’s. They are God’s

Our example is this: Follow it or not, it’s up to you.
Lk.4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.


Act. 17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act. 13:42-44 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. (Now here was the perfect place for Paul to say, you don’t have to worry about that old Sabbath thing. I will meet with you tomorrow on the first day of the week.) 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Act. 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Act. 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now in verse 11 we read that Paul lived there for a year and six months. Since he “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath” that’s 78 weekly Sabbaths and about 10 annual Sabbaths.


Further proof that this common interpretation of Romans 14 is wrong can be found in
Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians. He wrote this epistle in or around A.D. 55, shortly before he came to Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:5-6) on the visit during which he would write his epistle to the Romans. What do we find he tells the Corinthians in this letter?
• He tells them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread in the proper manner,
understanding its spiritual intent (1 Corinthians
5:7-8; compare Leviticus 23:6). • He instructs them on how to keep the
New Testament Passover as a commemoration of Jesus Christ’s death (1 Corinthians
11:23-30).
• He reminds them that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
• He writes that he intends to journey to them, but that he will first stay in Ephesus until
after the biblical Feast of Pentecost has passed
(1 Corinthians 16:8).
If you accept the common misinterpretation of the book of Romans, you would have to
conclude that Paul instructed the Corinthians in how to properly observe the Passover, that he told them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread, and that he noted he was staying in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecost—and the very next year wrote to the Romans that none of this mattered and was all unnecessary.
On the other hand, if you understand Paul’s teaching to the Romans as it is truthfully presented in this chapter, you will see complete agreement between his actions and the letters he wrote to Church members both in Rome and Corinth.

 

[ThomasDa]

It is hard, to think of only one, so here are a few.

Some people think that Paul did away with the Sabbath and other biblical Holy Days when he wrote in Romans 14:5-6: that “One person esteems “one day” above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it”

They think that Paul is referring to God’s Sabbaths even though the Sabbath is not mentioned in the whole book of Romans.
Paul and the other New Testament writers did not call the Sabbath “one day.”
Did you know that Paul quotes from the Old Testament 84 times in this one letter to support his teaching.
He never thought for one moment of doing away with the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.

Paul, while in Corinth, “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath,
and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts18:1, 4).
Did he write to the church in Rome to tell them Sabbath-keeping was irrelevant while teaching Jews and gentiles “every Sabbath” in Corinth? I don’t think so. No matter where Paul went, the book of Acts shows Paul’s custom was to keep the fourth commandment / Sabbath (Acts 17:2).

We can not make anything holy. Yet we are commanded to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy. We can’t keep something holy that God has not made holy. If you look in Lev. 23:1-2 you will learn that, God calls His weekly Sabbath and annual Feast days His. They are not Israel’s or the Jew’s. They are God’s

Our example is this: Follow it or not, it’s up to you.
Lk.4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.


Act. 17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act. 13:42-44 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. (Now here was the perfect place for Paul to say, you don’t have to worry about that old Sabbath thing. I will meet with you tomorrow on the first day of the week.) 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Act. 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Act. 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now in verse 11 we read that Paul lived there for a year and six months. Since he “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath” that’s 78 weekly Sabbaths and about 10 annual Sabbaths.


Further proof that this common interpretation of Romans 14 is wrong can be found in
Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians. He wrote this epistle in or around A.D. 55, shortly before he came to Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:5-6) on the visit during which he would write his epistle to the Romans. What do we find he tells the Corinthians in this letter?
• He tells them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread in the proper manner,
understanding its spiritual intent (1 Corinthians
5:7-8; compare Leviticus 23:6). • He instructs them on how to keep the
New Testament Passover as a commemoration of Jesus Christ’s death (1 Corinthians
11:23-30).
• He reminds them that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
• He writes that he intends to journey to them, but that he will first stay in Ephesus until
after the biblical Feast of Pentecost has passed
(1 Corinthians 16:8).
If you accept the common misinterpretation of the book of Romans, you would have to
conclude that Paul instructed the Corinthians in how to properly observe the Passover, that he told them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread, and that he noted he was staying in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecost—and the very next year wrote to the Romans that none of this mattered and was all unnecessary.
On the other hand, if you understand Paul’s teaching to the Romans as it is truthfully presented in this chapter, you will see complete agreement between his actions and the letters he wrote to Church members both in Rome and Corinth.

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[visionary]

Yet again no scripture, just opinion. What is the problem? Why can't you provide a scriptural defense? Can't find one verse to support your position, can you?

Rev talks about "worship Him who created heaven and earth.. which refers again to the original worshipping of God.

 

[visionary]

Are you saying this can only be done on the 7th day?

It is an experience.. you and God will have to have together to truly understand.

 

[Johnnz]

All of your quotes re the Sabbath and Jesus were from his life pre his death and resurrection. The rendering asunder of the temple veil signified the end of the law of the Mosaic covenant.

The feasts etc. The NT cannot be understood without the OT. For several millennia God had worked alongside humanity gradually instilling an increasing understanding of Himself. The OT was preparatory.

1 Peter 1:10-12 10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. NIV

Thus we see many prefiguring of themes that found their eventual and final fulfilment in Christ.

Heb 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming — not the realities themselves. NIV

and

Heb 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. NIV

John
NZ

 

[Deut 5:29]

It is hard, to think of only one, so here are a few.

Some people think that Paul did away with the Sabbath and other biblical Holy Days when he wrote in Romans 14:5-6: that “One person esteems “one day” above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he doesnot observe it”

They think that Paul is referring to God’s Sabbaths even though the Sabbath is not mentioned in thewhole book of Romans.
Paul and the other New Testament writers did not call the Sabbath “one day.”
Did you know that Paul quotes from the Old Testament 84 times in this one letter to support his teaching.
He never thought for one moment of doing away with the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.

Paul, while in Corinth, “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath,
and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts18:1, 4).
Did he write to the church in Rome to tell them Sabbath-keeping was irrelevant while teaching Jews and gentiles “every Sabbath” in Corinth? I don’t think so. No matter where Paul went, the book ofActs shows Paul’s custom was to keep the fourth commandment / Sabbath (Acts 17:2).

We can not make anything holy. Yet we are commanded to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy. We can’t keep something holy that God has not made holy. If you look in Lev. 23:1-2 you will learn that, God calls His weekly Sabbath and annual Feast days His. They are notIsrael’s or the Jew’s. They are God’s

Our example is this: Follow it or not, it’s up to you.
Lk.4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.


Act. 17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act. 13:42-44 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words mightbe preached to them the next Sabbath. (Now here was the perfect place for Paul to say, you don’t have to worry about that old Sabbath thing. I will meet with you tomorrow on the first day of the week.) 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continuein the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Act. 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Act. 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now in verse 11 we read that Paul lived there for a year and six months. Since he “reasoned in the synagogueevery Sabbath” that’s 78 weekly Sabbaths and about 10 annual Sabbaths.


Further proof that this common interpretation of Romans 14 is wrong can be found in
Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians. He wrote this epistle in or around A.D. 55, shortly beforehe came to Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:5-6) on the visit during which he would write his epistleto the Romans. What do we find he tells the Corinthians in this letter?
• He tells them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread in the proper manner,
understanding its spiritual intent (1 Corinthians
5:7-8; compare Leviticus 23:6). • He instructs them on how to keep the
New Testament Passover as a commemoration of Jesus Christ’s death (1 Corinthians
11:23-30).
• He reminds them that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
• He writes that he intends to journey to them, but that he will first stay in Ephesus until
after the biblical Feast of Pentecost has passed
(1 Corinthians 16:8).
If you accept the common misinterpretation of the book of Romans, you would have to
conclude that Paul instructed the Corinthians in how to properly observe the Passover, thathe told them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread, and that he noted he wasstaying in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecost—and the very next year wroteto the Romans that none of this mattered and was all unnecessary.
On the other hand, if you understand Paul’s teaching to the Romans as it is truthfully presented in this chapter, you will see complete agreement between his actions and the lettershe wrote to Church members both in Rome and Corinth.

I see "Johnnz" did not read your post, where almost all biblical quotes are post resurrection.
Funny how people only see what they want too.
Keep up the good work.

 

[Frogster]

Something is going on here.

 

[Frogster]

It is an experience.. you and God will have to have together to truly understand.

Like in other words, he does not "understand".

Behold..



17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[Johnnz]

I was a bit hasty.

It is widely recognised that the initial targets for the new community were the Jewish people, so they went to where they had speaking rights to proclaim the gospel. As the apostles began to see their mission to the gentiles that would change. Paul used whatever forum was available to him. They also may have been seeking Gentile proselytes who were not as bound to Jewish law. But that custom for evangelism was not as their time of Christian worship and teaching. That soon took place on Sundays, the eighth day, signifying resurrection.

John
NZ

 

[PROPHECYKID]

And yet no rebuttal for Jesus invitation. It had to be different than what they already had or Jesus is blowing hot air. Where is the scripture. Whith out it you have only opinion. And that is worthless.Then explain Gal 5:4. Jesus was subject to the law or He could not have fulfilled it. Jesus was under the OC and subject to it. The covenants changed at the cross when Jesus said 'It is finished!' John 19:30.

Let us also remember that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. Romans 10:4

So it means you really do not know the Old testament context but thats ok. I didn't know it either and it's because of speaking about it here that made me dig deeper and study it more. What Jesus was offering in Matthew is not a replacement Sabbath. It is a emotional and spiritual rest from cares and burdens. If this is something new, Jesus is offering, that means no one in the Old Testament ever had this rest. Jesus isn't giving something never before given. David and many others would have experienced this rest, through his faith in God.

The context of the rest spoken of in Hebrews 4 is different from Matthew.

Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The Israelites who came out from Egypt were prevented from entering into this rest because of their unbelief and had to spend 40 years in the wilderness as a result. Was this rest Jesus, or was it a rest in the promised land?

Deu 12:10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;

Deu 25:19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

Jos 1:13 Remember the word which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, saying, The LORD your God hath given you rest, and hath given you this land.

They were supposed to enter the promised land, but they didn't believe. Under Moses they could not enter. Under Joshua they did enter, that is why Hebrews 4:8 makes reference to Joshua. The Israelites did posses the land but because of their constant rebellion they never experienced the rest they were supposed to. A question to think about. Was this rest a replacement to the Sabbath? When they eventually get the rest temporarily did they not still keep the Sabbath?

Hebrews 4 actually endorses the Sabbath rest by giving example of God's Sabbath keeping and saying that those who enter into rest follow his example of doing it. Some say it means you have to rest from spiritual works of earning Salvation. However, that is not how God rested. God purposefully chose to create the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th to show an example, and here in Hebrews it is saying to enter into rest the same way God did from his.

For those who say the Sabbath is now "Today" meaning everyday, they base it on Hebrews 4:7 which is quoting from what David id in Psalms 95. That is why is says, ".. saying in David" and "..as it is said". This is where the quote is taken from

Psa 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

So here in the OT, David is speaking of today. Is this a replacement Sabbath? Of course not, it is simply a call to accept the voice of but it is linked directly to the OT context of Hebrews 4 which is the rest given to them to enter Canaan. They did not listen to the voice of God then, and David is saying today, if you hear his voice do not harden your heart. So the claim that today is the new Sabbath is false.

Then explain Gal 5:4. Jesus was subject to the law or He could not have fulfilled it. Jesus was under the OC and subject to it. The covenants changed at the cross when Jesus said 'It is finished!' John 19:30.

Let us also remember that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. Romans 10:4

Jesus was subject to the law or he could not have fulfilled it. Very profound statement. Let's see why Jesus was subject to the law.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and can never be. Jesus was spiritually minded and therefore was subject to the law. He was able to fulfill the law because he loved God.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

What you need to understand about a covenant is that it is an agreement between two sides. If I have an agreement that i would pay you $15,000 to build my house and you breach the contract it does not mean I still do not want my house built. Hebrews 7 - 10 speaks at length about the old covenant. It is the only NT book which deals in detail with the Old Covenant and what had passed away. The section of the law which is mentioned mostly is the law concerning ordinances and ceremonies or the "handwriting of ordinances". However, in the new agreement Jesus still wants his Holy law to be at the center.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

You did ask about Galatians. The fact is that the law was never for justification. The jews at that time, gave a purpose to the law for which it was never intended. The law was never for salvation, or for justification. The law was to give a knowledge of sin. If people looks to the law to justify them, then the grace of God has no effect on them.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

But as the previous scripture shows, if you have love for God you will fulfill his law as Jesus did because love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Johnnz]

So it means you really do not know the Old testament context but thats ok. I didn't know it either and it's because of speaking about it here that made me dig deeper and study it more. What Jesus was offering in Matthew is not a replacement Sabbath.

That's right. He was giving to us a new salvation of adoption into God's own family as sons and daughters of which He is the firstfruit of that recreation of humanity.

It is a emotional and spiritual rest from cares and burdens.

That just assumption

If this is something new, Jesus is offering, that means no one in the Old Testament ever had this rest.

Right on as Hebrews tells us:Heb 4:8-10 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath — rest for the people of God; NIV

Jesus isn't giving something never before given. David and many others would have experienced this rest, through his faith in God.

Totally unfounded in Scripture

A question to think about. Was this rest a replacement to the Sabbath? When they eventually get the rest temporarily did they not still keep the Sabbath?

It wasn't. God rest is when he comes to His temple:

1 Chron 28:2 King David rose to his feet and said: "Listen to me, my brothers and my people. I had it in my heart to build a house as a place of rest for the ark of the covenant of the Lord , for the footstool of our God, and I made plans to build it.

Ps 132:7-9 "Let us go to his dwelling place; let us worship at his footstool — arise, O Lord , and come to your resting place, you and the ark of your might. May your priests be clothed with righteousness; may your saints sing for joy."
[FONT=&quot]Isa 66:1-2 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This is what the Lord says: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be? Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?" declares the Lord [/FONT]

Hebrews 4 actually endorses the Sabbath rest by giving example of God's Sabbath keeping and saying that those who enter into rest follow his example of doing it. Some say it means you have to rest from spiritual works of earning Salvation. However, that is not how God rested. God purposefully chose to create the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th to show an example, and here in Hebrews it is saying to enter into rest the same way God did from his.

On day six God’s work had been completed and so on day seven He rested. The resting place of a god was a temple. The Hebrew word translated ‘rest’ has the meaning of completion of an activity rather than our usage implying inactivity. When God rested on the seventh day that was not primarily about doing nothing but about God having completed His work, and that earth, under the vice regency of humanity, was now all set up and running in a partnership with its Creator. This is what gives our human activities such as architecture, invention, governance, husbandry, sport, family, parenting, construction, and all the great variety of human activity their true meaning. We are joining with the Creator in the ongoing operation of our world.

Also

Here are some scriptures where ‘rest’ means to enjoy and live in God’s provision.
Deut 3:19-20 However, your wives, your children and your livestock (I know you have much livestock) may stay in the towns I have given you, until the Lord gives rest to your brothers as he has to you, and they too have taken over the land that the Lord your God is giving them, across the Jordan.


Ps 132:13-14 For the Lord has chosen Zion, he has desired it for his dwelling: "This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it
In this Psalm we see the concepts of a throne, temple and rest clearly presented.

For those who say the Sabbath is now "Today" meaning everyday, they base it on Hebrews 4:7 which is quoting from what David id in Psalms 95. That is why is says, ".. saying in David" and "..as it is said". This is where the quote is taken from

Psa 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

So here in the OT, David is speaking of today. Is this a replacement Sabbath? Of course not, it is simply a call to accept the voice of but it is linked directly to the OT context of Hebrews 4 which is the rest given to them to enter Canaan.

The rest there was God's provision (land in that case) Now it's Jesus and His salvation.

Jesus was subject to the law or he could not have fulfilled it. Very profound statement. Let's see why Jesus was subject to the law.

Agreed. Then having fulfilled all righteousness he became our sacrifice and gave us the new and better covenant.

The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and can never be. Jesus was spiritually minded and therefore was subject to the law. He was able to fulfill the law because he loved God.

More Greek than biblical

What you need to understand about a covenant is that it is an agreement between two sides. If I have an agreement that i would pay you $15,000 to build my house and you breach the contract it does not mean I still do not want my house built. Hebrews 7 - 10 speaks at length about the old covenant. It is the only NT book which deals in detail with the Old Covenant and what had passed away. The section of the law which is mentioned mostly is the law concerning ordinances and ceremonies or the "handwriting of ordinances". However, in the new agreement Jesus still wants his Holy law to be at the center.

You confuse covenant (an unchanging commitment) with contract (mutual obligations, which if not fulfilled negate the contract

You did ask about Galatians. The fact is that the law was never for justification. The jews at that time, gave a purpose to the law for which it was never intended. The law was never for salvation, or for justification. The law was to give a knowledge of sin. If people looks to the law to justify them, then the grace of God has no effect on them.

That's a bit confused too. Its what we do knowing we have sinned that is our problem. The real remedy is in the New Covenant

But as the previous scripture shows, if you have love for God you will fulfill his law as Jesus did because love is the fulfilling of the law.

That's what all the law pointed to. But love is not the law. Nor can the law enable us to approach God with confidence. This is why the new covenant is for a new heart.

Col 2:13-14 He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. NIV

That's pretty clear. The law itself was nailed to the cross - dead cancelled, no longer operative or relevant.

My replies are in bold type.

John
NZ

 

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To John.

When i made the statement that the rest Jesus offered in Matthew must have been also available to those in the OT you said it is unbiblical. You later said that the rest was the salvation of Jesus. So was a rest of salvation unavailable to everyone in the old testament?

Col 2:13-14 He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. NIV

That's pretty clear. The law itself was nailed to the cross - dead cancelled, no longer operative or relevant.

I rather use the KJV.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

It was specifically referencing the law written by Moses. That is why it was the handwriting of ordinances. It was the laws dealing with ordinances and ceremonies. It was against us. It was different to the law of God which was written by the finger of God and not the hand of Moses.

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The law placed on the side of the ark was against them. God's 10 commandments were placed inside the ark and not on the side of the ark according the Deut 10:5. This text is therefore not making reference to God's Moral law which love fulfills.

 

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Actually, for the ancients a god's 'rest' was their coming home - dwelling within their temple. God's rest in Genesis was about the earth being set up and running under God's authority. All was in place.

As to law, you must read the NT as the culmination of God's message to us in Christ. There are just so many verses in the NT that speak of the end of the law, including Hebrews. In Romans, where past traditions were a big issue in the early church, Paul wrote:

Rom 14:5-6 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. NIV

If mandatory Sabbath keeping was still in force Here is where Paul would have said so and ended any disagreements amongst believers there and then. But he didn't.

John
NZ

In the verse you quoted in Romans you would notice that the contention is between which days men esteem higher than other. Apart from that you must look at Romans 14 in context. From verse 1, the question is, who is weak in the faith? Why do they abstain from all meat and eat only herbs. If we do not know those being referred to we cannot understand the chapter.