Dragon Terrorized Europe 80 Million Years Ago

[Cabal]

Gnomes existed in ancient times just as they do today.

For example Homo floresiensis, were hobbits that lived in ancient times 92,000 B.C.-11,000 B.C.

Dwarves are well known from ancient times.

Today we have pygmies, dwarves, and midgets.

I was referring to armpit-sized gnomes, but nice try. Good luck with your credulity world record attempt.

The only things that don't exist are transitional fossils...

You do realise how hard it is to take you seriously when you say you DON'T believe something, given how gullible you are for pretty much every half-baked idea out there?

 

[matthewgar]

I was referring to armpit-sized gnomes, but nice try. Good luck with your credulity world record attempt.



You do realise how hard it is to take you seriously when you say you DON'T believe something, given how gullible you are for pretty much every half-baked idea out there?

Maybe the problem is that to AOS and others, we don't treat evolution and science in the same way they treat their stuff, we treat them with facts and rely on evidence, they just make up stuff that sounds possible, but not nescarily plausible, but sounds good enough to them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe the problem is that to AOS and others, we don't treat evolution and science in the same way they treat their stuff, we treat them with facts and rely on evidence...

Is that why we have five different theories as to how we got our moon?

Is that why the Periodic Table has gone through more metamorphoses than Michael Jackson?

Is that why our solar system had eight planets, then nine, and now eight again?

 

[Cabal]

Is that why we have five different theories as to how we got our moon?

Is that why the Periodic Table has gone through more metamorphoses than Michael Jackson?

Is that why our solar system had eight planets, then nine, and now eight again?

And we never claimed to be inerrant or perfect.

Unlike your take on the Bible, which has spawned how many denominations now?

As I've said before, Christians should be praying for the level of unity science has.

 

[AV1611VET]

And we never claimed to be inerrant or perfect.

So, even with facts & evidence, you can claim neither inerrancy, nor perfection?

 

[Cabal]

So, even with facts & evidence, you can claim neither inerrancy, nor perfection?

Neither can you.

 

[Split Rock]

So, even with facts & evidence, you can claim neither inerrancy, nor perfection?

That is one of the few times you have posted something correct here... congratulations! No, we do not claim inerrancy, nor perfection. We leave that to you and your ilk. See my sig below: "Creationists can't all be right but they can all be wrong."
-Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[AV1611VET]

See my sig below: "Creationists can't all be right but they can all be wrong."
-Frumious Bandersnatch

That sig is wrong -- Jesus is a creationist.

 

[Gracchus]

Jesus is a creationist.

That's not what he told me. He told me you have hidden your intellectual talent under a rock because you were afraid of challenges to your faith, so you haven't developed your mind or strengthened you faith.

 

[Split Rock]

Uh-huh -- and at what stage of investigation did science ascertain that dragons are 'fictional creatures'?

You are quite right....
YouTube - Pwned by onyxia -Reign of Fire Directors cut

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not what he told me. He told me you have hidden your intellectual talent under a rock because you were afraid of challenges to your faith, so you haven't developed your mind or strengthened you faith.

More like:

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[Targ]

Wow, so many problems with what has been said in this thread.

For starters, humans would not be able to live at the same time of the dinosaurs. The Jurassic period for example had oxygen concentrations of 26% (compared to 21% now), 1950ppmv of CO2 (compared to around 390ppmv now) and the Earth's average temperature was 16.5ºC (compared to around 14 now). The Cretaceous was even worse in terms of oxygen levels and temperature. You wouldn't last long in that climate.

That's just an aside though

The main problem with the OP - you may have come up with a source of fuel - methane in the stomach from eating vegetation, but what was the biological mechanism that these creatures used to ignite the methane? What is the ignition mechanism and does it have any precedent in nature that we can observe? And how could a creature breath fire without scorching itself?

 

[AV1611VET]

The main problem with the OP - you may have come up with a source of fuel - methane in the stomach from eating vegetation, but what was the biological mechanism that these creatures used to ignite the methane? What is the ignition mechanism and does it have any precedent in nature that we can observe? And how could a creature breath fire without scorching itself?

Thanks, in part, to science and [so called] higher academia, we tend to look at characters in the Bible a different way than intended.

A good example is the cherub.

Is he a cute little chubby baby posing for Hallmark cards, or is he an elite fighting angel not to be messed with?

Who says dragons breathed fire?

 

[Cabal]

Thanks, in part, to science and [so called] higher academia, we tend to look at characters in the Bible a different way than intended.

A good example is the cherub.

Is he a cute little chubby baby posing for Hallmark cards, or is he an elite fighting angel not to be messed with?

Who says dragons breathed fire?

Take it up with your creationist buddies in this thread - they seem to think they did.

So much for "literalism", eh?

 

[AV1611VET]

Take it up with your creationist buddies in this thread...

I did.

 

[tansy]

From what I can see (as people archeologists, scientists and so on have investigated all manner of things AND come up with evidence), many, if not all myths, have some basis in fact. Yes, as stories go down through the ages, becoming folk-tales, perhaps things become exaggerated or embellished..even certain things invented or romanticized. But it seems to me that there is no smoke without fire (not intentionally a reference to fire-breathimng dragons)
For example, people thought that Atlantis was invented, but apparently (admittedly only from tv docs I've watched), they have found underwater ruins that quite likely are the remains of that city, and also a reason why it became buried under the sea (can't remember now whether it was because of volcano, earhtquake, meteorite, tsunamis as a result of such, or what), but anyhow, some fairly cataclysmic event.
Point is, one can't rule everything out...there's always the POSSIBILITY of things being true and factual, at least to some degree.
As for gnomes under whoever's armpits...I'm not at all sure that anyone's ever claimed that as an actual occurrence. One would presumably only go to the bother of proving or disproving that, if someone had ever made the claim that there were any living under said armpit.
Tut...these discussions do get out of hand sometimes...
Science is great..all for it. And who knows, maybe one day, there WILL be definite evidence discovered to prove the existence of various mythical creatures. But don't call them fictional, unless you have sure evidence otherwise.

 

[Targ]

Who says dragons breathed fire?

Creationists did, based in part upon an unnecessarily literal reading of the description of Leviathan breathing fire, as recorded in Job 41.

I really hope you aren't mention parasaurolophos at this point, or I will be forced to facepalm.

 

[AV1611VET]

And who knows, maybe one day, there WILL be definite evidence discovered to prove the existence of various mythical creatures.

And how does one prove the existence of 'various mythical creatures'?

If they can be shown to exist, then they weren't 'mythical' in the first place, were they?

And if they are discovered, who gets the credit? the discoverer, or the persons saying they existed all the time?

(I'm still highly peeved that [so-called] science stole the credit for the fact that this universe is expanding from Isaiah. I've never seen one Internet "scientist" ever admit that the Bible was right all along in this area -- preferring to hold Edwin Hubble up in high-esteem over David and Isaiah. But God knows who are His and who aren't.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists did, based in part upon an unnecessarily literal reading of the description of Leviathan breathing fire, as recorded in Job 41.

Yes, Leviathan breathed fire; but does that mean all dragons breathed fire?

I really hope you aren't mention parasaurolophos at this point, or I will be forced to facepalm.

Don't worry -- I never heard of it.

And why would a true scientist facepalm @ anything?

 

[tansy]

And how does one prove the existence of 'various mythical creatures'?

If they can be shown to exist, then they weren't 'mythical' in the first place, were they?

Yes, of course, if they were shown to exist, they wouldn't be myths, except int he sense that myths may have grown up around them.
You have to bear in mind also that 'myth' doesn't necessarilly equate to 'fiction', and I think it might be good to maintain that distinction in these kinds of discussions.