Who did away with the law?

[squint]

I don't think you are avle to follow the words of Moses as recorded in the Pentateuch in this matter.

If only your view of those matters were the only one available to you I'd have to agree, but there are other avenues of understanding LAW and FOLLOWING LAW other than following fleshly observances. Paul opened up quite a large avenue in this matter in Romans 13 wherein he intimately and inextricably LINKED that same LAW with LOVE.

When we love our neighbors as ourselves we ARE following the entirety of THE LAW of the SPIRIT and THE LAW of the Old Testament.

This is a problem in disbelieving the trinity. The words of the Pentateuch clearly show that none of the words recorded therein are from Jesus Christ.

The Law was and remains Gods Word. Jesus IS The Word. There is no logical way to avoid this fact without SEPARATING God from Jesus, which same cannot be done under any credible approach.

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[bugkiller]

My message? I am not aware that Gods condemnation of all sin and evil under both LAW and GRACE was 'my message' if I happen to agree with same.

I would even like to think that we might agree on that matter?

Sure I can agree that God condemns sin whether under grace or law. I do seperate the flesh from the soul in this matter. The flesh is not redeemed, the soul is. The flesh has recieved its sentence and will suffer its sentence from which there is no appeal. As long as the flesh eats and sleeps I will have to deal with its problems. Romans deals with this very well.

bugkiller

 

[squint]

Sure I can agree that God condemns sin whether under grace or law.

So you would also understand that LAW in continuing to condemn ALL SIN and EVIL is perfectly OK?

I do seperate the flesh from the soul in this matter. The flesh is not redeemed, the soul is.

The facts as bolded above do not change in any case of slicing. No sin or evil is was or ever will be condoned under Grace or Law. There is no avoiding this conclusion by slicing apart flesh and soul. The fact remains regardless.

The flesh has recieved its sentence and will suffer its sentence from which there is no appeal.

Sin and evil was, is and remains utterly condemned under both LAW and GRACE. The fact that the power resides in flesh including the mind is obvious to anyone who is able to be truthful about the fact.

As long as the flesh eats and sleeps I will have to deal with its problems. Romans deals with this very well.

bugkiller

I am not aware that eating and sleeping are sins or evil that I recall. I believe in fact that Jesus may have actually done both.

s

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
I am not aware that eating and sleeping are sins or evil that I recall. I believe in fact that Jesus may have actually done both.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

YoungLT] Matt 8:23 And when He entered into the boat His disciples did follow Him,
24 and lo!, a great tempest arose in the sea, so that the boat was being covered by the waves, but He was sleeping,
[Jonah 1:5]

Rotherham] Jonah 1:4 But Yahweh hurled a great wind against the sea,--and there arose a mighty tempest in the sea,--and the ship thought to be broken in pieces,
5 Then were the mariners afraid and made outcry every man unto his own god, and they hurled the wares which were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them,--but, Jonah had gone down into the hinder parts of the vessel, and had lain down and fallen into a sound sleep.

 

[brinny]

i believe Jesus DID eat n' sleep....matter of fact, He was sleepin' soundly as a storm skeered His disciples....they had a time wakin' Him up and then He chastised them LOL cuz if ya really think about it, is the ship gonna sink with the spotless Lamb of God on it? Would God let it?

 

[YosemiteSam]

All you just posted is possible theology BECAUSE of the 2300 SDA prophecy....
...It all evaporates without it.
...And evaporates with it as you will see.



Thank you. I learned more than I wanted to know about the SDA but no where that I read did it say that they celebrate their Sabbath for the reasons you gave. For what I read they celebrate it because of the same reason that the Jewish people do, because it is the seventh day of the week.

i think you would be correct, i have never read the other either.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Then why does it say if you spurn em, you break the cov, which was my point in the first place?


Leviticus 26:15
if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,

That was part of the covenant (agreement) I you keep my commandments (short version here) I will be your God and you my people. You see the agreement? They had to obey and in return He would be their God and and they His people.

He would be a husband to them...but they did not obey God...and after much chastening, God even divorced them...they broke the contract...they broke the covenant

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

i believe Jesus DID eat n' sleep....matter of fact, He was sleepin' soundly as a storm skeered His disciples....they had a time wakin' Him up and then He chastised them LOL cuz if ya really think about it, is the ship gonna sink with the spotless Lamb of God on it? Would God let it?

Tis an interesting greek word used in Matt 8:23.
It is used mainly in the Gospels, and in Ephesians 5 and 1 Thessolonian.
I will have to make a study folder on this

YoungLT] Matt 8:24 and lo, a great tempest arose in the sea, so that the boat was being covered by the waves, but He was sleeping/ekaq-euden <2518> (5707)
[Jonah 1:5]

2518. katheudo kath-yoo'-do from 2596 and heudo (to sleep); to lie down to rest, i.e. (by implication) to fall asleep (literally or figuratively):--(be a-)sleep.

Strong's Number G2518 matches the Greek &#954;&#945;&#952;&#949;&#8059;&#948;&#969; (katheud&#333;), which occurs 23 times in 20 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

 

[JohnRabbit]

Are you saying that observing the Law of God is serving sin?

yes, that's what he's saying.

and according to romans 7, he is wrong!

fancy that!

 

[JohnRabbit]

That was part of the covenant (agreement) I you keep my commandments (short version here) I will be your God and you my people. You see the agreement? They had to obey and in return He would be their God and and they His people.

He would be a husband to them...but they did not obey God...and after much chastening, God even divorced them...they broke the contract...they broke the covenant

they can't see the agreement nor that the fact that the old covenant was a marriage relationship.

like i said before, their zeal to hate the law, prevents them from seeing the TRUTH!

and i say that because they do everything in their power to stamp out God's law!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

they can't see the agreement nor that the fact that the old covenant was a marriage relationship.

like i said before, their zeal to hate the law, prevents them from seeing the TRUTH!

and i say that because they do everything in their power to stamp out God's law!

True dat!

2 Corin 3:14 But was calloused the minds of them.
For until the today, the same covering/kalumma <2571> upon the reading of the Old Covenant/Testament is remaining, no being up-covered/ana-kaluptomenon <343> (5746).
That In Christ it is being-taken-away

Revelation 1:1 An un-veiling/apo-kaluyiV <602> of Jesus Christ which gives to him the God to show to the bond-servants of Him which-things is binding to be becoming in swiftness

 

[JohnRabbit]

We find that the law is still in effect for the lawless, not those submitting to grace. I Tim 1:9, 10.We also fing that those who follow the leading of the Spirit do not induldge in sins of the flesh per Gal 5:18-21. Those who push grace are indeed under a law Romans 8:1,2, it is just not the law of Moses which include the ten commandments.

Avoidance of the fact does not eliminate the fact. Those who are in resistance to this fact (placing their lawlessness under Grace) or (saying they don't have that working when they AVOID the Law) are simply playing dodgeball with the fact.[/quote]Can you demonstrate this lawlessness in current actions of the grace pusher? IOW how are we lawless? What law are we violating?

bugkiller

[/quote]

the ten commandments!

because if you don't love God or show contempt for your neighbor, then you are violating God's law.

and that sin goes against God:

Genesis 39:9 ( NKJV ) 9There is no one greater in this house than I, nor has he kept back anything from me but you, because you are his wife. How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?&#8221;

even though he mentions pharoah, joseph was more concerned about the sin that went against God. the sin of adultery.

 

[bugkiller]

they can't see the agreement nor that the fact that the old covenant was a marriage relationship.

like i said before, their zeal to hate the law, prevents them from seeing the TRUTH!

and i say that because they do everything in their power to stamp out God's law!

I think you are dismissing our posts. Have we not zeroed in on Romans 7 which descirbes the relationship we have with God? Did we not show that the law is a dead husband. We have not divorced the law, it is dead and we burried it so that we could be married to another, namely Jesus Christ. We have accepted the new law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Avoidance of the fact does not eliminate the fact. Those who are in resistance to this fact (placing their lawlessness under Grace) or (saying they don't have that working when they AVOID the Law) are simply playing dodgeball with the fact.

Can you demonstrate this lawlessness in current actions of the grace pusher? IOW how are we lawless? What law are we violating?

What facts are we avoiding and how are we avoiding them? You did not answer the question of What law are we violating? What exactly are we dodging?

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

Sure...God wanted sin to become sinful, so man can see he can't keep the law, then through the law he dies to the law.Gal 2:20.




Huh? Baptism?

Please explain.

can you please explain what you have written here:

"then through the law he dies to the law.Gal 2:20."

i would like to know what that means.

 

[bugkiller]

Are you saying that observing the Law of God is serving sin?

No!

Now I am going to watch you say that if you observe the law you will not have any sin. Do I have a come back for that?

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

Can you demonstrate this lawlessness in current actions of the grace pusher? IOW how are we lawless? What law are we violating?

What facts are we avoiding and how are we avoiding them? You did not answer the question of What law are we violating? What exactly are we dodging?

bugkiller

the ten commandments!

 

[JohnRabbit]

No!

Now I am going to watch you say that if you observe the law you will not have any sin. Do I have a come back for that?

bugkiller

why ask me? you seem to be answering your own questions.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I think you are dismissing our posts. Have we not zeroed in on Romans 7 which descirbes the relationship we have with God? Did we not show that the law is a dead husband. We have not divorced the law, it is dead and we burried it so that we could be married to another, namely Jesus Christ. We have accepted the new law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

bugkiller

sorry, but that's not what the narrative is about.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Originally Posted by Deut 5:29 Jesus was crucified and died Wednesday, April 25th, 31 AD.

Thanks for making my point Deut 5:29.....
...And that's IF Christ died in 31 A.D. it didn't happen on a Gregorian Friday!

There is no IF, and acording it to the Bible it could only be a Wedndsday.

[i.e. the fourth day of the week]