Who did away with the law?

[visionary]

If you observe the law, yes.

bugkiller

Are you saying that observing the Law of God is serving sin?

 

[98cwitr]

It was in the OT all along, that is why in later chapter 4, Paul showed justification by faith, by the example in the Scripture, of Abraham. It was in the OT all along..

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—


Also we have this, from the law and Prophets, that spoke of what was to come.


Rom 1:2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures,


This is Hab 2:4

Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

ugh...Im not seeing any OT scripture there...so mind showing me again where it was written in OT Law that the Law was going to be thrown out the window? If you're going to reference Jeremiah 31:31-40 I'm with ya...would love to discuss it.

 

[Cribstyl]

98cwitr, Don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

It appear you have more to say than "dont fall for the banana in your tailpipe."

So what you meant to say, "We post the scripture, that we hope we understand, and that, understood or not, we follow as doctrines."

Then to the other, " Why do you expect your comment, that we think, overshadows, our thinking of the scriptures, yours and ours contradicts?'

Duh!

So what you mean is, "oh, the ten commandments, right?"

Not sure I agree with you, although, it might be a good point. It contradicts what I think. Nice talking to you though.

There are normally more than one opinion to every issue, I'd rather hear your opinion than your socalled little talks with me.
Since you cant address the issues with Questions and Answers, I'll let someonelse talk back to you.

 

[Cribstyl]

so the fact that God wrote the ten commandments, the only thing that God Himself wrote to mankind, means what to you?

So the fact that God sent His son to die in the flesh means what to you?

 

[98cwitr]

Not falling for bananas period, in tailpipes or otherwise

 

[VictorC]

so the fact that God wrote the ten commandments, the only thing that God Himself wrote to mankind, means what to you?

The fact that Jesus referred to Deuteronomy 6:5 as the greatest commandment in the entire law should also mean something to us. The greatest commandment was spoken by Moses, not God, and was considered by God Himself to be superior to the covenant engraved onto tablets of stone.

Oh, those tablets were placed inside the ark of the covenant, and sealed underneath the mercyseat. I would consider the imagery presented that one needs to dispense with God's mercy in order to get to the ten commandments.

Not so the other part of the first covenant.

Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you..."​

 

[VictorC]

If a post is removed it does affect the number

That would seem intuitive, but I had never verified that. Thanks!

 

[Cribstyl]

Not falling for bananas period, in tailpipes or otherwise

Is this how you want to procede?

#420 You came to this thread claiming confusion about Matt 5 and Paul's we're not under the law"..... My first time ever talking to you was my response to your questions #433

I said... #441 Truth is....Change of the law was already written into the Law and the prophets.

You then asked respectfully

You mind posting that claim(s) from scripture plz?

I replied....... #460
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By NT making this claim in Romans 3, it prove that Matt 5:16-19 shows that change was written into the law.
ESV - Rom 3:21 -But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—


Here in this book of the law, Moses said a prophet would come and His words needs to be obeyed
Deut 18:15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17The Lord said to me: “What they say is good.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.
19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.


Here in the book of Jeremiah change in covenants is prophesied.

Jer 31:31¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

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Where is the banana in the tailpipe? We've taken time to give you honest answers, by putting OUR UNDERSTANDING OUT THERE.... When you put your text and understanding out there, is when we can reason together.

Respectfully
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

The good thing about posting scriptures is God's word is final........
An issue comes up when a poster uses text out of context and dont want to revisit their post.
Another issue comes up when a response is unrelated to Questions or Answers on the discussion at hand.

 

[Frogster]

So I see that you operate in the flesh and not the Spirit in faith believing. It takes no faith to obey the ten commandments.

Wow!!!!!

Exactly


12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Paul even called the law elemenatal in gal 4, it was a behavior system for the immature, that is why he said it was for those under pedagogues in gal 3.

Do this, don't do that..

How is that maturity, and walking by faith?

We are not law haters. We do have the law of Moses (includes the 10) in proper perspective. Oh in case you want to ask what the 10 means, it means the 10 commandments.


Would you explain how you have the 10 Commandments and that you keep them?

 

[Frogster]

ugh...Im not seeing any OT scripture there...so mind showing me again where it was written in OT Law that the Law was going to be thrown out the window? If you're going to reference Jeremiah 31:31-40 I'm with ya...would love to discuss it.

That was not the point of that particular post. It was to show that justification by faith, was on the OT. I was answering your question posed to Crybstyl.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The good thing about posting scriptures is God's word is final........
An issue comes up when a poster uses text out of context and dont want to revisit their post.
Another issue comes up when a response is unrelated to Questions or Answers on the discussion at hand.

That is one reason I am just lurking in this thread

 

[Frogster]

Are you saying that observing the Law of God is serving sin?

De funny thing about it is, the connection to law and sin.


56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


Do you notice how in these passages below, that they were imprisoned in sin...WHEN?


22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.


What released from de holding pen?


Faith..not law

 

[Frogster]

Oh look, twins!

Your teacher had twins.

 

[Frogster]

Jesus, Our Lord, slaughtered the Sabbath law along with the rest of the Jewish ceremonial laws...
...What remains in force is the Natural or Moral Law of God which is eternal.
...And is ( and has been ) in force eternally.

Victor is right, the ceremonial law was fulfilled by Christ and therefore slaughtered...
...The image Scripture casts of this is of a victor dragging the loosers body in a big show.
...Christ slaughtered the sabbath then desecrated it's corpus.

Romans 7 was about moral law.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Who would try to change the laws?

Daniel 7:25
He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.

Originally Posted by visionary How is trying to change the law, wearing the saints out?

I saw you made a thread on that.....

http://www.christianforums.com/t7492242/
wearing out the saints..

 

[Frogster]

A Roman punishment was to tie the offender to a dead body..

Hence..

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

 

[Frogster]

The good thing about posting scriptures is God's word is final........
An issue comes up when a poster uses text out of context and dont want to revisit their post.
Another issue comes up when a response is unrelated to Questions or Answers on the discussion at hand.

Your right! There is a vast amount to prove our point, where only prooftexting exists for the pro-law side of the isle.

 

[98cwitr]

Is this how you want to procede?

#420 You came to this thread claiming confusion about Matt 5 and Paul's we're not under the law"..... My first time ever talking to you was my response to your questions #433

I said... #441 Truth is....Change of the law was already written into the Law and the prophets.

You then asked respectfully




I replied....... #460
​

By NT making this claim in Romans 3, it prove that Matt 5:16-19 shows that change was written into the law.
ESV - Rom 3:21 -But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—


Here in this book of the law, Moses said a prophet would come and His words needs to be obeyed
Deut 18:15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”
17The Lord said to me: “What they say is good.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.
19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.


Here in the book of Jeremiah change in covenants is prophesied.

Jer 31:31¶Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

--------------------------------------END POST----------------------------------------------------------------
Where is the banana in the tailpipe? We've taken time to give you honest answers, by putting OUR UNDERSTANDING OUT THERE.... When you put your text and understanding out there, is when we can reason together.

Respectfully
CRIB

I'm still confused about Matthew 5, it says that if we do not follow the Law, specifically in verse 19, then we will be called least in Heaven (thus go to Hell). I don't understand this, if Christ is to redeem us from the Law, as Paul suggests, then why would He tell us to follow it? Christ gives us the command to love our neighbor, to show mercy, but how are we to know what this means? Since the Law shows us our sins, it is still good and useful. Paul even says 'in my inner being, I delight in God's Law.' Why would he delight in God's Law if it's no longer applicable?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A Roman punishment was to tie the offender to a dead body..

Hence..

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

Ummm...the Pope and Catholic Church

http://www.christianforums.com/t7436713-45/