Announcing the new Warning and Infraction system effective immediately

[Hentenza]

Shouldn't expired actions be automatically removed ?
What reason is there for not auto deleting expired actions ?

The issue is systemic. VBulleting is not coded to automatically remove them so, until the coding can be done, they will have to be removed manually.

 

[pgp_protector]

What warning system are you using on this site ?
I know that the AWS has a CRON job to do this automatically.
Advanced Warning System (AWS) - vBulletin.org Forum

 

[Hentenza]

What warning system are you using on this site ?
I know that the AWS has a CRON job to do this automatically.
Advanced Warning System (AWS) - vBulletin.org Forum

I'm not sure. That is Pauler's area. I know that he is still having issues with the database so nothing new is being installed or coded until the current issues are resolved. Thanks for the link.

 

[childofmercy]

removal requests made

I haven't logged in in a few days. I was so pleased to see this! Thank you so much. It may seem minor to some but it was a splotch to me. God bless!

 

[znr]

Please just ban everyone I disagree with. That's 25% of the forum - probably more. If you like I'd be more than happy to make a spreadsheet with little links to their profiles including the "offensive" posts.

As for my counseling PM demerit, I wear it like a badge. I hope it's showing. If not, please put it back.

I met MariaRegina because of it. So it's worth its weight in gold.

 

[~Beauty_from_Pain~]

I ask again: what is a counseling pm?

 

[Hentenza]

I ask again: what is a counseling pm?

Sorry, I missed your question. A counseling pm was the first level of moderation action when a post was found to have violated CF posting rules and it was design to instruct the member on the posting rules. It became redundant and abused. Members are solely responsible to peruse and know the posting rules prior to posting.

 

[Tishri1]

Sorry, I missed your question. A counseling pm was the first level of moderation action when a post was found to have violated CF posting rules and it was design to instruct the member on the posting rules. It became redundant and abused. Members are solely responsible to peruse and know the posting rules prior to posting.

I can vouch for staff they are a bunch of softies and yes yes they would use the CPM for everything if we let them,

only problem....that increased our reports(as no one learned to follow the CF rules for posting as you can guess) and our staff was then wipe out from massive amounts of work!, New system, no CPM, .....sorry but it will be soooo much nicer having less reports to action, our staff will be out there posting with everyone more that way

 

[Tishri1]

He still owns this place? Well I guess we'll just hafta call him Big Daddy P. then.

I LOVE THIS!!

 

[Tenebrae]

Removed.

Not that it really bothered me, however thank you to who ever removed the expired staff contacts from my profile

 

[pdudgeon]

Pam, you know that we don't have the manpower to do what you are asking me to do. We have to catch them as they come, however, anyone can go to the msc and ask to have their history looked at. This is the best that we can do with what the Lord has given us to work with for now.

ah yes, i knew it would eventually come back to that.."you know that we don't have the manpower to do what you are asking me to do."

and now that someone has seen the light, take a trip back back into your Admin archives and fire the person who suggested that 50-75 + staff members was way too many staffers to have on board to handle the needs of CF. and then fire the person who said we don't need Admins. because if you let that person stay on as staff, they will find a reason to eventually eliminate all positions except their own.

 

[pdudgeon]

but to go on and give you a workable, positive response, this is what is needed.

first off, the perspective on the problem needs to change.
the problem is not just that CF has too few staff members to do the job. the problem is that someone hasn't yet thought of or implimented a thought process that results in a fully equipped and working CF. So let's change that.

Start by listing what a fully equipped and working CF would look like.
Since that is the goal, you need to know and visualize exactly what it would entail and by what method or hallmarks you would recognize when you had reached that goal.

then for each area that you name, (eg, if outreach is one of the goals of a fully functioning Cf, then what does that outreach do and how do you recognize effective outreach?)

from that step, go ahead and break down exactly what is needed to reach each of your goals in terms of manpower, support, supervision, cost, etc.

try doing that for 6 months and see if CF is not in a better place than they are today.

 

[psalms 91]

ah yes, i knew it would eventually come back to that.."you know that we don't have the manpower to do what you are asking me to do."

and now that someone has seen the light, take a trip back back into your Admin archives and fire the person who suggested that 50-75 + staff members was way too many staffers to have on board to handle the needs of CF. and then fire the person who said we don't need Admins. because if you let that person stay on as staff, they will find a reason to eventually eliminate all positions except their own.

Or perhasps hire more people to take care of things

 

[Hentenza]

ah yes, i knew it would eventually come back to that.."you know that we don't have the manpower to do what you are asking me to do."

and now that someone has seen the light, take a trip back back into your Admin archives and fire the person who suggested that 50-75 + staff members was way too many staffers to have on board to handle the needs of CF. and then fire the person who said we don't need Admins. because if you let that person stay on as staff, they will find a reason to eventually eliminate all positions except their own.

The light of what? We have sufficient staff to do what it is designed to do. Can we use more? Sure, we have a global announcement that has been running for a while inviting folks to apply. I tell you what we don't need though is a top heavy moderation team like what we used to have. Too many folks get lost in that set up.

I am really not sure where you are heading here. We add staff as they apply and we loose staff as they leave or are removed for diverse reasons. Very few have been "fired" that I can recall. You know that. You were there.

Now, we have systemic issues that we have to work through. That is the reality of it but that can't stop us from doing our volunteer work. we have to work around those issues. We are doing our best to meet the needs of the membership here. If you disagree then there is not much else that I can say.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Or perhasps hire more people to take care of things

How bout Mod Secretaries?

 

[Tishri1]

coding is Pauler's responsibility and costs $$ so we dont need to push for everything we want(or that is suggested) when we know its going to take $$ to do every thing,

as far as staff , we do have enough right now to do all the staff requirements we have, and we always are training more


being on staff is not a walk in the park for everyone, it really does take dedication and in some cases a calling to be on long term

Pam you were always one I could see in this way(called and dedicated)

 

[Hentenza]

but to go on and give you a workable, positive response, this is what is needed.

first off, the perspective on the problem needs to change.
the problem is not just that CF has too few staff members to do the job. the problem is that someone hasn't yet thought of or implimented a thought process that results in a fully equipped and working CF. So let's change that.

Start by listing what a fully equipped and working CF would look like.
Since that is the goal, you need to know and visualize exactly what it would entail and by what method or hallmarks you would recognize when you had reached that goal.

then for each area that you name, (eg, if outreach is one of the goals of a fully functioning Cf, then what does that outreach do and how do you recognize effective outreach?)

from that step, go ahead and break down exactly what is needed to reach each of your goals in terms of manpower, support, supervision, cost, etc.

try doing that for 6 months and see if CF is not in a better place than they are today.

LOL!!! Pam, we are not a bunch of idiots here. You are looking at this from your perspective and agendas (yes, we all have one ) but there a more perspectives and agendas that just yours. The changes that we are doing are enacted based on careful study of the available data and direction that the owner, advisors, admins, staff, and membership want for this website.

I disagree with you that CF is heading in the wrong direction or that CF is somehow "worse". I see the numbers and get the complaints and kudos. You do not. This is all I am going to say about this.

 

[Tishri1]

we are actually running more efficiently than we have in years(staff wise)

i think

 

[servant of Merciful Love]

Having just been accepted as a new staff member, but having been here 2 years (and seeing the moderation of other forums), I agree CF today is better than what it was when I first came!

And now... personally seeing what goes on behind the scenes...you could not have a more dedicated, hard working CEO/staff, who truly cares for the well being of their members.

We are greatly blessed in the Christian community here

 

[pdudgeon]

LOL!!! Pam, we are not a bunch of idiots here. You are looking at this from your perspective and agendas (yes, we all have one ) but there a more perspectives and agendas that just yours. The changes that we are doing are enacted based on careful study of the available data and direction that the owner, advisors, admins, staff, and membership want for this website.

I disagree with you that CF is heading in the wrong direction or that CF is somehow "worse". I see the numbers and get the complaints and kudos. You do not. This is all I am going to say about this.

hey we agree upon something! yes, i am very much looking at this from a different perspective...a doctoral thesis on church growth done by my pastor and proven over a long time range (20 years) of continual growth with the numbers to back it up. believe me i wouldn't ask anyone to try something that wasn't already proven where the rubber meets the road in real life.

if you have something in place that works for you, great. and if your numbers show continual growth in existing member participation, well done.

thanks for your kind words, Tishri.