Basic Grammar for GT, Courtesy of Mel and GCC

[Thekla]

Well of course. They can and ought to recite orthodox doctrine.

The question is who can and ought constructively contribute to the ongoing debates.

Now, if the debate is "should we baptize infants," well, no one on this board has even thought up an argument one way or the other that hasn't been thought up before. So they might deploy a theological argument, and it may be the correct argument, but that doesn't make them a theologian. That makes them an apologist for a theological position.

Even the well educated (Basil the Great, etc.) were "reciting" Orthodox doctrine. We do not base theology on intellectual speculation !

Theology is experience of God iterated. It is what has been received and held and is thus defended. Thus, the illetrate, the unlearned, and the educated are all, through the experience of theosis "theologians".

And, in fact, in my experience, intellectual acuity is more often a road block to 'true theology'. On the other hand, people who are "less intellectual", or academic, can express - a 'true theology'.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I always think it best (in my own case) to copy paste scripture then

Which is what I do (accentuated in rainbow colors ofcourse)

I know what ya mean

Genesis 9:13 My rainbow I have given in the cloud, and it hath been for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth;
14 and it hath come to pass (in My sending a cloud over the earth) that the rainbow hath been seen in the cloud,

7198 qesheth keh'-sheth from 7185 in the original sense (of 6983) of bending: a bow, for shooting (hence, figuratively, strength) or the iris:--X arch(-er), + arrow, bow((-man, -shot)).

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another strong Messenger coming down out of the heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow/iriV <2463> upon the head, and his face as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire,

2463. iris ee'-ris perhaps from 2046 (as a symbol of the female messenger of the pagan deities); a rainbow ("iris"):--rainbow.

 

[Thekla]

Thinking that the OP is simply focusing on petty annoyances is missing the fact that many people here are NOT native english speakers, and if proper grammar isn't used, the point does NOT get across. If there were no problems in understanding, you might have a point, but the whole reason for this thread is because there ARE difficulties in understanding.

I do think that's a matter of developing the readerly "ear". It's just a matter of practice - and this 'attunes the ear', and 'opens the brain' to the ability to not assume one knows what is being conveyed even when the syntax is "correct". I've lived most of my life in the NE. After moving south, I found that it took me some time to figure out how to ask a question.

And there is a great benefit in asking, and in 'puzzling out' !

(I do insist my children translate their Greek exercises into English literally. In this way, they learn also Greek syntax in a more familiar form - their native language. Their natural impulse is not to translate literally, but into an English syntax.)

 

[Fireinfolding]

I know what ya mean

Genesis 9:13 My rainbow I have given in the cloud, and it hath been for a token of a covenant between Me and the earth;
14 and it hath come to pass (in My sending a cloud over the earth) that the rainbow hath been seen in the cloud,

7198 qesheth keh'-sheth from 7185 in the original sense (of 6983) of bending: a bow, for shooting (hence, figuratively, strength) or the iris:--X arch(-er), + arrow, bow((-man, -shot)).

Revelation 10:1 And I saw another strong Messenger coming down out of the heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow/iriV <2463> upon the head, and his face as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire,

2463. iris ee'-ris perhaps from 2046 (as a symbol of the female messenger of the pagan deities); a rainbow ("iris"):--rainbow.

Yeah... see that? He gives the rainbow (in the cloud) which are like colorful witnesses

 

[simonthezealot]

Good thread .

It brings up *my* opinion of grammar freaks ... they are disingenuous . Language is for communication . If something can be understood as is , then the message performed it's created job . Context can help solve some ambiguous statements . Questions can help solve the rest . If one can correct a statement , then the message was received - no need for corrections . If one truly doesn't understand a statement , they would have no idea how to correct it . Correcting someone is merely an excuse to side-track a thread . It takes away any credibility of the one doing the correcting as they show that they are more interested having their way with the wording than the message of the post .

English is a blankety-blank ( fill in with your favorite negative term ) language - wierd rules and pronunciations and far too many exceptions to rules . And , it is constantly changing . Everyone who uses it must deal with that . Language was made as a tool for communication . And , a tool is not always used as recommended . The owner can use it for whatever use they desire . The English/British are great at manipulating the language for jokes and riddles . If grammar freaks would have their way , most humor would be banned .

Let us continue as we have been . The grammar freaks can ignore the English-usage commoners . And , the English-usage commoners can ignore the grammar freaks .

QFT

Spelling on the other hand, get a spell checker people.

 

[Polycarp1]

I wonder if our ancient cousins back in year dot had a discussion about the correct use of grammar. I mean their scribal ability was rather questionable. I mean look at Codex Sinaiticus - all capitals, no punctuation, no space between words - how could you apply grammar? Note the comments in the margins.

Yeah, and people have been arguing about what it really meant ever since!

 

[Fireinfolding]

My kind of of reading lol

 

[andross77]

Thinking that the OP is simply focusing on petty annoyances is missing the fact that many people here are NOT native english speakers, and if proper grammar isn't used, the point does NOT get across. If there were no problems in understanding, you might have a point, but the whole reason for this thread is because there ARE difficulties in understanding.

Re-reading the OP and subsequent posts I can't identify one grievance that would cause misunderstanding that would be DETRIMENTAL to the message trying to be conveyed. Weather or not they're posts are written good does not effect the message (<---i loved writing that sentence! i can feel the wincing from all the grammar nazi's).

If you can show where their/there/they're or lay/lie or "me and Mel/Mel and I" or good/well would keep you from understanding what someone is trying to communicate, than (<---LOL ) you might have a valid point. Otherwise, it's complaining for complaining sake.

Pravorbz 12:16

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeah, and people have been arguing about what it really meant ever since!

Can ya blame 'em

 

[simonthezealot]

Can ya blame 'em

C'mon Bro this thread smells like dead carcass why bump? so the fresh air would speed the rotting i suppose...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

C'mon Bro this thread smells like dead carcass why bump? so the fresh air would speed the rotting i suppose...

As Josey Wales once said in a movie
"buzzards have to eat, same as the worm"

Deut 28:26 and becomes carcass of thee to food for every flyer of the heavens, and for beast of the land, and there is none causing trembling.

Luke 17:37 And answering they are saying to Him, "Where Lord"?
The yet He said to them, "the-where the carcass, there also the eagles/vultures/aetoi <105> shall be being together gathered"
[Deuteronomy 28:26]

YouTube - The Outlaw Josey Wales - Buzzards Gotta Eat, Same As Worms

 

[Tangible]

This: Stephen Fry on language. [VIDEO]

 

[ivebeenshown]

Anti-color = the devil. Kidding, of course.

 

[Polycarp1]

Anyone who posts in pale pink has likely not thought through what they're saying and has no regard for whether others can read it. It can therefore reasonably be ignored.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Anyone who posts in pale pink has likely not thought through what they're saying and has no regard for whether others can read it. It can therefore reasonably be ignored.

Why use pink when you can go all the way and use white?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Anyone who posts in pale pink has likely not thought through what they're saying and has no regard for whether others can read it. It can therefore reasonably be ignored.

In that case, I now put you on ignore

Christian Forums - View Single Post - Nicene Creed -- what's yer beef?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Anyone who posts in pale pink has likely not thought through what they're saying and has no regard for whether others can read it. It can therefore reasonably be ignored.

I can understand that, as well as YELLOW and WHITE and any really light colors.

But bold, rich colors like this are very useful.

In small doses, of course. I find that this color is very useful for setting apart passages of scripture or other writings...

...and this color is also most excellent for doing that as well.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Anti-color = the devil. Kidding, of course.

Colors rock

Not everyone agrees obviously

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Colors rock

Not everyone agrees obviously

I like color myself

 

[Fireinfolding]

You told me you didnt Lamb