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I have no objection to employing appropriate grammar. On the other hand, there are many I have interacted with over the years who have not, and yet have such a strong and beautiful faith ... their love for Christ overcame their (mis)use of the language.

I would hate to have this goal silence anyone !

Thats too cute!! Its also scriptural to seek after wisdom as well

1Cr 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:^_^


1Cr 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

God sometimes can chose foolish things to confound the wise amen? :thumbsup: Its certainly not beyond God to do that very thing.

Good thing Christ is made unto us the Wisdom of God:thumbsup: and God chose to save others through the foolishness of preaching him as the same. Which is also said not to be with wisdom of words or as coming to them with excellency of speech.

Foolishness then, to the Greeks if they seek after wisdom would make sense if thats exactly what they are seeking and not many wise are called.

That "comforts" me ^_^ (I claim none) lol
 
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Thats too cute!! Its also scriptural to seek after wisdom as well

1Cr 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:^_^


1Cr 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

God sometimes can chose foolish things to confound the wise amen? :thumbsup: Its certainly not beyond God to do that very thing.

Good thing Christ is made unto us the Wisdom of God:thumbsup: and God chose to save others through the foolishness of preaching him as the same. Which is also said not to be with wisdom of words or as coming to them with excellency of speech.

Foolishness then, to the Greeks if they seek after wisdom would make sense if thats exactly what they are seeking and not many wise are called.

That "comforts" me ^_^ (I claim none) lol

Exactly !

God chose a stutterer for His spokesman to Pharaoh, and a bunch of illiterate fisherman to preach His revelation !

And the deepest of all the Gospels, the Gospel of John- at least from what I remember - has the simplest vocabulary.
 
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Exactly !

God chose a stutterer for His spokesman to Pharaoh, and a bunch of illiterate fisherman to preach His revelation !

And the deepest of all the Gospels, the Gospel of John- at least from what I remember - has the simplest vocabulary.

:thumbsup: Amen sis... Speaks also of the simplicity which is in Christ.

Thank God He made Him Wisdom for us, because the wisdom of the world which is inclusive of the scribe, He through the Wisdom of God made foolish.
 
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:thumbsup: Amen sis... Speaks also of the simplicity which is in Christ.

Thank God He made Him Wisdom for us, because the wisdom of the world which is inclusive of the scribe, He through the Wisdom of God made foolish.

Hope it's okay (as I know you prefer Scripture :thumbsup:)

but this reminds me of the hymn we sing at Pentecost (which I like :))

Blessed art You O Christ Our God
You have revealed the fishermen as most wise
By sending down upon them the Holy Spirit
Through them You drew the world into Your net
O Lover of man, Glory to You!
 
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Misspelled thread titles drive me nuts.:D:cool:
Me too!

Hey Grammarnaz- I mean Grammar Experts ;), how 'bout a quick rundown on LAY and LIE?

I agree that I find it hard to take seriously those rare individuals who don't even try to use correct spelling and grammar. Most folks may slip now and then, but you can tell where their heart is at.

Another important consideration is register. People use language differently depending on how formal or informal they want to sound at any given time. There is a wide difference of opinion as to which register is appropriate for online forums. Some prefer a very formal register, while others prefer a very colloquial one. I'm probably more of a business-casual register kind of guy. For the most part I write the way I speak in a normal conversation.

Confession: I probably use too many commas.

(I'm glad you didn't throw the one in about ending sentences with a preposition. That one has be thoroughly debunked.)

Oh, and one more thing - people who quote the KJV should be required to write all accompanying texts and comments in grammatically, culturally and chronologically correct 17th Century English.
 
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Nothing ruins your argument and credibility more than a poorly phrased post. If your post looks like a 2nd grader wrote it, it doesn't matter how good your argument is. I'm far, FAR less likely to take you seriously. So, because I'm a grammar freak and twitch and die a little every time somebody confuses your and you're, a basic grammar (and posting) lesson for all the denizens of GT:

1. your and you're
your = possessive. I have your book.
you're = you are.
Correct: You're a nice person.
WRONG: Your not listening.

2. there, their, and they're
there = location. My book is over there
their = possessive. I have their book
they're = they are. They're right here = They are right here.
Correct: They're over there.
WRONG: There over there.

(GCC's contributions start here)

3. To, too, and two.
To' is a word that goes in front of an indirect object, that is, a noun that receives the action of the verb. In the sentence "I gave a monkey to Tommy," the monkey is the thing you gave, but Tommy was the recipient of the monkey. Thus, to Tommy. 'To' can also be used on the front of a verb in order to make that verb into a concept or idea, and thus a thing or noun. Thus, in 'I want to give,' 'want' is the verb, and 'to give' is the thing you want to give. It is the direct object of the verb.
'Too' just means 'also.' "I want to give a monkey to Sally, too," means that you want to give a monkey to Sally as well as Tommy.
And two is the number 2. "I want to give two monkeys to Tommy and to Sally, too.

(GCC's contributions end here)

4. Punctuation. Seriously, a period goes a long way. A sentence should have a subject, verb, and a few phrases or clauses separated by commas. A general rule of thumb: unless you have really mastered the art of punctuation, a sentence should not be more than two lines. If I go five lines without seeing a period, something is seriously wrong.

5. Spell Checker. Now, because I'm nice, I'm not demanding that everyone learn how to spell. I'm just asking you to use a spell checker. Remember: every time a word is spelled incorrectly, GCC kills a kitten, because he's mean like that. (Current pet peeve: it's "literal," not "litteral.")

6. Colors. Just...don't. The only color I should see in your posts is black. If there is any red, purple, green, yellow (let's not even mention pink), I will pretend your post never existed. And go easy on the bold, italics, and underlining. If there is more of those in your post than plain text, I won't read it either. Go easy on my poor eyes.
^_^ You and I share the first three grammatical mixups as pet peeves. :p ^_^ about the colors. ^_^
 
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I have no objection to employing appropriate grammar. On the other hand, there are many I have interacted with over the years who have not, and yet have such a strong and beautiful faith ... their love for Christ overcame their (mis)use of the language.

I would hate to have this goal silence anyone !
:thumbsup: :D And sometimes people write and make errors they wouldn't usually make, but are writing in a time when they are very focused and passionate and get carried away. :blush: :D
 
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Tangible said:
Hey Grammarnaz- I mean Grammar Experts
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, how 'bout a quick rundown on LAY and LIE?

Geez, we just went over this in Greek class, and I already forget the difference. I'll get right on it, though. *pulls out Fowler's*

Confession: I probably use too many commas.
Me too.

Oh, and one more thing - people who quote the KJV should be required to write all accompanying texts and comments in grammatically, culturally and chronologically correct 17th Century English.
Haaaahaha! ^_^
 
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You'll notice that neither Mel nor I discussed 'it's' vs. 'its,' while we did discuss 'your' vs. 'you're.'

That is because your and you're are actually spelled differently. We have chosen to regard the use of 'its' in place of 'it's' as not worth the hassle because this is an online forum. We're not stick-in-the-muds.

Oh, but "Mel nor I" reminds me, we need to get to discuss the use of pronouns in the use of conjoining clauses.
 
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^_^ You and I share the first three grammatical mixups as pet peeves. :p ^_^ about the colors. ^_^

And I like the colors and actually wish folks would use them because my vision is far from 20/20 and they aid me in seeing whereas those with 20/20 they might blind them.

By them (the colors) the blind (like me) see and them who see (unlike me) are made blind (by the same)...thats even sorta funny ^_^

My sight (bad enough as it is) along with my screen resolution which I sometimes need to slide back and forth in order to read a post (line by line) I also have a very bad back. And as I have said before on this forum I sometimes do need to post laying down on my belly when I am unable to sit (as I cannot sit always for longer then 30 minutes at a time) or I must stand (which I will do most of the time).

Its quite difficult being me ^_^ (kidding)

So I am limited in my vocabulary, vision, and then facing people mad at my colors on top of it lol Not to mention my back making additional demands of me (along side of other parts affected) depending on position Im posting in. I would guess (not all) but "the typical poster" might not have to deal with some of those things but which make it much harder for me (personally). And I dont wish to complain either, its just the way it is and I manage and better then some other (no doubt)

Then I love it when ya gotta buck up while people start on your colored posts, saying "your posts look like a superman comic" (and the like, I do laugh too) and without trying to make them feel like poop ya need to respond, "I like them colors thats why" (~so there~) Then they can keep their dignity in tact at the expense of mine ^_^

Thats often why I underline too, often writing in an e-mail first in bigger letters then transferring my post to the reply box, weird maybe, but thats just weird me lol
 
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I wonder if our ancient cousins back in year dot had a discussion about the correct use of grammar. I mean their scribal ability was rather questionable. I mean look at Codex Sinaiticus - all capitals, no punctuation, no space between words - how could you apply grammar? Note the comments in the margins.
 
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Hope it's okay (as I know you prefer Scripture :thumbsup:)

but this reminds me of the hymn we sing at Pentecost (which I like :))

Blessed art You O Christ Our God
You have revealed the fishermen as most wise
By sending down upon them the Holy Spirit
Through them You drew the world into Your net
O Lover of man, Glory to You!

Nice poetry, I have written poetry in trying to expound pictures that I wasnt able to speak very clearly, but it worked for me:thumbsup:

Im no prose type person but more of a simplistic rhymer, you know, "Jack and Jill went up the hill" (type) whatever works ^_^
 
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I wonder if our ancient cousins back in year dot had a discussion about the correct use of grammar. I mean their scribal ability was rather questionable. I mean look at Codex Sinaiticus - all capitals, no punctuation, no space between words - how could you apply grammar? Note the comments in the margins.

That was standard scribal grammar. It was considered proper to the task at hand.

THISISNTSTANDARDWRITTENENGLISHGRAMMARITISNTPROPERATALL

and niether iz this! lolz!!11
 
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