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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Basic Grammar for GT, Courtesy of Mel and GCC

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Nothing ruins your argument and credibility more than a poorly phrased post. If your post looks like a 2nd grader wrote it, it doesn't matter how good your argument is. I'm far, FAR less likely to take you seriously. So, because I'm a grammar freak and twitch and die a little every time somebody confuses your and you're, a basic grammar (and posting) lesson for all the denizens of GT:


Well, learn to relax and not take yourself so seriously.

Repent and God will forgive your "twitching, being a freak(grammar that is) and premature dying! ;)
 
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The Scriptures written by the apostles, however, don't show particularly poor grammar, and in many cases is of the highest quality. Even simpler grammatical forms such as one finds in John is of a lower register, not a lower quality.

Moreover, Paul didn't confuse anyone due to his proper use of language. He was confusing because of the subtlety and nuance of the concepts in which he was working.

That's my take, anyway.

I don't mean to suggest that everyone needs to speak (or type) in a high register. Formal word word order devoid of colloquialisms and common idioms can be tiresome and even pedantic, especially in a discussion. Good grammar doesn't mean formality; it means making language clear through the use of proper punctuation. Now of course, there are debates over what constitutes clarity (for instance, whether to use the Oxford comma), but these debates are between people who understand that grammar is there to clarify, not to confuse.

An example using the Oxford comma:

If you leave out the Oxford comma (a comma that precedes "and" prior to the final item in a series) you can create serious ambiguities. Thus, "My usual breakfast is coffee, bacon and eggs and toast," can mean either "My usual breakfast is coffee, [the mix of] bacon and eggs, with toast" or "My usual breakfast is coffee, bacon, and eggs on toast." By putting a comma before the last item in the series (whether "eggs and toast" or just "toast") you remove ambiguity which can confuse your readers. It's not necessarily formal; it isn't ostentatious; it just helps clarify one's meaning.

Another example, this time using words:

"To lie" in the sense of "lie down to sleep" means that you, the actor, have performed the action of lying down to sleep [the verb is intransitive]. "To lay" in the sense of "lay down to sleep" means that some other actor has put you into bed [that is, the verb is transitive]. This is simple enough, but it gets confusing before the English language has evolved in such a way that both words change in overlapping ways depending on the time referent. The past tense of the present verb "lie" is "lay," and the past tense of the present verb "lay" is "laid." If you don't know this rule and you're writing about, say, Jesus in the tomb, you can see how you might paint a confusing picture of who is doing what and when without properly expressing yourself.

Anyway, that's why we created this thread. There are already enough problems with people understanding each other, whether in politics or, especially, on this forum. No need to let deficiencies in actual communication get in the way of healthy debates.

I guess creating a CF version of The Little, Brown Handbook might be helpful. ;):cool:
 
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Proper punctuation saves lives:

Let's eat, Grandma!
Let's eat Grandma!
Gives new meaning to John 6 :)

John 6:56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard [this,] said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"
 
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