Famous Scientists who believed in Poppycock

[Freodin]

Ya -- me.

And adhering to the tenet God said it -- that settles it does no impede scientific progress whatsoever.

At least, not that I know of anyway.

Don´t you always flaunt your scientific ignorance? Have you not several times been shown to be wrong on scientific topics and yet you keep on repeating the same mistakes?

Yes, this mindset does hinder scientific progress... in this case, your own.


Now you don´t have a lot of influence, especially not in the scientific world. But once this mindset had been dominant, even in "educated" circles (which meant ecclesial in the medival era) and it stiffled scientific progress.

And it is still the dominant mindset of the creationists. They just can´t free themselves from the appeal to authority... going so far that they cannot even fathom that their scientific minded opponents don´t cling to the same view.

 

[AV1611VET]

Israel and the united states are the only two on your list not from ancient history, which is a poor start for you.

I don't know enough about Israel to speak for them, but I doubt they'd call themselves creationist.

The US is not a creationist nation. It has a large minority of fundamentalism in the bible belt, but they hardly represent the nation, or the reason the US is a superpower. The US is a superpower in spite of its backward creationist areas not because of them.

You can talk yourself out of understanding my point, but you cannot talk me out of it.

Ukgrace's point in Post 53 can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don´t you always flaunt your scientific ignorance?

I don't know if I 'flaunt' it -- I certainly emphasize it to make the point that I'm not called to be a scientist; but I don't think I 'flaunt' it.

Have you not several times been shown to be wrong on scientific topics and yet you keep on repeating the same mistakes?

That's because I either didn't remember the correct version of the science I was corrected on, or it didn't matter to the point I was making, or both.

Yes, this mindset does hinder scientific progress... in this case, your own.

It doesn't take much to hinder my 'scientific progress' -- you can blame it on my 'religion', but you'll only end up confusing yourself.

I don't know trigonometry, but it's certainly not because I believe God created the universe in six literal days.

You can think that if you want, but like I said, it'll only confuse you, not me.

Now you don´t have a lot of influence, especially not in the scientific world.

And for that, you can count the scientific world grateful.

But once this mindset had been dominant, even in "educated" circles (which meant ecclesial in the medival era) and it stiffled scientific progress.

Nope -- not even close.

As I have shown before, Aristotle stunted the growth of science for 2000 years; and I've already shown how such concepts as a flat earth and geocentrism did not come from the Scriptures, but from direct observation.

I even have a thread on those where I beg and beg and beg you guys to keep the Bible out of the conversation in order to make the point that flat earth and geocentrism are scientific, not religious, concepts.

And it is still the dominant mindset of the creationists.

What is?

They just can´t free themselves from the appeal to authority... going so far that they cannot even fathom that their scientific minded opponents don´t cling to the same view.

Our jails are full of people who have 'freed themselves from authority'.

 

[Split Rock]

Riiight -- the most powerful nations on the face of this earth have been creationist nations.

This is as useless a comment as listing all the 16th century scientists who were creationists.

 

[Cabal]

As I have shown before, Aristotle stunted the growth of science for 2000 years; and I've already shown how such concepts as a flat earth and geocentrism did not come from the Scriptures, but from direct observation.

Not from your personal interpretation of the scriptures, perhaps. But for those at the time, it could well have been their own interpretation.

And the fact remains that the Scripture used to support these interpretations is ambiguous on the matter at best - but that's what you get when you try and use a line of poetry to try and score points against science. Best to just leave well alone at that, the Bible not being a science text in any way and all.

Our jails are full of people who have 'freed themselves from authority'.

So....what, scientists are a step away from criminals now?

 

[Freodin]

Nope -- not even close.

As I have shown before, Aristotle stunted the growth of science for 2000 years; and I've already shown how such concepts as a flat earth and geocentrism did not come from the Scriptures, but from direct observation.

Shown? You have made the claim... and I denied it.

But pray tell me: how do you think Aristotle managed to personally stunt scientific growth for 2000 years? That would mean that he was more than twice the age of Methusalem... and that even though he died in 322 BC. Must have been a wierd person.

So how did he do it?

Our jails are full of people who have 'freed themselves from authority'.

Did I write "appeal to authority"? Yes, I did! Do you know what that means? I think so! Are you being deliberately obtuse to prevent having to concede a point? YOU BET!

 

[AV1611VET]

This is as useless a comment as listing all the 16th century scientists who were creationists.

Sure it is -- to someone who refuses to understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not from your personal interpretation of the scriptures, perhaps. But for those at the time, it could well have been their own interpretation.

I'm not going to rehash this, Cabal, but I made the point some time ago that, sans Scripture, you guys would still have taught geocentrism and flat earth.

I don't really remember, but I tried to discuss this without invoking the Bible, but to no avail.

You people are too confused (or stubborn) to recognize the source of your own teachings.

And the fact remains that the Scripture used to support these interpretations is ambiguous on the matter at best...

Bologna -- it's 'ambiguous at best' because of where the ambiguity comes from -- and I'll stop here.

So....what, scientists are a step away from criminals now?

Well, when I see you guys whine and whimper about how God didn't have any right to put a tree here, or to tell people to vacate the land, or give hundreds of years warning, or want the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns, etc. and so ad-nauseum forth; I get the impression that anarchy was tailor-made for you all.

 

[Cabal]

I'm not going to rehash this, Cabal, but I made the point some time ago that, sans Scripture, you guys would still have taught geocentrism and flat earth.

Right, and? Religionists are the ones who KEPT ON believing it once evidence to the contrary was found, and who are centuries behind the rest of the class.

I don't really remember, but I tried to discuss this without invoking the Bible, but to no avail.

You people are too confused (or stubborn) to recognize the source of your own teachings.

So you don't really remember details about a fairly weak point you made, but you're happy to call "us people" confused and stubborn?

There's a forest in your eye that needs harvesting, methinks.

Bologna -- it's 'ambiguous at best' because of where the ambiguity comes from -- and I'll stop here.

Describing the world as a circle (i.e. either a 2D object or a 2D projection of a 3D object) IS ambiguous. It's fine for poetry, but when people act like the Bible is prescient on certain scientific matters and use poetic verses like the one usually touted in Isaiah, that doesn't chime.

Well, when I see you guys whine and whimper about how God didn't have any right to put a tree here, or to tell people to vacate the land, or give hundreds of years warning, or want the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns, etc. and so ad-nauseum forth; I get the impression that anarchy was tailor-made for you all.

"You guys" being who, exactly? Scientists? That include the Christian ones, the many other religious ones?

It's nice to know that you view the mere putting forward of a different theological viewpoint or reminders that a country has a secular government as equivalent to all the other myriad horrible acts that will get you put in prison in most civilised countries.

What's the betting you'll make some post soon about how terribly persecuted Christians by those eeebil scientists? When you do, I'll be sure to remind you of this post where you think all "us guys" don't value law and order.

You might want to stop generalising while you're ahead.

 

[Split Rock]

Sure it is -- to someone who refuses to understand.

No, I understand your sophistry all too well.

Well, when I see you guys whine and whimper about how God didn't have any right to put a tree here, or to tell people to vacate the land, or give hundreds of years warning, or want the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns, etc. and so ad-nauseum forth; I get the impression that anarchy was tailor-made for you all.

We are a nation of Laws, not a nation of The Bible. And thank God for that!

 

[Bushido216]

A plane that is flying at a constant velocity is not accelerating in any direction. Acceleration is the rate of change in velocity, and the rate of change is zero. It makes no more sense to simultaneously accelerate in opposite directions than it does to simultaneously travel toward the east and towards the west, or to simultaneously be 100 miles east of here and 100 miles west of here. Velocity is just the time derivative of position, and acceleration is just the time derivative of velocity; you're really only in one place at a time, and you really only travel and accelerate in one direction at a time.

Where it does make sense to sum opposing vectors is in the force. The plane is subject to forces in several directions, which sum to zero.

Agonaces really outdid himself on this one, by the way. It's hard to believe that anyone could know enough about Newton's laws and theory of gravity to state the objection, and yet be so completely clueless about what they mean. But it's also hard to believe anyone would go to the trouble of pretending to be so clueless, and in such complex, idiosyncratic ways. This is an intellectual puzzle I have no interest in pursuing.

Note, by the way, that Newton was perfectly familiar with heavier-than-air flight. Birds were invented well before Newton's time (by the ancient Phoenicians, if I'm not mistaken.)

Simmer down chief. I got the terms wrong but the basic point remains. It's not falling towards earth is the result of up-thrust. If there was no up, it'd be on the ground.

 

[AV1611VET]

Simmer down chief. I got the terms wrong but the basic point remains. It's not falling towards earth is the result of up-thrust. If there was no up, it'd be on the ground.

From my days studying aerodynamics:

There are four forces an airplane experiences; and for the plane to get off the ground:

1. Thrust must overcome drag.
2. Lift must overcome gravity.

 

[MoonLancer]

Our jails are full of people who have 'freed themselves from authority'

guess who is the most numerous demographic in jail? thats right, Christians. They feel that the countries laws do not apply to them. Kent Hovand is in jail btw. Thought he didn't need to pay taxes for his company and tried to hide his tax evasion behind a bible. fun.

Well, when I see you guys whine and whimper about how God didn't have any right to put a tree here, or to tell people to vacate the land, or give hundreds of years warning, or want the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns, etc. and so ad-nauseum forth; I get the impression that anarchy was tailor-made for you all.

So if a courthouse doesn't have the ten commandments at its door step its anarchy? You should move to the middle east. They really love their theocracy over there.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I'm not going to rehash this, Cabal, but I made the point some time ago that, sans Scripture, you guys would still have taught geocentrism and flat earth.

It's funny, AV -- but I remember that thread, and I remember your "point" being soundly refuted and deservedly mocked.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

From my days studying aerodynamics:

There are four forces an airplane experiences; and for the plane to get off the ground:

1. Thrust must overcome drag.
2. Lift must overcome gravity.

Aerodynamics can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

guess who is the most numerous demographic in jail? thats right, Christians.

I wonder why?

Could it be because there are more Christians than atheists in this Christian nation?

They feel that the countries laws do not apply to them.

I'll do you a favor and not ask for your source of information.

Kent Hovand is in jail btw.

He is?

Thought he didn't need to pay taxes for his company and tried to hide his tax evasion behind a bible.

Ya -- and the Bible didn't hide him, did It?

In fact:

Mt 22:21 Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

fun.

Or sad.

So if a courthouse doesn't have the ten commandments at its door step its anarchy?

If a courthouse was displaying the Ten Commandments, and an atheist complained; the atheist, in my opinion, is displaying spiritual anarchy.

You should move to the middle east.

No, thanks -- the middle east is moving here.

England should know that well.

They really love their theocracy over there.

I'll bet.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I wonder why?

Could it be because there are more Christians than atheists in this Christian nation?

I'll do you a favor and not ask for your source of information.

He is?

Ya -- and the Bible didn't hide him, did It?

In fact:

Mt 22:21 Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Or sad.

If a courthouse was displaying the Ten Commandments, and an atheist complained; the atheist, in my opinion, is displaying spiritual anarchy.

No, thanks -- the middle east is moving here.

England should know that well.

I'll bet.

One theocracy is as evil as the next.

 

[AV1611VET]

Aerodynamics can take a hike.

Oh, it will -- at the Rapture.

That 'shout' that the Bible speaks about in 1 Thessalonians; my pastor says is the shout of, "STAND ASIDE!"

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout...

 

[AV1611VET]

One theocracy is as evil as the next.

The diabolical mimicked ones are.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Oh, it will -- at the Rapture.

That 'shout' that the Bible speaks about in 1 Thessalonians; my pastor says is the shout of, "STAND ASIDE!"

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout...

And you'll shout back, "TAKE A HIKE!"