Famous Scientists who believed in Poppycock

[Split Rock]

daniel faraday

Not fair.... no scientist could possibly predict anything correctly about that island!

 

[Hespera]

You have a real problem with engineers, don't you, AVET?? Too bad the O.P. asked about scientists.

how will we ever explain this? who do we blame?

 

[Split Rock]

how will we ever explain this? who do we blame?

A. Photoshop
B. SATAN, the dragon-beast/ talking serpent
C. Sin/ Adam
D. Poor fisherman who happen to live in Indonesia
E. Homosexuals
F. Those ly'in scientist/engineers/doctors/beaurocrates/architects

 

[AV1611VET]

how will we ever explain this?

Pffft -- that's kid stuff.

Watch this:

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

 

[sfs]

They are accelerating towards Earth. They're also accelerating up and in whatever direction they're travelling in. Any planes flight is a result of net acceleration. In other words, in order for a plane to fly (parallel to the ground) it needs to accelerate (towards space) at 9.8 mps/s. The net result of the same acceleration in two different directions is zero, which is how a plane maintains altitude.

A plane travelling in any direction is accelerating up, down, and forwards. The up and down cancel out, leaving just forwards (which I know is really a curve, just go with it).

A plane that is flying at a constant velocity is not accelerating in any direction. Acceleration is the rate of change in velocity, and the rate of change is zero. It makes no more sense to simultaneously accelerate in opposite directions than it does to simultaneously travel toward the east and towards the west, or to simultaneously be 100 miles east of here and 100 miles west of here. Velocity is just the time derivative of position, and acceleration is just the time derivative of velocity; you're really only in one place at a time, and you really only travel and accelerate in one direction at a time.

Where it does make sense to sum opposing vectors is in the force. The plane is subject to forces in several directions, which sum to zero.

Agonaces really outdid himself on this one, by the way. It's hard to believe that anyone could know enough about Newton's laws and theory of gravity to state the objection, and yet be so completely clueless about what they mean. But it's also hard to believe anyone would go to the trouble of pretending to be so clueless, and in such complex, idiosyncratic ways. This is an intellectual puzzle I have no interest in pursuing.

Note, by the way, that Newton was perfectly familiar with heavier-than-air flight. Birds were invented well before Newton's time (by the ancient Phoenicians, if I'm not mistaken.)

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Pffft -- that's kid stuff.

Watch this:

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

How hot is "fervent heat," exactly?

 

[AV1611VET]

How hot is "fervent heat," exactly?

Hot enough to do its job.

Fahrenheit 451 to paper.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Pffft -- that's kid stuff.

Watch this:

Looks like someone taught their 9-year old how to photoshop. What exactly are we looking at that merits a rodent's posterior?

 

[AV1611VET]

What exactly are we looking at that merits a rodent's posterior?

Nothing.

 

[Freodin]

Aristotle's explanation of earth, air, fire and water stunted the growth of science for 2000 years.

This is not quite correct.

What "stunted the growth of science" was the mindset that held authority in higher regard than observation. So it was not what Aristotle said, but that later generations thought (to paraphrase a well-known poster here) "Aristotle said it - that settles it"

These people stunted the growth of science.

Do you know of any people with a mindset like that, AV?

 

[MoonLancer]

Was is past tense. Presently it's Darwin that is stunting the growth of science.

Sorry. With creationists war on science you will find many of them hoping for another dark ages, while the other half dont realize that what they are doing is agitating a second dark age.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you know of any people with a mindset like that, AV?

Ya -- me.

And adhering to the tenet God said it -- that settles it does no impede scientific progress whatsoever.

At least, not that I know of anyway.

 

[ukgrace]

And adhering to the tenet God said it -- that settles it does no impede scientific progress whatsoever.

At least, not that I know of anyway.

Teaching children that the Bible is the absolute truth is tantamount to child abuse because it comes into conflict with reality, creationism numbs the brain and stops it growing and for what? it's not enough to make your children religious you need to turn them into religious freaks, creationism is an embarrassment to America and Christianity, you make a laughing stock of one and become a deterrent to the other.

 

[AV1611VET]

Teaching children that the Bible is the absolute truth is tantamount to child abuse because it comes into conflict with reality, creationism numbs the brain and stops it growing and for what? it's not enough to make your children religious you need to turn them into religious freaks, creationism is an embarrassment to America and Christianity, you make a laughing stock of one and become a deterrent to the other.

Riiight -- the most powerful nations on the face of this earth have been creationist nations.

 

[ukgrace]

AV1611VET, your count alone tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Cabal]

Isaac Newton - good physicist, not quite so good an alchemist.

Evidence against alchemy - pretty much all experimental chemistry within the last 300 years.

While there isn't enough scope for a thread entitled "Famous Scientists who creationists that uncritically read AiG think were Christian but on closer inspection turned out to be raging heretics", I quite like using Newton as an object lesson when this creationist canard gets wheeled out, as Newton was an Arianist.

This is not quite correct.

What "stunted the growth of science" was the mindset that held authority in higher regard than observation. So it was not what Aristotle said, but that later generations thought (to paraphrase a well-known poster here) "Aristotle said it - that settles it"

These people stunted the growth of science.

Do you know of any people with a mindset like that, AV?

Showing my ignorance here, but did Aristotle actually come up with anything correct on the scientific front?

Teaching children that the Bible is the absolute truth is tantamount to child abuse because it comes into conflict with reality, creationism numbs the brain and stops it growing and for what? it's not enough to make your children religious you need to turn them into religious freaks, creationism is an embarrassment to America and Christianity, you make a laughing stock of one and become a deterrent to the other.

Well, my 3-month ban elapses and I see they're still letting consol back in like there's a catflap installed. Good to know.

Riiight -- the most powerful nations on the face of this earth have been creationist nations.

Like Russia and China.

Waaaaaaait....

 

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET, your count alone tells me all I need to know about you.

Interesting -- you must be some judge of character.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like Russia and China.

Oh, I think I can come up with better ones; like Egypt, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Israel and the United States.

 

[Cabal]

Oh, I think I can come up with better ones; like Egypt, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Israel and the United States.

Aw, I don't even get a hug? fien

Well, too bad, AV - you made a universal statement, which means only one counterexample is needed to show it up to be wrong - and I found two.

Nice try, but try again, eh?






*sigh*

Man, it's good to be back....

 

[Tomatoman]

Oh, I think I can come up with better ones; like Egypt, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Israel and the United States.

Israel and the united states are the only two on your list not from ancient history, which is a poor start for you.

I don't know enough about Israel to speak for them, but I doubt they'd call themselves creationist.

The US is not a creationist nation. It has a large minority of fundamentalism in the bible belt, but they hardly represent the nation, or the reason the US is a superpower. The US is a superpower in spite of its backward creationist areas not because of them.