we do.Why doesn't the church take the same position to war then? It is absolutely no different if you can't take a life to save another no matter what.
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we do.Why doesn't the church take the same position to war then? It is absolutely no different if you can't take a life to save another no matter what.
We are all second guessing a medical situation about which we don't have any real knowledge.
no we are not
the bishop investigated the facts and came to a conclusion we can rely on
its like in the courtroom and the defense attorney states there is no evidence the crook ever touched the pistol- ignoring the fingerprint evidence
I accept the fact that, as Church law exists today, there cannot be women priests.
I do not agree that bishops, especially when talking outside of their area of expertise and experience, are any more smarter or more knowledgeable than religious sisters or laypeople.
I guess the fact that some religious sisters are smarter and more knowledgeable than some bishops is one reason why some question the idea of women priests (which I, given current Church law, do not.)
And Jim, I am putting much of my trust in the studies by many doctors (like the Irish ones from 1992 in the study already cited) and former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop:
In my thirty-six years of pediatric surgery I have never known of one instance where the child had to be aborted to save the mothers life.
-Moody Monthly, May 1980
Davidnic
He was talking in the context of Partial Birth Abortions, which are done on viable fetuses in morality of abortion.
The case here is a pre-viable fetus.
Jim
Let's say there are two people in a room, one person can get out of the door, but when that one person does the door shuts and the room fills with gas. There is no way to get both out. There is a timer and if no one leaves in 5 min both will die.
Is it moral for one person to kill the other to get to the door because both will die if no one leaves in 5 minutes? What is the moral act in that situation?
no we are not
the bishop investigated the facts and came to a conclusion we can rely on
its like in the courtroom and the defense attorney states there is no evidence the crook ever touched the pistol- ignoring the fingerprint evidence
I accept the fact that, as Church law exists today, there cannot be women priests.
the Church does not make distinctions of viable or pre-viable fetuses
that is pro-choice double speak for the cause of dehumanizing an infant human child (a son, daughter, brother, sister, child, grandchild, friend)
the nun had access to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church- they come from God and are not confidential
Bob
Yes she did, and she also had access to the medical records, the doctors and visited the patient herself.
The Bishop was limited to what he knew about the case.
Jim
David, you didn't have to use a hypothetical.
I just finished reading "The Terrible Hours," which was about the submarine Squalus, which sank in 250 feet of water off the coast of New England, in 1939.
Long story, but as the engine room began to rapidly fill up with water, the one engineer who managed to make it to the next hatch, held on as long as he could to allow other men who further back to make it. However, the water was filling so fast, that had he not closed and sealed the hatch, the control room would've filled and all the men aboard would've died. He had to make a fast decision, those men's lives, or the rest of the crew. He closed and sealed the door, and 26 men who were aft in the sub, drowned.
He lived with guilt all of his life, thinking that perhaps he had no right to save himself and the rest of the crew, while the action he took, killed the other 26 men.
The same is similar in this case. If the hospital doesn't abort the pre-viable fetus, the woman will die as a result of heart failure.
If the woman were your daughter, you tell me that you wouldn't see the logic in the hospital's decision.
Jim
I accept the fact that, as Church law exists today, there cannot be women priests.
I do not agree that bishops, especially when talking outside of their area of expertise and experience, are any more smarter or more knowledgeable than religious sisters or laypeople.
I guess the fact that some religious sisters are smarter and more knowledgeable than some bishops is one reason why some question the idea of women priests (which I, given current Church law, do not.)
I do not agree that religious sisters or lay people, especially when talking outside of their area of expertise and experience, are any more smarter or more knowledgeable than bishops.
I guess the fact that some bishops are smarter and more knowledgeable than some religious sisters is one reason why some question the idea of male nuns (which I, given Church law, do.)
Davidnic
He was talking in the context of Partial Birth Abortions, which are done on viable fetuses.
The case here is a pre-viable fetus.
Jim
The case here is a pre-viable fetus.
Jim
the Church does not make distinctions of viable or pre-viable fetuses
that is pro-choice double speak for the cause of dehumanizing an infant human child (a son, daughter, brother, sister, child, grandchild, friend)