That Boat Don't Float!!

[Nathan Poe]

1.5 million per year since Roe v Wade in 1973?

If the mythology is to be believed -- your God prefers killing them after they're born.

Is it more sporting that way, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't support abortions, and in any case, your God is supposedly all-powerful, so at the very least he is responsible for allowing those to happen if you want to claim he exists.

I don't care if you support abortions or not (as far as this point goes).

They are going to keep on happening, regardless.

But if you want to keep score as who did/does more killing -- make sure you've got the whole picture, k?

 

[ZephyrWiccan]

I don't care if you support abortions or not (as far as this point goes).

They are going to keep on happening, regardless.

But if you want to keep score as who did/does more killing -- make sure you've got the whole picture, k?

And if your god exists and is all-powerful, he is completely responsible for allowing it to happen. so tally 1.5 million more per year since RvW to your buddy.

 

[AV1611VET]

And if your god exists and is all-powerful, he is completely responsible for allowing it to happen. so tally 1.5 million more per year since RvW to your buddy.

Have a good day --

 

[Nathan Poe]

What you guys consider "bad" is not exactly what God considers "bad".

In fact -- just the opposite in many cases.

And vice versa, AV -- if the Bible is to be believed, you've got no business crying over those "unborn," since God's allegedly authorized enough genocide to make "1.5 million a year since Roe v. Wade in 1973" look like nothing but a hiccup.

 

[ZephyrWiccan]

Well, I see you jumped off the science wagon to yak about morality, so unless you want to talk Noah, I'm really not interested.

What you guys consider "bad" is not exactly what God considers "bad".

In fact -- just the opposite in many cases.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Why, AV, I'm simply following your example! Wasn't it you, my dear boy, who just less than an hour ago told "my science" to take a hike?

I'm simply doing what you said and letting it take a hike for a while, so now I'm talking about morality!

 

[Nathan Poe]

Why, AV, I'm simply following your example! Wasn't it you, my dear boy, who just less than an hour ago told "my science" to take a hike?

I'm simply doing what you said and letting it take a hike for a while, so now I'm talking about morality!

It's difficult talking morality with a literalist, since they claim that God is the source of their morality, but finding any consistent morality from God's actions as described in the Bible is like trying to hold water with a fork.

 

[ZephyrWiccan]

Have a good day --

Not while there are people like you around who believe in such a monstrous deity. No sir.

I fear for my son around people, like yourself, that worship such a creature as your "God" and call is "good" and "perfect" and "loving" and all the other praises you heap upon it.

 

[LightHorseman]

History does record that most of the disciples were killed for their belief in
what they said about Jesus. If the Holiness and Divinity of Jesus was not
real, these 12 were all fooled by the son of a carpenter with delusions of
grandeur, because men will die for what they believe, but men won't die for
a cause they know to be a lie.

So... by this logic, the Muslims are right?

eta way to go with coherent tags, team.

 

[Montalban]

I don't like to get into a conversation with someone on the matter of truth.

God is truth

 

[Montalban]

BUMP

What about those making 'judgments' using my morality system. Isn't that being selective as well?

Or using English - the realm of 'liberal arts' in order to convey meaning. Why don't you use machine-code?

 

[Montalban]

So... by this logic, the Muslims are right?

Or that they don't know what they believe in to be a lie

 

[Montalban]

It's difficult talking morality with a literalist, since they claim that God is the source of their morality, but finding any consistent morality from God's actions as described in the Bible is like trying to hold water with a fork.

What's the source of your morality?

 

[LightHorseman]

Or that they don't know what they believe in to be a lie

Ah... but if you acknowledge that people can sincerely believe things that aren't acurate or true, you allow other options into the "madmen or liars" false dichotomy, which rather ruins the effect.

 

[Montalban]

Ah... but if you acknowledge that people can sincerely believe things that aren't acurate or true, you allow other options into the "madmen or liars" false dichotomy, which rather ruins the effect.

I am aware of this. I wasn't the one who put forward the sincerity = truth argument.

 

[SkyWriting]

So... by this logic, the Muslims are right?

Muslims may accept Gods Holy Spirit as easily as anybody.

 

[SkyWriting]

And if your god exists and is all-powerful, he is completely responsible for allowing it to happen. so tally 1.5 million more per year since RvW to your buddy.

20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 thati the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

 

[SkyWriting]

So children, if your god does all the good things, who do you think does all the bad things?

Man is responsible for the rift between God and man.
And the reason man can no longer control our environment just by willpower.
But even that choice was by God's will.

 

[BananaSlug]

What's the source of your morality?

I'm not going to do to others what I don't want done to me. No God needed.

 

[Montalban]

Muslims may accept Gods Holy Spirit as easily as anybody.

I believe you're missing the point.

The point was made that Christianity was 'true' based on the fact that people suffer for this truth.

Lighthorseman then put forward the fact that Moslems also 'suffer' for their faith.