I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

[MrPolo]

The law kills

Niether of us said that murder was OK.

You both said the 10 commandments do not apply to Christians today. Yes? No? So is it wrong for a Christian to commit murder? Yes? No?

 

[Frogster]

You're keen on doing it for real - really living Gods will, and that's awesome man. It's quite rare. Keep it up.

As far as the commandments go, Jesus said He didn't come to do away with them but to fulfill them.

The law is there to reveal to us just how flawed we are, and grace is there to heal us back in to close relationship with God, just like Adam and Eve had.

As long as people live by the flesh, the law is actively showing their flaws and faults, just like it was made to do.

As long as people keep repenting, grace is living and actively restoring us to Jesus.

Mercy is the lesson God is trying to teach you. Grace is the time He has given yo to learn it.

i know whatcher sayin...but.....

The more we walk int he spirit,the less the 10 will rouse the flesh,and empower sin,and make a cosciousness of sin,so we dont have to be on the sin/repent merry go-round.

 

[Frogster]

You both said the 10 commandments do not apply to Christians today. Yes? No? So is it wrong for a Christian to commit murder? Yes? No?

all your showing is the same thing again..who does not know that murder is wrong?..Fine..no,Chrisitans should not murder..there..ya happy?

Now what I have said,is we are not under law,the abolishment of the law,is because a stronger law of grace is my guide.The abrogation of the law came,the era of law ended,with Jesus taking on the punishment,Gal3:13.

Look..sin and death reigned,while there was law...it even increased sin..murder


20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Frogster]

No worries, you confuse me just as much. You say there is no law, but that sin still exists. Can't have it both ways.

In and of myself I am completely incapable of keeping the law. Thus I look to the Spirit to guide me in keeping it. But because God does not force you to keep from sinning, even though I am in the Spirit and He in me, I still make mistakes (sin).

I'm saying that those who don't keep the sabbath knowing they ought to are sinning. I'm not calling you a sinner for not keeping the sabbath. I worry that you are rejecting the truth about the sabbath because of the tradition that backs not keeping it.

As I said before, there is a difference between being a sinner, and sinning. We all sin. We are not all sinners. We all fall short of the glory of God, but we all have an Advocate with the Father. We all will fail at keeping the law, but we all can keep striving to not break it for we serve One how is able to keep us from falling (sinning).

how can it exist for the Christian..if we are not under law? please advise.

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.


18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

 

[Stryder06]

how can it exist for the Christian..if we are not under law? please advise.

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.


18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Because there is a difference between sinning and being a sinner. I heard a pastor say it like this: God doesn't unsave you than save you than unsave you, etc because you sin.

Listen to what it says. If you are led by the Spirit...That implies that you must follow. Not everyone follows though. The Spirit leads you to keep the law. And even if you mess up, you ask for forgiveness and you push forward, following as the Spirit leads.

I think a better question is how can it not be for the Christian? Don't you think that with all the order in this Universe, God would have a set or rules in place to keep order among His children?

 

[MrPolo]

no,Chrisitans should not murder..there..ya happy?

Yes. Good. The natural follow-up is why not then? If murder is a commandment of the OT under which Christians are not bound, then why should a Christian avoid murder?

 

[lighthouse_hope]

We wouldn't be sinners if we didn't break the law. If a chance to the law could have taken place as in it being destroyed, then Christ would not have had to die. He simply could have rewritten the law to make sin not sin.

God will not ever approve anything that it's evil.

 

[lighthouse_hope]

Yes. Good. The natural follow-up is why not then? If murder is a commandment of the OT under which Christians are not bound, then why should a Christian avoid murder?

The commandments are simply specifications of higher principles: namely love to neighbor and to God. Therefore, murder, theft are directly opposite to that principle, but as on which day we have to worship is something that do not directly challenges the love we are due to God.

 

[Stryder06]

God will not ever approve anything that it's evil.

Why? Because He has already established a law which distinguishes right from wrong. A law that is so holy and unchangeable that His Son died to fulfill the requirements for transgressing it.

 

[Stryder06]

-snip- but as on which day we have to worship is something that do not directly challenges the love we are due to God.

Says who? Mankind?

If God says do it on a certain day, ever think that perhaps He is testing our loyalty to Him?

Who are we to say what is and isn't important in the eyes of God. The simply fact that that same law is engraved in stone with the other nine, which we all agree are still in full force, should be proof enough that God considers it to be important.

It is His day after all.

 

[Frogster]

Because there is a difference between sinning and being a sinner. I heard a pastor say it like this: God doesn't unsave you than save you than unsave you, etc because you sin.

Listen to what it says. If you are led by the Spirit...That implies that you must follow. Not everyone follows though. The Spirit leads you to keep the law. And even if you mess up, you ask for forgiveness and you push forward, following as the Spirit leads.

I think a better question is how can it not be for the Christian? Don't you think that with all the order in this Universe, God would have a set or rules in place to keep order among His children?

you did not answer the question.Would the spirit lead us to a place where we are not under?..law..

Ok...would the Spirit command that we cant wear interwoven clothing,and that we are bound to the whole mosaic law?

 

[Stryder06]

-snip-

Now what I have said,is we are not under law,the abolishment of the law,is because a stronger law of grace is my guide.The abrogation of the law came,the era of law ended,with Jesus taking on the punishment,Gal3:13.

Never read anything about an age of grace or law in the bible. Since we are saved by grace it would seem to me that the logical conclusion is that grace started in Eden.

Second: How can you say in the same breath that the law was abolished and yet murder is not ok? You do know what abolish means right?

Third: Who abrogated the law?

Fourth: The only thing that ended with Jesus' death was the looming sentence of death that hung over mankind.

 

[Frogster]

Yes. Good. The natural follow-up is why not then? If murder is a commandment of the OT under which Christians are not bound, then why should a Christian avoid murder?

why da heck would a christian even want to murder?
I said no..but the law does not stop murder in the heart,,no?

 

[lighthouse_hope]

Says who? Mankind?

If God says do it on a certain day, ever think that perhaps He is testing our loyalty to Him?

Who are we to say what is and isn't important in the eyes of God. The simply fact that that same law is engraved in stone with the other nine, which we all agree are still in full force, should be proof enough that God considers it to be important.

It is His day after all.

No, not mankind. I said it. God has never told **us** to worship on Saturday, to begin with.

 

[Stryder06]

you did not answer the question.Would the spirit lead us to a place where we are not under?..law..

That wasn't the question. The Spirit leads us where Christ tells Him to take us. And Christ spoke those things which He heard from His Father. Notice the Chain? Father Speaks to Christ, Christ speaks to the Spirit, the Spirit reminds us of what Christ said, which was that which the Father spoke to Him.

There is no separation between them for they are one. In other words. The Father didn't establish a law that Christ came around and did away with.

Ok...would the Spirit command that we cant wear interwoven clothing,and that we are bound to the whole mosaic law?

The Priesthood has changed. Those laws were for a reason, and pointed us to Christ. You ask questions you already know the answer to.

 

[Frogster]

Never read anything about an age of grace or law in the bible. Since we are saved by grace it would seem to me that the logical conclusion is that grace started in Eden.

Second: How can you say in the same breath that the law was abolished and yet murder is not ok? You do know what abolish means right?

Third: Who abrogated the law?

Fourth: The only thing that ended with Jesus' death was the looming sentence of death that hung over mankind.

oh my! u never heard of the reign of grace,that started with jesus...look at the history..from Adam..that would be the garden.

Does this verse not say abolished for the christian,who died to the law,through the body of christ..please answer..

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,


No way,as far as 4 goes..if Jesus took on the wrath of the law,why reinstate it?

look here at this..what does this tell you?It is about the law

18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.

And when r u ever..ever..going to post scripture to prove your point?You never..ever..answered why paul did not want the law for the galatians..how looong oh stryder..how long...

 

[Stryder06]

No, not mankind. I said it. God has never told **us** to worship on Saturday, to begin with.

"Nor thy stranger within thy gates"

And there there's Isa 56...

 

[Jacob Luffman]

All ten commandments can be boiled down to "Love thy neighbor as thyself." If you truly love God, you will not sin at all. If you truly love your neighbor (I'm not being specific and I don't need to), you will not kill them, you will not commit adultery with their wife/husband, you will not steal from them, you will not covet what is theirs, you will not lie to them, you will not use wrong language around them, you will not disrespect them and their property in any way, and I can go on. So much sin... but The LORD is forgiving and merciful, and if you ask for forgiveness from your heart, He will forgive you.

 

[Frogster]

That wasn't the question. The Spirit leads us where Christ tells Him to take us. And Christ spoke those things which He heard from His Father. Notice the Chain? Father Speaks to Christ, Christ speaks to the Spirit, the Spirit reminds us of what Christ said, which was that which the Father spoke to Him.

There is no separation between them for they are one. In other words. The Father didn't establish a law that Christ came around and did away with.



The Priesthood has changed. Those laws were for a reason, and pointed us to Christ. You ask questions you already know the answer to.

it is the question,..would the spirit say were are bound to 613? yes or no?

Why didnt the spirit want the law for the galatians?

 

[lighthouse_hope]

"Nor thy stranger within thy gates"

And there there's Isa 56...

I'm in Canary Islands, and I have no reason to be anywhere else