I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

[Thekla]

What hurt? Once I am in Christ and He has done away with the law, what are you talking about?
This supported by all major Christain Faiths.

So Christ did away with compassion, love, truth

okie dokey

 

[Strong in Him]

I fail to follow all of you. one minute the law is abolished

The law is NOT abolished.
Jesus said he came to fulfil the law, NOT abolish it (Matt 5:17)

But the law cannot save.
The early church, who were all Jews, had been brought up to believe that they would be saved by keeping all God's commands. Well at one time they would have been - that was before Jesus came, the law was all they had.

They found out, and learnt, for themselves that the death and resurrection of Jesus changed everything.
For the Jews, because Scripture had been fulfilled and their Messiah had come, and for the Gentiles because they could now become God's children. Jesus made and sealed God's New Covenant, prophesied by Jeremiah (Jer 31:31-33) - a covenant which was now extended to everyone. As Jesus said, HE is the only way to God.

The Jews would find that Jesus did fulfil the law and the prophets as he had said - the law said that a blood sacrifice was required for the forgiveness of sin, and the prophets spoke of Jesus' coming. there are other prophesies in the OT that speak of the coming of the Messiah, who was Jesus. Jesus saves. He saves the Jew because his death on the cross was the blood sacrifice required for the forgiveness of sin; he was the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, (John 1:29). He was the passover lamb, sacrificed for them (1 Cor 5:7.) Gentiles were not given the Jewish law, but Paul says that Jesus' death is sufficient for everyone. Gentiles would previously have had to convert to the Jewish religion before they could be God's people and enjoy all the privileges and benefits of God's people. Now that is no longer necessary. Gentiles can come to God and be his people by believing in Jesus and accepting his sacrificial death on the cross.

When Paul wrote his letters, some people were being led astray by false teachers - Jews, who falsley taught that the Gentiles had to obey the law AS WELL AS having faith in Jesus.

and the next you should not sin.

Sin is falling short of the glory of God, disobedience to him.
Adam and Eve first sinned, and the perfect relationship between God and man was broken. Man was unable to do anything to mend it. There were sacrifices laid down for the forgiveness of sin, but these had to be offered twice a day, and even then, people weren't perfect and were unable to obey God personally.

Jesus offered his life as a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. By this, he also broke the power of sin.
We still mess up sometimes, and John said that if we try to tell ourselves we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves. But sin does not have the power to kill us spiritually and earn us eternal seperation from God - because Jesus has dealt with it and paid that price. God HAS broken the power of sin - for those who accept his Son and his free gift of salvation.

We shouldn't deliberately sin, because then we are rebelling against God, disobeying him and saying that we know best. We are also letting him down. But God knows we are human and will fall sometimes. We also all live in a fallen world, and may suffer the consequences of someone else's sin.

Is Paul saying that the Ten commandements is abolished or not?

Of course not. Why would Paul say the 10 commandments have been abolished, when Jesus himself said that he had not come to abolish the law, summed up the 10 commandments in two, and commended the rich young ruler for keeping them?

Jesus said that the greatest commandments were "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, souls and mind," - this is the teaching of the first 4 commandments, put God first and honour him in everything; and "love your neighbour as yourself". This is the teaching of the last 6 commandments - don't kill, harm, violate your neighbour, or covet any of his possessions.
He ALSO gave us a new commandment - to love one another as he loved us. He loved us by dying for us when we were unworthy, undeserving sinners who could do nothing to earn this love. If we love one another like that, we will put them first, give to them rather than take from them - that vertainluy means not sleeping with their wives.

 

[Strong in Him]

I am free in Christ. What is the problem?

That's what the Corinthian church believed - Christ had set them free so they could do what they wanted - be sexually immoral, exploit others and so on. Paul criticised them for this and told them that their body was the temple of the Holy Spirit - he lived in them, if they abused their bodies, they were violating the temple God dwelt in.

 

[Strong in Him]

Sin is transgressing the law if you tell me the law is abolished whyare you telling me about sin?

Sin was in the world before the law - given at Mount Sinai - was.

God told Adam and Eve not to eat, he gave them a command. They disobeyed that command, that word from God. They broke the only rule/condition/law God had given them. They did not listen to his word, forgot it and listened to the word of the devil. THAT was sin, the breaking of God's word.

And I haven't checked, but I think the only person saying that the law is abolished, is you,.

 

[Sphinx777]

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[Deut 5:29]

I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

Where did you get the idea that anyone is going to heaven?

 

[christianmomof3]

I can have sex with the pastor's wife and still go to heaven

wow. she must be pretty "damn" good if you feel that way

I now understand why the pastor could say that a man that never cmae to church,

cmae?

drank run

how do you drink run? drank and run? is that a bad thing? drank rum perhaps?

and did as he likes was now in heaven at his funeral.

whose funeral was in heaven? the pastor's or the man who drank run?

We are wasting our time in church.

some people are

there is no need to be perfect or to do good.

no one is perfect except for God. He is perfecting His redeemed and regenerated believers.

Grace will save us or has saved us.

there is a free for all. God does not condemn them why should we? Let the thief steal, why if God does not condemn him why should we?

if God does not condemn others, do you think you should?

Where did you get the idea that anyone is going to heaven?

I wonder that too, since the Bible says:
John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

 

[Frogster]

It is either abolished or not. Sin is transgressing the law if you tell me the law is abolished whyare you telling me about sin?

It is abolished for the Christian.Wea re not under law.

The world is under law and wrath,until they come to Jesus.

Look..they had the law..yet....


John 7;19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why do you seek to kill me?”

Actually..instead of adultery,one should get a divorce.

Rom 7:4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

 

[Frogster]

This is broadcasted every day over radio and TV even in the forum. So we need alot more bibles. I fail to follow all of you. one minute the law is abolished and the next you should not sin. It can not be both!!! Is Paul saying that the Ten commandements is abolished or not?

yes,it is abolished for the Christiian.Christ took on the curse,thus abrogating it.

look..written in stone..the 10..


2 Cor 3;7 But if the ministry of death, in letters, graven in stones, began with glory, so that the children of Israel could not fix their eyes on the face of Moses, on account of the glory of his face, a glory which is annulled;

Anulled..

2 Cor 3;11For if that annulled was introduced with glory, much rather that which abides subsists in glory.

 

[Elder 111]

You are saying that your pastor is your mediator between you and the Father instead of Jesus . That is interesting . If you were under the Law , you would be listening to the Levitical priests in charge of the Law .

The above quote would only be a surprise to you if you have always thought that you were under the Law . Who told you that ?




Now you are saying that "going to church" earns salvation . Where did you get *that* idea ?

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If you don't like what your pastor says , why not go to them about it so that there is a better understanding and perhaps a change of heart for one or both of you ? Or , you can leave the group . Complaing about your not agreeing with your pastor to us won't make them change their tune .

I am not complaining. this is a fact of the christain faith . isit not?

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Let me put it like this, if you have sex with a Mafia boss' wife or a made guy's wife you are going to get wacked. If you have sex with your pastor's wife or any other man's wife you are going to get spiritually wacked.

 

[Elder 111]

Free from the power of sin to do what is pleasing to God. It's sin that it's bondage, only the saved are truly free.

So what is ment by the law being abolished? Is that not the freedom? No law to tie you done?

 

[Elder 111]

Dear Elder 111. If you have sex with the pastor`s wife, you might get away with it for a short time, God`s Holy Law will give you the fitting consequences, and you may be sure of this.We are on Earth to learn to love as God wants us to, Love God with all our being, WHY? God is not to be mocked, God will know, and He will mete out the fitting lesson for you. God is a righteous and fair Judge, God does not enjoy teaching us just deserts, BUT God`s Holy Law stands forever, and God has given us the Commandments out of Love for us. God wants holy sons and daughters, and God`s Law will make sure we learn how to become as God wants us to. The second Commandment is to love our neighbour, i.e. all others, friend or foe. And this Commandment stands too, if we ignore it, or wilfully go against, we will have to bear consequences to learn from and to realise that God is Love, but His Law will teach us, often with painful rewards. I say this humbly and with love, Elder. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ. P.S. God knows our hearts, He knows our thoughts and wishes, and OUR GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.

Are you telling me to say that the Ten Commandment is abolished is a lie?

 

[Elder 111]

So Christ did away with compassion, love, truth

okie dokey

Only the law.

 

[New_Wineskin]

I am not complaining. this is a fact of the christain faith . isit not?

Yes , you were complaining . Just leave if you don't agree .

What "fact" of Christianity are you now discussing ?

 

[MrPolo]

Elder, if your pastor was actually right, you would have a very good point here! I think you raise valuable insight into the degenerate views of certain "pastors."

 

[GenemZ]

The pastor siad that the Ten Commandments are Abolished we are under Grace not the law. The law

There is a misunderstanding there... You are only free of being under the Law if (and while) you are walking in the Spirit. When we walk in our flesh, we come back under the Law.

Galatians 5:18
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law."
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If you are not controlled by the Spirit? One can say.. that's what we have law and the police for. Carnality is subject to Law. Spirit led is subject to God's truth and grace.


Grace and peace, GeneZ


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[New_Wineskin]

Are you telling me to say that the Ten Commandment is abolished is a lie?

In the OP , you stated that your pastor stated that the Law was abolished . Then you went on a rampage *as if* you observe the Law - which you refuse to do .

 

[Elder 111]

The law is NOT abolished.
Jesus said he came to fulfil the law, NOT abolish it (Matt 5:17)

But the law cannot save.
The early church, who were all Jews, had been brought up to believe that they would be saved by keeping all God's commands. Well at one time they would have been - that was before Jesus came, the law was all they had.

They found out, and learnt, for themselves that the death and resurrection of Jesus changed everything.
For the Jews, because Scripture had been fulfilled and their Messiah had come, and for the Gentiles because they could now become God's children. Jesus made and sealed God's New Covenant, prophesied by Jeremiah (Jer 31:31-33) - a covenant which was now extended to everyone. As Jesus said, HE is the only way to God.

The Jews would find that Jesus did fulfil the law and the prophets as he had said - the law said that a blood sacrifice was required for the forgiveness of sin, and the prophets spoke of Jesus' coming. there are other prophesies in the OT that speak of the coming of the Messiah, who was Jesus. Jesus saves. He saves the Jew because his death on the cross was the blood sacrifice required for the forgiveness of sin; he was the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, (John 1:29). He was the passover lamb, sacrificed for them (1 Cor 5:7.) Gentiles were not given the Jewish law, but Paul says that Jesus' death is sufficient for everyone. Gentiles would previously have had to convert to the Jewish religion before they could be God's people and enjoy all the privileges and benefits of God's people. Now that is no longer necessary. Gentiles can come to God and be his people by believing in Jesus and accepting his sacrificial death on the cross.

When Paul wrote his letters, some people were being led astray by false teachers - Jews, who falsley taught that the Gentiles had to obey the law AS WELL AS having faith in Jesus.



Sin is falling short of the glory of God, disobedience to him.
Adam and Eve first sinned, and the perfect relationship between God and man was broken. Man was unable to do anything to mend it. There were sacrifices laid down for the forgiveness of sin, but these had to be offered twice a day, and even then, people weren't perfect and were unable to obey God personally.

Jesus offered his life as a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. By this, he also broke the power of sin.
We still mess up sometimes, and John said that if we try to tell ourselves we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves. But sin does not have the power to kill us spiritually and earn us eternal seperation from God - because Jesus has dealt with it and paid that price. God HAS broken the power of sin - for those who accept his Son and his free gift of salvation.

We shouldn't deliberately sin, because then we are rebelling against God, disobeying him and saying that we know best. We are also letting him down. But God knows we are human and will fall sometimes. We also all live in a fallen world, and may suffer the consequences of someone else's sin.



Of course not. Why would Paul say the 10 commandments have been abolished, when Jesus himself said that he had not come to abolish the law, summed up the 10 commandments in two, and commended the rich young ruler for keeping them?

Jesus said that the greatest commandments were "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, souls and mind," - this is the teaching of the first 4 commandments, put God first and honour him in everything; and "love your neighbour as yourself". This is the teaching of the last 6 commandments - don't kill, harm, violate your neighbour, or covet any of his possessions.
He ALSO gave us a new commandment - to love one another as he loved us. He loved us by dying for us when we were unworthy, undeserving sinners who could do nothing to earn this love. If we love one another like that, we will put them first, give to them rather than take from them - that vertainluy means not sleeping with their wives.

So all the preachers that teach that the alw is abolished are liars and therefore must be spreading satan's lies?

 

[Thekla]

Only the law.

And what is the summation and purpose of the Law ?