The Dodwell Data now out!!!!!

[sandwiches]

The spiritual is not a feeling. It is another parallel reality to the physical state we exist in, that we are unable to detect. Real beings exist in that state, good and bad, and can, God willing, visit our state. Included in their visits can be merging with the inner being of men. When spiritual reality is applied to a local situation in this earth, the normal rules are no longer applicable. This we call a miracle. Actually, it is science of the true state! To the ignorant barbarian cave mannish science of the physical only, it looks like magic.

Hope that clears it up. Get saved, people, don't let the bad spirits get ya.

So, how do you know that this other "parallel reality" exists?

 

[dad]

So, how do you know that this other "parallel reality" exists?

It works. History is nothing but a series of proofs. Nations rising, nations falling, miracles, spirits, the fulfilled prophesy of the scripture..there is no reason to assume it does not. None. Certainly none from science.

Science is really a statement of faith that nothing else exists, or ever did, or ever will!!!!! How do they know? They don't. Example: how do you know that this other "parallel reality" does not exist?--How do you know that this universe state will exist in the far future??

 

[sandwiches]

It works. History is nothing but a series of proofs. Nations rising, nations falling, miracles, spirits, the fulfilled prophesy of the scripture..there is no reason to assume it does not. None. Certainly none from science.

Science is really a statement of faith that nothing else exists, or ever did, or ever will!!!!! How do they know? They don't. Example: how do you know that this other "parallel reality" does not exist?--How do you know that this universe state will exist in the far future??

So, you have seen/witnessed/observed/detected/felt spirits? You've seen prophecies come true?

 

[dad]

So, you have seen/witnessed/observed/detected/felt spirits? You've seen prophecies come true?

Anyone that has looked at the bible honestly has seen prophesies come true. They set the calendar. Jesus was seen walking through walls, and doing other things that require the spiritual. We, the Christians have seen, and felt and observed...and recorded, and we have the record.

We do not have a record of the universe dying one day. Nor of a first lifeform. The earth axis has been observed, and the data says, apparently that the big change happened on a certain year. That happens to be the year of the split. Funny, that.

 

[Nostromo]

Anyone that has looked at the bible honestly has seen prophesies come true. Jesus was seen walking through walls, and doing other things that require the spiritual. We, the Christians have seen, and felt and observed...and recorded, and we have the record.

This brings us back to wondering why miracles/prophecies only count when they occur in the Bible, but not when they appear in any other text.

"The Bible is right because.. well.. because it's the Bible, silly!"

They set the calendar.

But not the language, culture, law or anything else of note. Former Christendom continues to count years the same way, big wup.

The earth axis has been observed, and the data says, apparently that the big change happened on a certain year. That happens to be the year of the split. Funny, that.

Not so funny when you see that the conflicting evidence is ignored, and some evidence is fabricated or misinterpreted.

 

[sandwiches]

Anyone that has looked at the bible honestly has seen prophesies come true. They set the calendar. Jesus was seen walking through walls, and doing other things that require the spiritual. We, the Christians have seen, and felt and observed...and recorded, and we have the record.

We do not have a record of the universe dying one day. Nor of a first lifeform. The earth axis has been observed, and the data says, apparently that the big change happened on a certain year. That happens to be the year of the split. Funny, that.

So, the spiritual realm or its effects can, indeed, be detected or observed by humans, making it possible to be scrutinized scientifically, then. This goes counter to your statement:

It is another parallel reality to the physical state we exist in, that we are unable to detect.

So, either we're able to detect it or we're not. You should probably make up your mind and get your excuses straight before trying to convince others.

 

[dad]

This brings us back to wondering why miracles/prophecies only count when they occur in the Bible, but not when they appear in any other text.

Oh they count anywhere. But for how much?? Jeanne Dixon had, what..say, 60-70% accuracy at best?? The bible is 100% Just like spirits, there are bad spirits too, as well as good. It's just that there is only one Great Spirit, one Living God.

"The Bible is right because.. well.. because it's the Bible, silly!"
But not the language, culture, law or anything else of note. Former Christendom continues to count years the same way, big wup.
Not so funny when you see that the conflicting evidence is ignored, and some evidence is fabricated or misinterpreted.

Men are liars, so I would take things with a grain of salt. God is no liar, so I take His word as the truth is is demonstrated to be.

If Dodwell figured out from data something big happened in 2345 BC, I look the the one accurate reord man has. There the evidence fits like a glove.

 

[dad]

So, the spiritual realm or its effects can, indeed, be detected or observed by humans, making it possible to be scrutinized scientifically, then. This goes counter to your statement:

Scientifically? That means physical only. How would those poor dolts scrutinize squat that involves non physical only things??

So, either we're able to detect it or we're not. You should probably make up your mind and get your excuses straight before trying to convince others.

The way we detect it is not in a physical only lab. It is in the beings of man, in creation, in prophesy fulfillled over centuries, nay, millennia. It is in spiritual gifts, answered prayers, joy, peace, and being shown the universe and world around us in a true light, not just the dead state light!

 

[Orogeny]

not just the dead state light!

The dead state? That one you assert from the past, that no longer exists? Yeah, it'd dead all right, and it doesn't tell us a darn thing. The present state, though, ahh, it tells us so much!

I'm glad you've finally come to the same conclusion the rest of us have.

 

[biggles53]

Is this all relating to that inane crap about 'past state', that dad has been wheedling on about?

What nonsense! Apart from being physically impossible (the 'speeding up' of nuclear decay rates in the past), you have to ask yourself a very simple question........why?

 

[sandwiches]

Scientifically? That means physical only. How would those poor dolts scrutinize squat that involves non physical only things??

The way we detect it is not in a physical only lab. It is in the beings of man, in creation, in prophesy fulfillled over centuries, nay, millennia. It is in spiritual gifts, answered prayers, joy, peace, and being shown the universe and world around us in a true light, not just the dead state light!

It seems you're a bit limited in knowledge, understanding, or both. If a phenomenon can be perceived by us, regardless of the method of observation, it can be analyzed scientifically. So, again, either the spiritual can be perceived and detected or it can't. So, make up your mind and stop trying to avoid cognitive dissonance.

 

[Nostromo]

Men are liars, so I would take things with a grain of salt.

And they wrote the Bible.

They might well claim it's divinely inspired, but men are liars.

If Dodwell figured out from data something big happened in 2345 BC, I look the the one accurate reord man has. There the evidence fits like a glove.

Dodwell didn't figure out anything, he was just creative with the numbers to fit the conclusion he already made, like you're prepared to do. If the evidence "fits like a glove", why do you have to invoke a different state past with alternate physical rules in order to make your ideas work? Wouldn't it be obvious from physical records if the recorded events matched real history?

 

[dad]

It seems you're a bit limited in knowledge, understanding, or both. If a phenomenon can be perceived by us, regardless of the method of observation, it can be analyzed scientifically. So, again, either the spiritual can be perceived and detected or it can't. So, make up your mind and stop trying to avoid cognitive dissonance.

Who are "us"? Science? Get this straight, they are [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s. If a spirit manifests itself to us, they can't analyze it. Get over it. They might see a twitch in the eye, or a wave pattern in the brain it causes, but they would be clueless. That is why they don't realize people are possessed, for example.

 

[dad]

Is this all relating to that inane crap about 'past state', that dad has been wheedling on about?

What nonsense! Apart from being physically impossible (the 'speeding up' of nuclear decay rates in the past), you have to ask yourself a very simple question........why?

Wrong. Nothing speeded up.

 

[sandwiches]

Who are "us"? Science?

Humans.

Get this straight, they are [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s. If a spirit manifests itself to us, they can't analyze it. Get over it. They might see a twitch in the eye, or a wave pattern in the brain it causes, but they would be clueless. That is why they don't realize people are possessed, for example.

Sorry. Regardless of how much you masked cursing you do, you're still wrong. If YOU or ANYONE ELSE can perceive the spiritual in ANY SENSE, whoever is perceiving it, can analyze it scientifically and critically. You seem to imagine the scientific method to be something wholly disassociated from experience and perception, for some reason. It would serve you to learn a bit more so you'd have a more informed opinion on this matter.

So, here's a very simple question. Can the spiritual be perceived by humans, yes or no?

 

[BananaSlug]

Who are "us"? Science?

Humans.

Get this straight, they are [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s.

Nice to see a Christian curse his neighbors with such foul language.

If a spirit manifests itself to us, they can't analyze it. Get over it. They might see a twitch in the eye, or a wave pattern in the brain it causes, but they would be clueless. That is why they don't realize people are possessed, for example.

If you can sense it, science can too. We can use science to detect and observe things that even we cannot detect ourselves; ultraviolet light, neutrinos, electrons, etc.
Demonic possession is a joke.

 

[biggles53]

Wrong. Nothing speeded up.

Then how do you explain all this gibberish about the earth being only 6000 years old, when radioisotope decay rates ALL clearly point to it being older by a factor of nearly a million!!?? What is this "past state" nonsense, if it isn't a ridiculous attempt to suggest that those decay rates must have been substantially 'different' at some time in the past...???

 

[dad]

Humans.

Humans are not always right.

Sorry. Regardless of how much you masked cursing you do, you're still wrong. If YOU or ANYONE ELSE can perceive the spiritual in ANY SENSE, whoever is perceiving it, can analyze it scientifically and critically. You seem to imagine the scientific method to be something wholly disassociated from experience and perception, for some reason. It would serve you to learn a bit more so you'd have a more informed opinion on this matter.

Masked cursing?? Paranoid much? Science cannot detect spirits, get over it. Ask a scientist. If someone was inspiired or possessed, they have zero clue. They cannot be critical, or even mildly informed!!!! They are blind and dumb, and absolutely in the dark.

So, here's a very simple question. Can the spiritual be perceived by humans, yes or no?

Yes. But not all humans!

 

[dad]

Humans.

Humans are sometimes, nay, oftentimes...wrong.

If you can sense it, science can too.

Therein lies your error. Hope I helped clear that up, hell, no.

We can use science to detect and observe things that even we cannot detect ourselves; ultraviolet light, neutrinos, electrons, etc.
Demonic possession is a joke.

Look, box light is not spiritual, or box energy. Questions?

 

[dad]

Then how do you explain all this gibberish about the earth being only 6000 years old, when radioisotope decay rates ALL clearly point to it being older by a factor of nearly a million!!??

Easy. There was none. Decay is a feature if THIS, repeat THIS state. Ho hum.

What is this "past state" nonsense, if it isn't a ridiculous attempt to suggest that those decay rates must have been substantially 'different' at some time in the past...???

Here is the easy way to compehend the concept. Look at the future. Of course you and science can't do that. However God did. He told us that it will be a new heavens and earth. Forget this puppy. Now apply that to creation week, and we are well on our way to getting it.