The Dodwell Data now out!!!!!

[dad]

Well this is my point. We know I can't spring out of a giant toaster and land on Saturn in good shape, because we know how that stuff works.

If the spiritual is beyond human scrutiny, how can you tell me what is and isn't possible?

With God, the Great Spirit, ALL things are possible. For temporal state physical only man, we find that most things are impossible!

 

[sandwiches]

Well, we know what a spirit isn't made of. A physical only body! Even Jesus, the Firstborn from the dead of men, had a spiritual as well as physical body. It could go through solid matter, and all sorts of things we cannot do.

But, science can't scrutinize Him. He has plenty on offer about Him, and how He works, what He likes, etc in His manual to man. Science has to line up, like anyone else, and humbly learn the way it is available an revealed. They will be scrutinized by the Great Scrutinizer!

With God, the Great Spirit, ALL things are possible. For temporal state physical only man, we find that most things are impossible!

You're just begging the question without answering ours. Let me go about this another way: Can a scientist have a 'real' spiritual experience?

 

[dad]

You're just begging the question without answering ours. Let me go about this another way: Can a scientist have a 'real' spiritual experience?

Sure. But the same way all other men can have it. Nothing to do with science!

 

[sandwiches]

Sure. But the same way all other men can have it. Nothing to do with science!

A scientist can have a spiritual experience. Good. So, can this person, who's versed in science not analyze it? Can he not write down what he felt, when he felt it, what he ate that day, what he was thinking, if this is his first time feeling it, try to repeat his experience, et cetera to try to analyze his experience?

 

[Nostromo]

With God, the Great Spirit, ALL things are possible. For temporal state physical only man, we find that most things are impossible!

That doesn't answer the question I asked.

 

[dad]

A scientist can have a spiritual experience. Good. So, can this person, who's versed in science not analyze it?

No, the poor sod just better accept it, and be happy.

Can he not write down what he felt, when he felt it, what he ate that day, what he was thinking, if this is his first time feeling it, try to repeat his experience, et cetera to try to analyze his experience?

What he ate doesn't matter, or what he thought, at what time! Not a bit. If a spirit comes into his room and speaks to him, it won't be about his supper.

 

[dad]

That doesn't answer the question I asked.

I think it does.

 

[sandwiches]

No, the poor sod just better accept it, and be happy.

What he ate doesn't matter, or what he thought, at what time! Not a bit. If a spirit comes into his room and speaks to him, it won't be about his supper.

So, what would make a person unable to analyze what they're experiencing?

 

[dad]

So, what would make a person unable to analyze what they're experiencing?

What would make the able? If what they are experiencing is spiritual in nature, they need a spiritual nature to clue in..no?

 

[sandwiches]

What would make the able?

A person is normally able to analyze experiences. What about this experience would make a person be unable to do what they can normally do?

If what they are experiencing is spiritual in nature, they need a spiritual nature to clue in..no?

First off, what's a 'nature' in this context? Second, what's a 'spiritual nature?' Third, are people with 'spiritual natures' incapable of analysis?

 

[dad]

A person is normally able to analyze experiences.

Spirits are not normal! What we analyze is our nature, not theirs!

What about this experience would make a person be unable to do what they can normally do?

They can do what they normally do till they are blue in the face, it won't help detect spirits.

First off, what's a 'nature' in this context? Second, what's a 'spiritual nature?' Third, are people with 'spiritual natures' incapable of analysis?

People that are born of the spirit are aware of the spiritual, and alive to it...to some degree. But that will not allow them to take a picture of a spook. It just means they see the fingerprints of God, where the next guy would miss them.

 

[sandwiches]

Spirits are not normal! What we analyze is our nature, not theirs!

They can do what they normally do till they are blue in the face, it won't help detect spirits.

What property makes spirits not be able to be analyzed and if you can't analyze them, how do you know anything about them? You have described several of their attributes, yet you insist they can't be analyzed. How would you explain this contradiction?

People that are born of the spirit are aware of the spiritual, and alive to it...to some degree. But that will not allow them to take a picture of a spook. It just means they see the fingerprints of God, where the next guy would miss them.

People whose parents are spirits can sense spirits? Can you give me an example of people who have been born from spirits?

Can these people not analyze spirits and why or why not?

 

[dad]

What property makes spirits not be able to be analyzed and if you can't analyze them, how do you know anything about them? You have described several of their attributes, yet you insist they can't be analyzed. How would you explain this contradiction?

Easy. Spirits are not physical. They are spiritual. Science only deals in the ...physical universe. Can you name me ANY instrument in a lab that can see a spirit, if I brought one in for tea? If not, what do you think you will analyze with?

People whose parents are spirits can sense spirits? Can you give me an example of people who have been born from spirits?

Yes. Nicodemus in the book of John was born again. Millions of believers since also have been. It isn't the parents that give us spiritual life, it is God.

Can these people not analyze spirits and why or why not?

People can't even see or hear spirits, generally, that makes an analysis difficult! If a spirit is sent to someone, then they can see it. They do not decide, the spirit does, or God, really, who is in charge of things. When Jesus and the 2 angels appeared as men to Abraham, they had supper with him. How would it be that you think he could have tested them?

 

[sandwiches]

Easy. Spirits are not physical. They are spiritual. Science only deals in the ...physical universe. Can you name me ANY instrument in a lab that can see a spirit, if I brought one in for tea? If not, what do you think you will analyze with?

Since you didn't answer my questions, I'll reiterate it:
if you can't analyze them, how do you know anything about them? You have described several of their attributes, yet you insist they can't be analyzed. How would you explain this contradiction?

Yes. Nicodemus in the book of John was born again. Millions of believers since also have been. It isn't the parents that give us spiritual life, it is God.

So, he went inside the uterus of a spirit, god, or what?

People can't even see or hear spirits, generally, that makes an analysis difficult! If a spirit is sent to someone, then they can see it. They do not decide, the spirit does, or God, really, who is in charge of things. When Jesus and the 2 angels appeared as men to Abraham, they had supper with him. How would it be that you think he could have tested them?

How do you detect a spirit?

 

[dad]

Since you didn't answer my questions, I'll reiterate it:
if you can't analyze them, how do you know anything about them?

Because they have mingled in the world of men, and we have a record of that.

You have described several of their attributes, yet you insist they can't be analyzed. How would you explain this contradiction?

They can't be analysis by science. What attribute of ..walking through a wall..can you analyze? What aspect of some possessed man foaming at the mouth can you analyze?

So, he went inside the uterus of a spirit, god, or what?

No. His inner being became alive, and able to start being aware of things spiritual. Nothing to do with crawling back into the womb.

How do you detect a spirit?

I don't. Not if I can help it. God is a spirit, and He made Himself detectable through the medium of His word. That'll do it.

 

[Nostromo]

I think it does.

Are you telepathic as well as supernatural? It doesn't answer my question.

You are as limited to a physical world as I am. We cannot 'test' to see if the spirit world exists, all your information concerning an alleged spirit world is taken from the Bible. In order to accept what the Bible says is true, we must presuppose the spirit world exists.

It's circular logic daddio.

1. How do we know the supernatural exists?
2. It's in the Bible.
3. How do we know the Bible is correct?
4. It has a supernatural origin.
5. GOTO 1 (for BASIC fans)

What we analyze is our nature, not theirs!

As close to the truth as you're going to get. That which you ascribe to some spiritual experience is something which makes you think or feel a particular way i.e. a change in your own psyche.

 

[dad]

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You are as limited to a physical world as I am. We cannot 'test' to see if the spirit world exists,

Yes, we can. God set up tests. Many have tried Him out. Apparently, the water is fine. Prophesy and history also confirm a spiritual reality.

all your information concerning an alleged spirit world is taken from the Bible. In order to accept what the Bible says is true, we must presuppose the spirit world exists.

No, all we need to do is look at the calendar, and history. The same guy that prophesied the name of the king that would rebuild Jerusalem (and he did give the order) -Cyrus, also prophesied the virgin birth that also happened several hundred years later. The multitudes that Jesus healed were in a real country. The thing didn't go nuts, and spread all over the planet for no reason. Jesus was observed risen from the dead dead dead. Billions of people living since have felt the impacts of heaven on their lives. Real effects have real causes. Etc..


But let's assume someone chose to live in denial of this major part of the experience of mankind. Like science...! They must have their claims weighed in the scales that they use, the physical only. Since they cannot explain history or the spiritual reality of man, they must deny deny deny. All their pitiful claims are devoid of life, of truth, of spirit, of actual observation, or testing, or knowledge in any sense of the word, once they speak of anything but the physical present state. They cannot prove how long it existed, it is all they know. All they speculate, and concoct with! It is all the ingredients they brew their strange creation dream potions with! Talk about circular reasoning. It isn't just circular, it is inbred, insane, inconclusive, inept, incomplete, incompetent, and in box.

 

[sandwiches]

Yes, we can. God set up tests. Many have tried Him out. Apparently, the water is fine. Prophesy and history also confirm a spiritual reality.

What tests can I perform to verify the 'spiritual realm' exists?

 

[dad]

What tests can I perform to verify the 'spiritual realm' exists?

What tests can I perform that verify that a present state universe will exist in the future, that will kill it all? None.

Unlike morbid, baseless science claims, man has always known about spirits, and they are part of the record. For example, demon possession. Even today, there are folks that work in that field. In Jesus day it was commonplace. Spirits were listed as kings even, in the early days after the flood. Before the flood, humans married em, apparently. Spiritual gifts are rampant in among Christians, they come with the territory, basically. Inspiration, and joy and hope, and good things from above are quite spiritual. So, it has been verified every which way, and back, over thousands of years, nay since the very garden of Eden.

Just get over the shock to they sytem, that science is out of the loop. It is stuck in a play pen for the severely challenged. It can't punch it's way out of a box. All proofs and verification of anything spiritual, and that would include the past and future, leave science in the lurch. It just sits there, pegged to the present state ground in chains, unable to go anywhere talking out the side of it's big mouth.

The only sensible stragegy, when dealing in so called science, kids, is to not believe a thing it says, or waste time listening to it. It spouts only godless gibberish, gobbleygook, and garbage. By it's very nature, it can do nothing else!

 

[sandwiches]

None.

First you said there were tests to verify that the spiritual exists, now you're saying there aren't. Yet again, more self-contradiction from your part. You should make up your mind about what you think you know or you think you believe before stating it.