Evolution is a Fact

[AV1611VET]

Creationism died a long time ago.

Ya, and Nietzsche declared, "God is dead," right?

Well ... Jesus is a Creationist, and that's good enough for me.

 

[laconicstudent]

Ya, and Nietzsche declared, "God is dead," right?

red herring. Cute attempt to link Evolution to Nietzsche though. Usually most creationist try for Hitler or Communism. Kudos for a degree of originality.

Well ... Jesus is a Creationist, and that's good enough for me.

No he wasn't. Jesus spoke to the fact that God created. He never said how.

 

[VirOptimus]

You won't accept the evidence of those who are educated in the field either. You like to sound all high and mighty about education and how no one who is a creationist is educated. Excuse me, but that is so much rubbish. There are plenty of PhD's in the field on the websites previously mentioned as well as others. But you won't listen to them because you don't like what they have to say.

You seem to believe that if the majority believes something then it must be true. If that is the case, then slavery should never have been outlawed, Hitler's Nazi Germany was a great idea and many more things are perfectly great ideas because everyone agrees. Back in the day, the majority believed in Creation.

You clearly dont know hos science work, I again strongly recommend you to educate yourself on the subject.

 

[AV1611VET]

No he wasn't.

Yes, He was; He spoke of the Creation more than once.

Jesus spoke to the fact that God created. He never said how.

You got the "Jesus spoke" part right.

You're forgetting that He is the One who spoke this universe into existence.

 

[laconicstudent]

You're forgetting that He is the One who spoke this universe into existence.

And by what mechanism did the pressure waves God generated in the surrounding media in the act of speaking translate into electromagnetic radiation in the visible wavelength and physical matter?

Please cite your sources and show all of your math.

 

[AV1611VET]

And by what mechanism did the pressure waves God generated in the surrounding media in the act of speaking translate into electromagnetic radiation in the visible wavelength and physical matter?

Please cite your sources and show all of your math.

As I have stated time and again, God did not use science to create this universe.

The amount of mass/energy just before He started creating was zero, and He raised it to its current level over a period of 6 days; much unlike Big Bang, which has all of energy (or pre-energy) encapsulated in a picodot.

This means that the 1st Law of Thermodynamics wasn't even present when God created the universe.

You're thinking creatio ex materia, which is the method of choice for atheists.

Instead, think creatio ex nihilo.

 

[thaumaturgy]

As I have stated time and again, God did not use science to create this universe.

You can always hope!

 

[AV1611VET]

You can always hope!

I can read too.

 

[gipsy]

Ya, and Nietzsche declared, "God is dead," right?

Well ... Jesus is a Creationist, and that's good enough for me.

I know I'll get possibly banned or stoned or worse for my question (and it may not really belong here, but as you admit to reject ToE because of him), but nevertheless it's an honest question and I'm going to ask it:

What is the big deal christianity has with jesus?
Back in the days I learned in the church that Jesus was dying for us to relieve us from sin. But if Jesus really was (a part of) god, then he spent 30 something years of his eternal life on earth and then moved back home into his paradise ... Honestly, I don't believe this could in any way be the definition of a martyr.

Ok, the one without sin may throw the first stone now ...

 

[laconicstudent]

As I have stated time and again, God did not use science to create this universe.

The amount of mass/energy just before He started creating was zero, and He raised it to its current level over a period of 6 days; much unlike Big Bang, which has all of energy (or pre-energy) encapsulated in a picodot.

This means that the 1st Law of Thermodynamics wasn't even present when God created the universe.

You're thinking creatio ex materia, which is the method of choice for atheists.

Instead, think creatio ex nihilo.

Of course. So there is no science in your theory. So you admit that your theory isn't scientific, and therefore the current scientific theories are still true.

 

[laconicstudent]

I know I'll get possibly banned or stoned or worse for my question (and it may not really belong here, but as you admit to reject ToE because of him), but nevertheless it's an honest question and I'm going to ask it:

What is the big deal christianity has with jesus?
Back in the days I learned in the church that Jesus was dying for us to relieve us from sin. But if Jesus really was (a part of) god, then he spent 30 something years of his eternal life on earth and then moved back home into his paradise ... Honestly, I don't believe this could in any way be the definition of a martyr.

Ok, the one without sin may throw the first stone now ...

Um. your forgetting that the "move back home" came after he was flogged, beaten and then executed by crucifixion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course. So there is no science in your theory.

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[thaumaturgy]

, I have no desire to be one. I simply want to ask honest questions and get understandable answers.

But don't "honest questions" indicate an interest in hearing the answer? Seems to me you already indicated you little interest in learning the science, so your "honest questions" are rendered into ex cathedra statements against which you will brook no critique.

I believe there are a thousand loophole in your so called 'fact' of evolution but none of you will admit that there are any.

Scientists are well aware of problems in any scientific discipline. Those errors are not found by Creationists, they are exploited by Creationists. To that end when the defenses arise people do tend to retreat to "absolutes" which is unfortunate.

But Evolution isn't as problematic as Creationists want it to be.

You think if you sew up one hole that the rest of them will all disappear into nothingness. You are misguided.

Again you seem to be under the impression that you somehow know more about how science works on a daily basis than the scientists you preach to.

Sorry to have to break this to you but on a brief read through of the points you've raised on here most of them are what are called PRATTS (Points Refuted a Thousand Times). These are not legitimate critiques of the science. Perhaps you should learn the science so you can find actual critiques of it.

And yes, I can make a judgement based on what I have learned from the bible about a true seeker of God.

Bully for you. I hope you didn't just tell me I hadn't been a true seeker of God during those 30+ years of my life. Because that would denigrate the hours and effort and pain I went through. You really need to learn some humility, dear. (But I'm glad your obtuse level of pride isn't something God couldn't work through to make himself known to you! Congrats!)

If you don't like it, take it up with Scripture, I am not the Author, simply repeating what is in Scripture. There is a great deal more in Scripture about this topic, but I will not share it unless someone asks honestly for me to supply it.

Frankly, Ursie, I don't need you to preach anything to me. I have numerous Christian friends that I can talk to about faith. (In fact almost all of my friends are Christians, I have almost no atheists in my immediate circle).

So save your "pride" for showing off in your Sunday School class.



You don't have to accept this as truth, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.[/quote]

 

[Tinker Grey]

Ok, the one without sin may throw the first stone now ...

Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, OOOOH me .... wait, does it count if you don't believe in sin?

 

[AV1611VET]

What is the big deal christianity has with jesus?

No Jesus = no forgiveness of sins = Hell.

And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

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Honestly, I don't believe this could in any way be the definition of a martyr.

Jesus wasn't martyred --- He submitted His Spirit up to His Father when He chose --- not when man chose.

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[thaumaturgy]

I can read too.

Just be careful and only read the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, OOOOH me .... wait, does it count if you don't believe in sin?

Self-deceived people needn't apply.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Would you like to change your mind?

 

[gipsy]

Um. your forgetting that the "move back home" came after he was flogged, beaten and then executed by crucifixion.

No, I'm not forgetting this (and I want to make it totally clear that I don't want to miscredit your or every others believes, I think this is something everybody is absolutely entitled to) but I really don't get it, crucifixion was a common tactic in this time, and he was not the only one sharing this fate, but he was the only one who already lived an eternity before and will live an eternity after. So, yes he was special, but he was imho not a martyr.

 

[Skaloop]

Ok, the one without sin may throw the first stone now ...

That would be Jesus.

 

[gipsy]

No Jesus = no forgiveness of sins = Hell
....Jesus wasn't martyred --- He submitted His Spirit up to His Father when He chose --- not when man chose.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7341837-14/#post50647297

Sorry, in my understanding you're only making things worse: so Jesus had enough of his hard life on earth and decided himself to go home to his daddy?!

Please don't get me wrong, it's totally your right to believe this, but I don't understand it ...