Answering questions on Evolution

[TheReasoner]

I don't go to church and sing:Then come home and talk like and evolutionist.

Why do you think the two cannot coexist AV?
I sing like that and at the same time I glorify God and thank Him for the wonderful way He has created all life and the universe. Which happens to be through evolution. It doesn't make Mona Lisa an ugly painting that it took time to paint it. It does not make the Taj Mahal ugly or unworthy that it took time to create. Everything in this world is dynamic. Our relationships with God are dynamic. They evolve and develop with time. Life is the same way.

Evolution is not contrary to the Christian faith just because you for some reason think it is. I choose to believe that God is not lessened by the facts revealed by the study of the universe. I don't sing

Thou are worthy, Thou art worthy,
Thou art worthy, O Lord.
To receive glory, glory and honor,
Glory and honor and power.
For Thou hast created,
Hast all things created,
For Thou hast created all things.
And for Thy pleasure they are created.
For Thou art worthy, O Lord.

at home and at church only to go and ignore the wonderful universe He has created. Oh no. I happen to sing that in full knowledge that the world was NOT created during a six day period 6000 years ago. I sing it in full knowledge that the truth is FAR more complex. And that is precisely why I sing it all the more happily. It brings joy to my heart to observe the universe He created, the way He created it. Not the way I wish it was created. The way His voice tells us it was created through creation itself.

 

[Cabal]

I don't go to church and sing:Then come home and talk like and evolutionist.

Nice song.

No reason an evolutionist can't sing it and mean it every bit as much as you do, if not more

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution is not contrary to the Christian faith just because you for some reason think it is.

No reason an evolutionist can't sing it and mean it every bit as much as you do, if not more

I take it then you two disagree with this?

As much as creationists "claim" to love science, they don't really care about it.

Or did you just wait for me to answer, so you could vent some noise?

You do realize that you two are creationists too, don't you?

 

[Cabal]

I take it then you two disagree with this?Or did you just wait for me to answer, so you could vent some noise?

You do realize that you two are creationists too, don't you?

Make up your mind AV, are we allowed to join in with your little singalong or not?

 

[Split Rock]

You do realize that you two are creationists too, don't you?

Once again, when AVET is faced with a reality that tears down one of his little paradigms, he resorts to sophistry and word games. AVET, you know what BananaSlug meant by "creationists" and you know he wasn't referring to theistic evolutionists. Shame on you (again)

 

[AV1611VET]

AVET, you know what BananaSlug meant by "creationists" and you know he wasn't referring to theistic evolutionists.

What was he specifically referring to then?

 

[Cabal]

Once again, when AVET is faced with a reality that tears down one of his little paradigms, he resorts to sophistry and word games. AVET, you know what BananaSlug meant by "creationists" and you know he wasn't referring to theistic evolutionists. Shame on you (again)

It wouldn't make much difference even if BananaSlug was referring to the TEs - there is still a marked difference in how TEs and YECs (yes, AV, I know you don't count yourself as one but anyway) engage with science - and yet AV wants to get us onside with him after quoting a hymn in order to score points against us. I'm not sure exactly what he expects from that....

 

[AV1611VET]

It wouldn't make much difference even if BananaSlug was referring to the TEs - there is still a marked difference in how TEs and YECs (yes, AV, I know you don't count yourself as one but anyway) engage with science - and yet AV wants to get us onside with him after quoting a hymn in order to score points against us. I'm not sure exactly what he expects from that....

Don't you think it's ... interesting ... that when Banana Slug used the word, no one but I said anything; but when I quoted the same word in a song, you all start arcing and sparking?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm waiting for clarification.

 

[TheReasoner]

I take it then you two disagree with this?Or did you just wait for me to answer, so you could vent some noise?

You do realize that you two are creationists too, don't you?

That depends on the definition of the word AV. Most definitions do NOT fit me.

 

[AV1611VET]

That depends on the definition of the word AV.

That's what I'm trying to determine, myself.

 

[Gracchus]

Don't you think it's ... interesting ... that when Banana Slug used the word, no one but I said anything; but when I quoted the same word in a song, you all start arcing and sparking?

It's not the words you use that cause the "arcing and sparking", AV1611VET. It's how you string them together. Your wiring is all frayed.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's not the words you use that cause the "arcing and sparking", AV1611VET. It's how you string them together. Your wiring is all frayed.

Nope --- sorry --- try again.

All I did was quote a song.

I'm not going to worry about it too much.

As far as I'm concerned, he meant what he said and insulted all creationists.

You guys who want to jump in and claim, "He didn't mean me!", go right ahead.

 

[Cabal]

Don't you think it's ... interesting ... that when Banana Slug used the word, no one but I said anything; but when I quoted the same word in a song, you all start arcing and sparking?

It wasn't the same word.

Creationist =/= created

Cut the semantic crap.

And in future, I'd appreciate it if you didn't raise hymn lyrics just to create division - that's why I'm arcing and sparking.

Don't worry, you've received your reward in full, as the text goes

I'm waiting for clarification.

I'm giving you a hard time because unlike you, BananaSlug doesn't have a history of being divisive amongst the people on his side of the debate and resorting to semantic trickery to score points. And he hasn't sauntered in here throwing a post count and the moral high ground around like it's going out of fashion and then presented absolutely nothing to show for it.

 

[Cabal]

Nope --- sorry --- try again.

All I did was quote a song.

I'm not going to worry about it too much.

As far as I'm concerned, he meant what he said and insulted all creationists.

You guys who want to jump in and claim, "He didn't mean me!", go right ahead.

Well, see, thing is he wasn't using your own special brand of definitions, so it really doesn't matter what YOU think on this one.

And like I said before, it doesn't really matter, because firstly, there is a marked difference between how TEs view science and you view science, that no generalised definition of "creationist" can transcend (if creationists weren't such arrogant sanctimonious so-and-so's, who knows we might have a bit more pride in the term).

Secondly, I'm more concerned about someone who comes in here waving his faith like a flag and then goes and quote a hymn to score points against evolutionists. Hope you enjoyed the moment of piety, it's all you're going to get from it.

Don't feel too bad, AV, I'm just holding you to a higher standard than those who don't come in here waving their faith like a flag.

 

[BananaSlug]

I don't go to church and sing:Then come home and talk like and evolutionist.

This thread was meant for those who were actually interesting in learning something. It wasn't meant for those who want to blather on about some incoherent nonsense then run away when the questions given to them are too hard for them to skirt around.
If you didn't care to ask an honest question in the first place, that means the only reason to post in this thread was to troll.

By using the word "creationist", I specifically meant those who believe in the special creation via Genesis 1, regardless of OEC or YEC affliation.

 

[AV1611VET]

This thread was meant for those who were actually interesting in learning something.

After you, my friend ---

 

[Split Rock]

What was he specifically referring to then?

So, you are now including TE's in with "Creationists?" Does this mean you no longer have a problem differentiating between TE's and atheists, like you claimed you did just recently?

 

[BananaSlug]

After you, my friend ---

Okay AV, here you go:

So how is C14 dating a bone to 12,000 years actually different from K-Ar dating a rock when scientists are using the same concept for both methods?

Why would a bone have 12,000 years of age in the first place? Did God put it there? If not, who did?

How does a fossil get into a rock that is 250 million years old?

How does a limestone layer get wedged between a 10 million year old layer of rock and a 5 million year old layer of rock? Based on your idea, God embedded the age into those two layers during creation. But how exactly did that limestone get in there? Limestone is made of the shells of millions of dead organisms and often has the bones of other aquatic animals. How exactly did it get between two layers of solid, embedded-age rock?

^The above are serious questions about your "embedded age" scenario that you continually refuse to answer. I want to know how your idea would explain the evidence that seems to contradict it. As of right now you have done everything you can to prevent from answering them. I am waiting to learn...

 

[AV1611VET]

I am waiting to learn...

I would like clarification, please, on what you meant by "creationists".

I see this was pretty much a failed thread, much as I thought it would be. As much as creationists "claim" to love science, they don't really care about it. They do not care about learning because if they learn evolution is true, then in their mind that could eventually mean the whole Bible is suspect. They have a very childish "all or nothing" view of the Bible.