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[dad]

Really. I hear about people seeing spirits all the time. especially on fox. UFO's too.

personal testimony can only go so far and that's in today world. In a time of yesterday people were even MORE superstitious because they diden't know why it rained or that the world was round, or that the sun is a star. People make stuff up to explain what they don't understand.

You know that a literal interpretation of the bible is at odds with reality. so you attack science itself rather then its evidence because you know the evidence is irrefutable.

The evidence for spirits is nill. For or against. No way to ague against that obvious fact of the limits of science! The creation was always know to be connected to a creator, hence the worship of the sun, etc. More proof that modern man is less intelligent than men of old, I'd say Today they are as fools, actually believing there is no god, in their hearts.

The reality of today is anything but at odds with the bible, we are told it is temporal, and will pass away. Only the insane clinging to the temporal for no other reason than ignorance, makes it seem like it is the be all end all.

Jesus cast out demons, did anyone see them? No. That was never recorded. Sometimes they spoke through people, but were not seen. Yet they were well known, by the effects they had on the possessed.

Science of the temporal stste is not expected to be able to see them! The evidence mounts!

 

[gaara4158]

Jesus cast out demons, did anyone see them? No. That was never recorded. Sometimes they spoke through people, but were not seen. Yet they were well known, by the effects they had on the possessed.

did it go something like this?

YouTube - Real Exorcism

 

[mpok1519]

and most exorcisms happen because of mental illness.

they try to treat real diseases with witchcraft, and guess what happens? The "demons" never go away. They just keep having to give the exorcist a weekly paycheck to keep the evil spirits away.

 

[dad]

did it go something like this?

No. He actually had power. He never badgered them out He ordered them out, pronto, as fast as you can say 'beat it'

 

[dad]

and most exorcisms happen because of mental illness.

they try to treat real diseases with witchcraft, and guess what happens? The "demons" never go away. They just keep having to give the exorcist a weekly paycheck to keep the evil spirits away.

No idea who witchy witches who where or when. Apparently you insinuate that spirits are a result of mental illness. On the contrary, it is a mental block, and prejudice that blinds men to the realities of the spiritual.

 

[MoonLancer]

The evidence for spirits is nill.

...The evidence mounts!

having problems keeping your story straight?

 

[MoonLancer]

Apparently you insinuate that spirits are a result of mental illness.

mpok may not be insinuating this, but i will

Spirits are the result of mental illness. it is the same all the way back in your other state too.

 

[mpok1519]

No. He actually had power. He never badgered them out He ordered them out, pronto, as fast as you can say 'beat it'

yeah cuz you were there to video tape it lol

 

[mpok1519]

People thought that the plague, and all kinds of terrible diseases were the cause of demons and spirits back in the day.

The white euorpean settlers would trick native americans into thinking that the reason they were getting sick with smallpox was because of their godless and savage religion. The white priests would say "Hey, bow to our God, and you'll get better." And the natives would convert, and then the white europeans would give them medicine and the cure for those diseases, tricking them into thinking it was religion that cured them, when in reality, it was the white-man's disease that made the natives sick, and it was the white-mans manipulation and false promises that made them get better.

Some, however, did not get better; to this the whites said "He is not devoute enough; his body has rejected the holy spirit, and rejected health."

When, in reality, it was all just disease and people who would manipulate others into thinking evil spirits are the cause of their sickness; the same way it is now.

Its a sick sad example of man's predatory nature. Yes, when you actively manipulate truth into your own advantage in oder to manipulate others, you are indeed a predator preying on peoples' insecurities.

 

[dad]

People thought that the plague, and all kinds of terrible diseases were the cause of demons and spirits back in the day.

Prove it.

The white euorpean settlers would trick native americans into thinking that the reason they were getting sick with smallpox was because of their godless and savage religion.

BS. Pure and simple. The missionaries, and even godly traders were nothing like that.

The white priests would say "Hey, bow to our God, and you'll get better." And the natives would convert, and then the white europeans would give them medicine and the cure for those diseases, tricking them into thinking it was religion that cured them, when in reality, it was the white-man's disease that made the natives sick, and it was the white-mans manipulation and false promises that made them get better.

BS. The reason whites came was because whites were the ones that were from Europe. To tarnish all whites with your racist brush would be intellectual lobotomy. As well as moral degeneracy. Not to mention dishonest and racist gibberish.

Some, however, did not get better; to this the whites said "He is not devoute enough; his body has rejected the holy spirit, and rejected health."

Thanks for sharing your brainwashed dreams. Interesting.

When, in reality, it was all just disease and people who would manipulate others into thinking evil spirits are the cause of their sickness; the same way it is now.

Well, no. It was also the unmissionary, greedy, whiskey trading types, that actually did things like spread smallpox, by leaving infected blankets or carcasses out for the natives.

Its a sick sad example of man's predatory nature.

Indeed! As well as a sick and perverse fabrication and wet dream. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, when you actively manipulate truth into your own advantage in oder to manipulate others, you are indeed a predator preying on peoples' insecurities.

I see. So now I am the bad guy in your dreamfest. OK. Thanks for that.

 

[dad]

mpok may not be insinuating this, but i will

Spirits are the result of mental illness. it is the same all the way back in your other state too.

Prove it! Never heard such an insane claim, that is so hopelessly baseless. What an insult to men of all ages. What in box narrow mindedness.

 

[dad]

having problems keeping your story straight?

Not at all, if you can focus. The temporal state knowledge is expected to be void of any spiritual savvy. It is. The evidence does mount, for my position, right on cue.

 

[dad]

That's true about Gods like yours dad, Odin, Thor and hundreds of others, all constructs of man imagination,
India has hundreds and hundreds of Gods all worshiped and believed in with all their hearts,
just as yours is, no more no less, they are as sure as you that their Gods exist,
but of course they are only peasants what do they know about a real God like yours?

If you believe in no gods, how would you know which is more or less? You rule yourself out as having any possible clue! That saves me time! Thanks for that.

Yes some believed the world was held aloft by a giant stood on the back of a turtle,
just shows how far some people have progressed, doesn't it?

No. It shows how some grasp at unimportant, mostly unknown straws. How drool.

I think you should change that to read, SOME modern men are less intelligent than men of old.

OK. Some are. Glad we agree. One problem with that, though, either you or I are one of them.

[quote[As fools for not believing in a nonexistant God, but they only believe in one less God than you dad,
why don't you believe in all of the other Gods?
I think it's because your God got to you first, otherwise.....who knows??[/quote]

So can we take it you believe in spirits?? Or are you just talking through your swami hat? Did I ask for a vote on whose spirits are what? No. Is this a forum to have a shrine to a cockroach god? No. It is a place where you get to prove stuff you claim, having to do with science.


I have pointed out that the dates, for example, rattled off in the OP video can't be supported. No one has tried. Your side line would be point seems to be that there are many spirits, so that somehow means that all spiritual is false? Be clear. Be topical.

 

[AV1611VET]

To tarnish all whites with your racist brush would be intellectual lobotomy. As well as moral degeneracy. Not to mention dishonest and racist gibberish.

I think these guys, who just love to bring up Kent Hovind, are forgetting who Time Magazine's Man of the Year for 1938 was.

Nothing like straining gnats while swallowing camels, eh?

This forum is just so full of experts, it dazzles me.

 

[Cabal]

I think these guys, who just love to bring up Kent Hovind, are forgetting who Time Magazine's Man of the Year for 1938 was.

Nothing like straining gnats while swallowing camels, eh?

This forum is just so full of experts, it dazzles me.

Time Magazine isn't a science magazine, and Hitler wasn't a scientist. What's your point?

And there are a lot more than Hovind making the Church look bad....

 

[LightSeaker]

This forum is just so full of experts, it dazzles me.

It's good to be dazzled.

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[dad]

I think these guys, who just love to bring up Kent Hovind, are forgetting who Time Magazine's Man of the Year for 1938 was.

Nothing like straining gnats while swallowing camels, eh?

This forum is just so full of experts, it dazzles me.

I assume that was Hitler? I think many militant atheists would much prefer their own sinners, over the sinners from the ranks of believers? Look at Barabbas, and Jesus! The terrorist they liked more than the innocent of all innocents. I suspect if we had a poll even here, some might prefer to have Jim Baker, or Hovind face the death penalty over Charles Manson?!

I didn't follow the Hovind carreer, or case. What did they nail him for?

 

[AV1611VET]

I didn't follow the Hovind carreer, or case. What did they nail him for?

He was convicted, I believe, for fraudluent practices.

In his ministry, for example, he paid his staff via "love offerings", instead of wages, and thus bypassed paying taxes.

Of course, the atheists set him up now as the poster child for "Christian virtue".

 

[Gracchus]

I think these guys, who just love to bring up Kent Hovind, are forgetting who Time Magazine's Man of the Year for 1938 was.

Nothing like straining gnats while swallowing camels, eh?

This forum is just so full of experts, it dazzles me.

Well, the experts would at least know that the Time "Man of the Year" is not an honor, but a recognition of power and influence. It is about shaping history, although not necessarily for the better.

And to the person living in darkness, a glow-worm is dazzling.

 

[dad]

He was convicted, I believe, for fraudluent practices.

In his ministry, for example, he paid his staff via "love offerings", instead of wages, and thus bypassed paying taxes.

Of course, the atheists set him up now as the poster child for "Christian virtue".

I think not paying taxes, where legally possible is a sacred duty! Look how they spend it!

I remember Jim Baker a bit. I was shocked when hearing the first sentence that he was getting. I think they reduced it soon after for varous reasons. If I recall, it was something like 40 years!?

Then I look at child molesters and killers getting off with maybe a few years....