Is there a creation theory?

[AV1611VET]

If you could try to put forth some examples of evidence, we could refute them.

Don't think I didn't catch this slip of the tongue --- but let me say this:

1. There is no evidence for the Creation --- none.
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The Creation was done ex nihilo, which leaves no evidence behind.

2. God [obviously] cleaned up after the Flood.
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Which would mean there was no evidence left behind --- unless left behind on purpose.

 

[Hespera]

AV sez

2. God [obviously] cleaned up after the Flood.
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Which would mean there was no evidence left behind --- unless left behind on purpose.


hespera sez

you will have to opint out the "obvious' to all the theocreos who are so determined that they ahve evidence of the flood everywhere they look.

what is weird is that you cant see the REALLY obvious, that there-was-no-flood.

 

[Nathan Poe]

2. God [obviously] cleaned up after the Flood.
Which would mean there was no evidence left behind --- unless left behind on purpose.

of course, you say [obviously] because the other explanation for the lack of evidence is that it didn't happen. Since you cannot fathom that possibility, you're forced to add things to the Bible which aren't there.

 

[Darkness27]

Don't think I didn't catch this slip of the tongue --- but let me say this:

1. There is no evidence for the Creation --- none.
​

The Creation was done ex nihilo, which leaves no evidence behind.

2. God [obviously] cleaned up after the Flood.
​

Which would mean there was no evidence left behind --- unless left behind on purpose.

Interesting, as others have already caught on, you are adding something major to our world history after the flood (God cleaned up) that wasn't mentioned in the bible. That being said could I then say that God used evolution to create the diversity of life that we see today?

 

[ReverendDG]

Don't think I didn't catch this slip of the tongue --- but let me say this:

1. There is no evidence for the Creation --- none.
​

The Creation was done ex nihilo, which leaves no evidence behind.

2. God [obviously] cleaned up after the Flood.
​

Which would mean there was no evidence left behind --- unless left behind on purpose.

prove it was done ex nihilo, the text doesn't say ex nihilo it says god created from water, just like every other myth
where does it say god cleaned up anything in the bible AV? it doesn't say anything like that and you know it, you are adding to the bible and as the bible says you will be destroyed for it.

 

[sbvera13]

They aren't --- let me remind you what I was responding to:So I responded with a list of "anything" they too handwave away.

Quid pro quo.

Quid pro quo indeed. Since your list is all things you handwaved in, it only makes sense for us to handwave them out.

 

[AV1611VET]

of course, you say [obviously] because the other explanation for the lack of evidence is that it didn't happen.

Or you haven't found it yet.

Since you cannot fathom that possibility, you're forced to add things to the Bible which aren't there.

Not hardly --- you see, when I say there's no evidence for the Flood, what I'm saying is that I'm agreeing with scientists that they haven't found any yet.

Should they look tomorrow, and find some, then I'll change my stance as well (like I did Pluto), and claim there is evidence.

I really don't care if they look or not.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting, as others have already caught on, you are adding something major to our world history after the flood (God cleaned up) that wasn't mentioned in the bible. That being said could I then say that God used evolution to create the diversity of life that we see today?

No --- and here's why:

Saying God cleaned up the mess after the Flood is not contradicting anything in the Scriptures, because there's nothing written in Them that say He didn't clean it up.

By contrast, saying God used macroevolution to create the diversity of life that we see today would contradict the Scriptures in four major areas, that I have detailed here: 1.

 

[AV1611VET]

prove it was done ex nihilo

I don't have to prove it.

Creatio ex nihilo is the basic doctrine of choice among Bible literalists --- of which I am one.

the text doesn't say ex nihilo it says god created from water, just like every other myth

No, It doesn't.

There are at least two "earths" mentioned in the Bible --- the earth as a whole --- and the earth as land.

The earth, as land, was created ex materia --- but the earth, as a whole, was created ex nihilo.

It goes like this:

1. In the beginning, God creates [Third] Heaven --- ex nihilo --- Genesis 1:1.
2. He then creates a mass of water in the hollow of His hand --- ex nihilo --- Isaiah 40:12 --- see below.*
3. He then has dry land appear from inside of this mass of water --- ex materia --- Genesis 1:9.

where does it say god cleaned up anything in the bible AV?

The Bible does not say God cleaned up after the Flood --- (as far as I know).

it doesn't say anything like that and you know it, you are adding to the bible and as the bible says you will be destroyed for it.

I am not adding to the Bible --- saying God cleaned up the mess is simply hypothesizing.

Where do you think the Flood water went?

*Terra Aqua --- the Earth --- prior to Genesis 1:9

 

[MrGoodBytes]

No --- and here's why:

Saying God cleaned up the mess after the Flood is not contradicting anything in the Scriptures, because there's nothing written in Them that say He didn't clean it up.

By contrast, saying God used macroevolution to create the diversity of life that we see today would contradict the Scriptures in four major areas, that I have detailed here: 1.

There isn't anything contradicting the claim that Jesus went to India after the resurrection either, but somehow I doubt that you believe that.

 

[Hespera]

There isn't anything contradicting the claim that Jesus went to India after the resurrection either, but somehow I doubt that you believe that.

A couple of polite well dressed young men told me that Jesus came to the USA.

Angels told someone where to find the gold books with the whole story, and showed how to translate them. One man, I was told, could not have made up such a story, or written such a book; it had to be real. Lots of sworn witnesses too.

No mention of India but apparently the story does not end with the NT.

 

[AV1611VET]

There isn't anything contradicting the claim that Jesus went to India after the resurrection either, but somehow I doubt that you believe that.

Jesus is in India right now.

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[AV1611VET]

A couple of polite well dressed young men told me that Jesus came to the USA.

Jesus is in the USA right now.

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Jesus is in India right now.

No doubt. The question is: did he, in his physical form, travel to India right after the resurrection? Quite a few people believe so, and why shouldn't they? After all, the Bible doesn't say that he did not go to India!

 

[AV1611VET]

No doubt. The question is: did he, in his physical form, travel to India right after the resurrection? Quite a few people believe so, and why shouldn't they? After all, the Bible doesn't say that he did not go to India!

If you're talking about the 40-day period between His resurrection and His ascension --- I have no idea if He went to India or not.

I doubt it, but it is not documented that He didn't.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

If you're talking about the 40-day period between His resurrection and His ascension --- I have no idea if He went to India or not.

I doubt it, but it is not documented that He didn't.

Why do you doubt it?

 

[Hespera]

Jesus is in the USA right now.

The book i was referencing says he was here in physical form walking about here and there. But thats too hot to handle.

Thus , the famous av off topic quip, or FAVOTQ

 

[AV1611VET]

Why do you doubt it?

I automatically doubt any claims of sightings of Jesus outside of the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

The book i was referencing...

I thought you said a couple of well-dressed men told you.

A couple of polite well dressed young men told me that Jesus came to the USA.

 

[Hespera]

I thought you said a couple of well-dressed men told you.

FAVOTQ