Is there a creation theory?

[LightSeaker]

I automatically doubt any claims of sightings of Jesus outside of the Bible.

Interesting. I see Jesus Christ with in the very foundation of Life itself. Everywhere I turn my eyes, there Jesus Christ is.

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[AV1611VET]

Everywhere I turn my eyes, there Jesus Christ is.

Except in the Bible?

 

[LightSeaker]

I don't have to prove it.

Creatio ex nihilo is the basic doctrine of choice among Bible literalists --- of which I am one.

Ohhh, so your finally stating that "creatio ex nihilo" is not a fact of truth. It's a choice.

Doctrines are not God breathed. Doctrines are images created in the minds of men. Than you go on to admit that you "choose" to accept a particular man created image. Which tells me that you don't really know how God creates. Since that's the case, let me suggest evolution and the geology process. Evolution and geology provides a pretty good window in God's Creating process. Try it out.


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[AV1611VET]

Ohhh, so your finally stating that "creatio ex nihilo" is not a fact of truth. It's a choice.

Even Truth is accepted or rejected.

Doctrines are not God breathed.

Really?

And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

Care to rethink that position?

Doctrines are images created in the minds of men.

Some are --- some aren't.

Than you go on to admit that you "choose" to accept a particular man created image.

Some doctrines --- like Dispensation Theology --- are good for learning purposes.

As Chuck Missler put it: the Bible is written in what's called spread-spectrum design.

What this simply means is that not all the doctrines are placed in one section --- they are spread out all over the Word of God.

Thus, you can just randomly tear out a page --- or even several pages --- and still get the full doctrine.

Which tells me that you don't really know how God creates.

God said how He created --- He spoke this universe into existence.

Since that's the case, let me suggest evolution and the geology process.

No, thank you --- those processes didn't even start until after the Fall --- in Genesis 3.

The Creation is dealt with in Genesis 1.

Evolution and geology provides a pretty good window in God's Creating process.

No, it doesn't --- it provides for mutation, death, and struggle for survival --- things that God is going to put a stop to.

Is evolution going to be a part of the New Heaven and New Earth --- or is evolution going to be apart of the New Heaven and New Earth?

Try it out.

No, thank you.

 

[atomweaver]

No, it doesn't --- it provides for mutation, death, and struggle for survival --- things that God is going to put a stop to.

Incorrect, evolution is about mutation, and the struggle to reproduce. Without death, evolution still works (but things get crowded more quickly)...\

Maybe it's the 'sex' thing that makes theocreologists shy away from evolution? Sometimes I think they'd much rather talk about death and mutation, than talk about sex.

 

[AV1611VET]

Without death, evolution still works...

No, it doesn't.

What's that you call it --- the Carbon Cycle --- or the Nitrogen Cycle --- something like that?

And what's a food chain?

 

[Hespera]

No, it doesn't.

What's that you call it --- the Carbon Cycle --- or the Nitrogen Cycle --- something like that?

And what's a food chain?

Id say AV is right about how death is integral to life as we know it. Tho that is not how he puts it.

I wonder how much of people's belief in the religions that they think up is just related to the inability to come to terms with the fact that death is real.

 

[atomweaver]

Id say AV is right about how death is integral to life as we know it.

Aye, there's the rub. To put it differently; Without death, I agree that it wouldn't be life as we know it, but there is still the potential for evolution.

I wonder how much of people's belief in the religions that they think up is just related to the inability to come to terms with the fact that death is real.

To hazard an arbitrary guess; all of it.

 

[atomweaver]

No, it doesn't.

Sure it does. Just because there is death, doesn't mean that evolution wouldn't work without it, but it does mean that life and evolution would be markedly different from what we observe.

What's that you call it --- the Carbon Cycle --- or the Nitrogen Cycle --- something like that?

You are being too vague for me to have a clear idea what you are talking about. Without death, these cycles would rely upon respiration waste only, rather than decay plus waste.... is that what you were asking?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Except in the Bible?

If we see Jesus Christ everywhere else, what do we need a Bible for? How limiting.

 

[BananaSlug]

You mean, if it emits light in the 430 trillion - 750 trillion Hz range?

A typical human eye will respond to wavelengths from about 380 to 750 nm. In terms of frequency, this corresponds to a band in the vicinity of 790–400 terahertz.

Was that the range these guys were transmitting in all along?

What?

---You conveniently dropped a word here --- I said Shekinah Light.

Yes but 1 John 1:5 does not say God's "dwelling place" is light. It literally says "God is light".

I'm not gonna play games with you guys --- I hope you know that.

But you expect us to play games with you? That's fair...

 

[BananaSlug]

No doubt. The question is: did he, in his physical form, travel to India right after the resurrection? Quite a few people believe so, and why shouldn't they? After all, the Bible doesn't say that he did not go to India!

Don't forget, he went from being twelve to 33! Maybe he traveled there between that time period!

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't forget, he went from being twelve to 33! Maybe he traveled there between that time period!

I'm sure you meant 30.

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age...

 

[Hespera]

He came to the USA too, after. i heard about that. it is in a book with many lines that start "and it came to pass". After you say "and it came to pass" there is no room left to argue or maneuver. So he was here walking about to and fro.

 

[Hespera]

THE TESTIMONY OF EIGHT WITNESSES
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.
Christian Whitmer
Jacob Whitmer
Peter Whitmer, Jun
John Whitmer
Hiram Page
Joseph Smith, Sen
Hyrum Smith
Samuel H. Smith

 

[AV1611VET]

He came to the USA too, after. i heard about that. it is in a book with many lines that start "and it came to pass". After you say "and it came to pass" there is no room left to argue or maneuver. So he was here walking about to and fro.

I happen to have read [some of] that book as well --- and made a mental note of the many "and it came to passes".

 

[BananaSlug]

I'm sure you meant 30.

My bad. I did mean 30. Sometimes my brain works faster than my fingers.

 

[AV1611VET]

My bad. I did mean 30. Sometimes my brain works faster than my fingers.

No problem ---