Is there a creation theory?

[Darkness27]

Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi

We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?

 

[Nathan45]

No.

 

[sbvera13]

No.

As much as I'd like something to debate, it's hard to start a discussion about nothing. There's really nothing left to add to this answer.

 

[dewaddict84]

God did it.

Or whatever creator of your choosing. "It" is very much left open to be, well, anything and everything. Proving evolution wrong really would take a miracle, and a good one at that.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi

We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?

Hello and welcome to the forums! To answer your question: no, there isn't. Not only there is no theory of creation in the scientific sense of the word, but creationism is not at all the homogenous movement its followers like to portray it as. In this forum alone, we have and had:

• Young earth creationists who believe that everything happened as described in Genesis, up to and including the Flood, in the past ~6000 years
• Old earth creationists, who accept that this planet is billions of years old but deny that evolution exists
• Heliocentrists
• Creationists who believe in some ill-defined "change" in the past and use this to handwave away
• People who believe that God created Earth 6000 years ago, then "embedded" age into it to make it an old planet (note that I didn't say make it appear)
• Creationists who believe that Noah's Ark and the Pharao's chariots have been found
• Creationists who claim that no evidence for creation or evidence supporting the Bible's version can ever be found
• Creationists who affirm that evidence can/will be found or has already been found

To develop a working creationist theory, one would either have to find common ground everyone agrees on or find a way to distinguish the correct version from the false ones (assuming there is a correct version, of course). I don't see either happening anytime soon.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi

Hi, Darkness --- nice to meet you --- and welcome to CF ---

We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?

I'm going to answer NO to this for three reasons:

1. Creation is not the opposite of evolution --- evolution deals with life after it got started.
2. There is no such thing as abiogenesis --- God created life.
3. Unless one believes that energy has always existed (like we believe God has always existed), they cannot be anything other than a creationist themselves --- (or in denial).

Science teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe is a constant, and has always been a constant.

The Bible teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Hope to see you around!

 

[BananaSlug]

The Bible teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Wrong. If God actually exists he is made of something. If God is made of matter then he is also made of energy. You are a potential atheist!

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong. If God actually exists he is made of something. If God is made of matter then he is also made of energy. You are a potential atheist!

And if He isn't made of matter?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Hespera]

And if He isn't made of matter?

Thread Hijack Alert!

 

[Cabal]

And if He isn't made of matter?

You think science should wait to see if angels are made of what element again?

Thread Hijack Alert!

Given that there isn't a theory of creation, I think this thread can officially progress to whatever now.

 

[MaxP]

Wrong. If God actually exists he is made of something. If God is made of matter then he is also made of energy. You are a potential atheist!

God would be prior to mass/energy.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

God would be prior to mass/energy.

He would, would he?

 

[Hespera]

God would be prior to mass/energy.

No mass, no energy, no time, no space, that is a pretty good description for something that does not exist.

 

[Washington]

Quick correction.

It isn't the theory of evolution, but the the theories of evolution. The distinction being that evolution itself is an accepted fact, and it's the ways and means by which evolution operates that the theories address.
As for the theory of creation, there is none. It's simply an asserted fact based on ancient writings.

 

[Hespera]

Quick correction.

It isn't the theory of evolution, but the the theories of evolution. The distinction being that evolution itself is an accepted fact, and it's the ways and means by which evolution operates that the theories address.
As for the theory of creation, there is none. It's simply an asserted fact based on ancient writings.

It seems to me that any actual theory needs to have some sort of data to go with it. Creationism has a data problem.

 

[AV1611VET]

Quick correction.

It isn't the theory of evolution, but the the theories of evolution. The distinction being that evolution itself is an accepted fact, and it's the ways and means by which evolution operates that the theories address.
As for the theory of creation, there is none. It's simply an asserted fact based on ancient writings.

Whatever it is (or they are), it (or they) has (or have)

to do with the Creation.

 

[TheBear]

Is there a creation theory?

In the layman's use of the word 'theory', (which could mean anything from wild speculation to hunch), yes. In the scientific use of the word 'theory', no.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

creation scientific theory? no.
creation guess based on nothing but a religion? yes.

 

[MaxP]

No mass, no energy, no time, no space, that is a pretty good description for something that does not exist.

If you were to ask if God existed in a way in which we are familiar(naturally), I'd say He didn't. Hence the whole Supernatural part. The whole point of God is that He is not of anything we know, since He is the creator of all we know.

 

[ragarth]

Hi everyone, I'm obviously new here, so I thought I would just take some time to say hi: Hi

We all know there is a theory of evolution, whether we all understand it or not, but if by some miracle evolution was proven false, does creation have its own theory to take evolution's place if the need arise?

It's claimants say yes, but creationism's reliance upon omnipotence and omniscience make it untestable and therefore unscientific since an omnipotent and omniscient entity could hide itself perfectly from us, thereby rendering the results of any test useless.

Further, it's my opinion that if we assume an intelligence can exist outside time then we can assume non-intelligence can exist outside time. Since intelligence existing outside time represents an extra assumption ontop of the idea of just existing outside time (in opposition to non-intelligence existing outside time), the idea of intelligence existing outside time fails Occam's razor in this comparison. Less complexity/fewer assumptions = more likely between two ideas, everything else being equal.