Somebody has got to do something!

[Hockey_Fan]

Being a 26 year veteran, I see things from a Military perspective. From a military point of view, 9-11 was pale when compared to what the USAF has done to just one of many cities. When we carpet bomb, fire bomb, atomic bomb, or cluster bomb cities killing civilians by the tens if not hundreds of thousands, we refer to it as "Strategic bombing" AKA a viable act of war. When someone returns the favor, it is a horrible act of terrorism.

It is also arrogant to proclaim "We have done nothingto deserve this!" This is like the Book of Job in reverse. While it is wrong to assume everyone who suffers is doing so in just desert for some sin they commited, it is also wrong to proclaim "We have not sinned and therfore don't deserve this!"
America as been a arrogant empire since 1899. We have imposed our ways upon other nations since then. Following WW2, we arrogantly proclaimed "Were it not for us, you would all be chanting sieg Hiel! So you WILL do things our way!"
As such, we are not as innocent as many would self rightiously proclaim.
This idea that everything was ok until Obama was elected is also wrong. God is not a mascott for any political party. Nobody assumes power without Gods permission. Nobody! id has been said that God appoints only two types of leaders. Leaders who are better than what we deserve and ones who are exactly what we deserve. It has been a long time since we had any of the former.

Good post. I agree.America may claim to be a "Christian nation", but its actions speak otherwise.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

do you know what the bible says are the signs?

It's not just "bad stuff" - like.... sin.
It's a combination of specifics like increase of knowledge
seeking global peace
world unrest
race against race
loss of natural affection
increase of earthquakes/weather anomolies
increase in violence/lawlessness
economic calamity - and other things

I'd really suggest that if people are going to mock or reject prophetic
signs that they'de first do some research on what the Bible
actually says in some detail.
Does anyone actually listen to teachers & Pastors who
preach on prophetical signs?
Or is everyone self taught around here?

If nobody is going to take the time to study this and see
what the facts are about it, I hardly consider it wise to
sit in contempt on an issue

I listen to all that is said, take everything with a grain of salt. I tend to pay more heed to persons who actually demonstrate the fruits of the spirit and godliness in their lives, rather than the self-righteous loudmouths who want to remove the speck in my eye but can't see the beam in their own eyes.

The pastor of a church I attend is doing a series of teaching on Revelation and prophecy that is quite interesting. I'm open-minded and not sure how all the pieces fit together just yet.

I agree with much of what you have said, but I can't blame it all on one person, one political party or one nation. Much broader than that. Ours is not the first wicked generation in the history of mankind. I dare say there have been others that were far worse.

 

[Texas Lynn]

...and a ineligible president could get 20 years to life imprisonment for fraud among other things...

If the U.S. had a law barring "idiots and lunatics" from serving in office like Texas did that could be devastating then.

You may as well argue he's really under 35. There's got to be as much evidence of that as there is of the current silly allegations.

 

[Texas Lynn]

His mom was not able to pass citizenship to Obama because of the laws in Hawaii at the time...

Impossible because state laws do not address citizenship in the nation; only national laws do.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The Americas are much more Christian than in Europe..

No, but they are more fundamentalist.

so i don't see how the US could be being judged about the Christian issue.. or we'd have been judged long ago in the UK. .. just look at the state of it over here.. there's nothing but Christian bashing, homosexual-promoting, moral scandal, everything you could want for a pre-Christian country.. well they'v got that now.. i hope they are happy.

FYI, "Christian" countries have as many moral scandals as other kinds; they just try to hide it more.

 

[Texas Lynn]

It's people who left Europe to come here for religious freedom if I understand our history correctly?

Right; and then they immediately sought to deny the freedom they sought to others.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

If the U.S. had a law barring "idiots and lunatics" from serving in office like Texas did that could be devastating then.

Texas passed a law barring "idiots and lunatics" from serving in office? Must be called the "Bush law". Although, granted, Rick Perry (a/k/a "Governor Good Hair") isn't much better.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

Right; and then they immediately sought to deny the freedom they sought to others.

Yep, thus Roger Williams left and founded Rhode Island. It's the age-old trick of we're all for religious freedom for those who agree with us.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

I'm just outraged by Obama and the people who pledge to "be a servant to our president". His anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-life policies coupled with pro-terrorist, pro-death, humans-are-a-cancer-that-must-be-destroyed agenda... it's satanic....

I'm with you.

 

[Nadiine]

Yep, thus Roger Williams left and founded Rhode Island. It's the age-old trick of we're all for religious freedom for those who agree with us.

Um, be careful on that statement... hypocrisy is RAMPANT
w/ liberals where this type of thing is concerned.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Um, be careful on that statement... hypocrisy is RAMPANT
w/ liberals where this type of thing is concerned.

Evidence?

 

[Nadiine]

Evidence?

I don't have time to go floating all thru CF to pick them out -

but here's some to keep U busy for awhile
http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_hypocrisy


http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=37;t=001028;p=1

 

[LightHorseman]

do you know what the bible says are the signs?

It's not just "bad stuff" - like.... sin.
It's a combination of specifics like increase of knowledge
seeking global peace
world unrest
race against race
loss of natural affection
increase of earthquakes/weather anomolies
increase in violence/lawlessness
economic calamity - and other things

I though Global Peace was supposed to be a Christian goal?
World unrest- I believe the world has seen deeper unrest in the past.
Race against race- Ditto, there has been worse interracial violence and tension in the past
Loss of natural affection-I don't even know what this is meant to mean
increase in earthquakes/weater anomalies- No evidence that earthquakes are increasing. Weather is changing... unless you're a global warming skeptic I guess.
Increase in violence/lawlessness- Are crime rates increasing most places? I don't think so.
Economic calamity- Well yes, we're certainly in the midst of that... but again, there have been worse economic collapses in the past.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I though Global Peace was supposed to be a Christian goal?

Global peace in the freedom of Christ.

World unrest- I believe the world has seen deeper unrest in the past.

Two world wars in one century is quite deep.

Race against race- Ditto, there has been worse interracial violence and tension in the past

Imagine if it's global.

Loss of natural affection-I don't even know what this is meant to mean

Here are women with their faces contorted in hate, standing on the street, publically demanding the right to kill their unborn children.

increase in earthquakes/weater anomalies- No evidence that earthquakes are increasing. Weather is changing... unless you're a global warming skeptic I guess.

Massive earthquakes, waters to blood, asteroids hitting earth turning water bitter and blacking out light...are what's coming.

Increase in violence/lawlessness- Are crime rates increasing most places? I don't think so.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ijs.htm

Economic calamity- Well yes, we're certainly in the midst of that... but again, there have been worse economic collapses in the past.

global?





Don't forget that Psalm 83 is being fulfilled as we speak with the Islamic conspiracy to "wipe Israel off the map". Isaiah 17, Ezek 28:24-26, Ezek 38 and Joel 2 are next...for the world....followed by the worst, Rev 13.

 

[Danya]

the loss of natural affection is homosexuality not abortion.
The natural affection between a man and a woman is replaced

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

those are in the ESV

 

[HisdaughterJen]

the loss of natural affection is homosexuality not abortion.
The natural affection between a man and a woman is replaced

Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
Rom 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

those are in the ESV

Well, I can certainly agree with that. Homosexuality is certainly an ancient sin but abortion is fairly recent, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[LightHorseman]

Global peace in the freedom of Christ.

O...K... um, what does this actually mean? When I read "global peace" I just tend to think of it as meaning the end of all armed conflict.

Two world wars in one century is quite deep.

Yes. Its also quite over. Now, if people were making claims about the signs pointing to the end of time in the darkest days of 1944, I could understand and possibly agree with it. But things are a lot better now than they were then.

Imagine if it's global.

Um, yeah... but its not. Thats rather my point. If race relations were getting worse around the world, I could see the point of the claim... but race relations are generally getting better, not worse.

Here are women with their faces contorted in hate, standing on the street, publically demanding the right to kill their unborn children.

And thats "loss of natural affection" is it? How do you respond to the fact that many of these women will go on to have perfectly affectionate relationships with children they have later at a time of their own choosing? How do you respond to the fact that more people carry pregnancies to term than have abortions? Seems like there's still an aweful lot of natural affection to be had.

Not to mention that someone else has already contradicted you and said "loss of natural affection" is a reference to homosexuality, rather than abortion...

Massive earthquakes, waters to blood, asteroids hitting earth turning water bitter and blacking out light...are what's coming.

And you are basing this on... what, exactly?




http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ijs.htm

global?

Global economic calamity? Yeah... there was this thing called the Great Depression, you may have heard of it.

Don't forget that Psalm 83 is being fulfilled as we speak with the Islamic conspiracy to "wipe Israel off the map". Isaiah 17, Ezek 28:24-26, Ezek 38 and Joel 2 are next...for the world....followed by the worst, Rev 13.

Um... and your evidence for this Islamic conspiracy is... what, exactly?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ijs.htm

You know what? This is a REALLY interesting website! Thanks! Of course, nothing I've seen there suggests for a moment that crime rates are increasing, and the 2 articles I've skimmed in fact suggest crime prevention is improving crime rates all over. But you know, thanks anyway

 

[LightHorseman]

Well, I can certainly agree with that. Homosexuality is certainly an ancient sin but abortion is fairly recent, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong.

Yep, you'd be wrong. Here is where the Bible demands abortion of a pregnancy in a woman accused of adultery...
Numbers 5:11-21 (King James Version)



11And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
12Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
13And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
14And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
15Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
16And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
17And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
18And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
19And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
20But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Here 'ya go, Lighthorseman

http://www.newscientist.com/article...rt-90-seconds-from-catastrophe.html?full=true

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Yep, you'd be wrong. Here is where the Bible demands abortion of a pregnancy in a woman accused of adultery...
Numbers 5:11-21 (King James Version)



11And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
12Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
13And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
14And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
15Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
16And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
17And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
18And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
19And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
20But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

I don't know where you get abortion out of that passage...???

IF she is innocent, God protects her from the bitter water. IF she is guilty, she is affected by it.

People caught in adultery were stoned to death.