Somebody has got to do something!

[HisdaughterJen]

As a matter of fact, Obama's birth certificate has never been "proven" to be a forgery by "experts". The people at FactCheck.org examined Obama's actual birth certificate - held it in their hands - and found it to contain every single distinguishing mark that valid birth certificates are supposed to have.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The fact that Obama was elected four months ago and inaugurated two months ago automatically proves wrong everything HisDaughterJen has said. If Obama was ineligible for the Presidency, he would not have been able to be elected.

Case closed.

I debated this in another thread with HisDaughterJen, who posted many assertions about Obama ("he has multiple social security numbers" and "he has multiple aliases"). She proved none of these assertions.

When confronted with the fact that it makes no logical sense whatsoever that Obama would somehow be able to evade multiple background checks when he ran for the Senate and for the Presidency, Jen's answer was that Obama is "Satanic".

Some people can be confronted with inescapable logic and facts and still continue to believe loony conspiracy theories instead of the truth. Logic and reason do not work with those people, and it is a waste of time and energy to debate them. Take my word for it.
Ringo

I did indeed provide you with the link to the court case showing the attached documents/evidence which were provided to the Supreme Court.

Here it is again:

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/03...a-demand-to-appoint-a-special-prosecutor.aspx

Furthermore, WHAT BACKGROUND CHECK? Prove that Obama EVER went through a background check. I can assure you that if they had run him through a background check, he'd be in jail right now.

 

[manchambo]

To make one more point about this story recounted in the OP, any attorney knows that it is beyond inappropriate for an attorney to try to discus a case with a judge outside the courtroom. I do not believe for a second that the Chief Justice would participate in that type of unethical behavior, or accept supposed legal documents from a stranger who accosted him after a speech. He's too fine a lawyer and jurist to do something like that.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

To make one more point about this story recounted in the OP, any attorney knows that it is beyond inappropriate for an attorney to try to discus a case with a judge outside the courtroom. I do not believe for a second that the Chief Justice would participate in that type of unethical behavior, or accept supposed legal documents from a stranger who accosted him after a speech. He's too fine a lawyer and jurist to do something like that.

Well, it's on tape. You'd better wake up. There is criminal activity going on and the Justices are not receiving the cases. The outcry is only going to get louder and it's coming from people who have "standing" to DEMAND that Obama prove his Constitutional eligibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fAEFbgkpWg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbl54phHfE8&NR=1

 

[manchambo]

Well, it's on tape. You'd better wake up. There is criminal activity going on and the Justices are not receiving the cases. The outcry is only going to get louder and it's coming from people who have "standing" to DEMAND that Obama prove his Constitutional eligibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fAEFbgkpWg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbl54phHfE8&NR=1

I see now what happened. Someone started blathering on and on about her case, which the MC clearly said the Chief could not talk about before they opened up for questions, and the Chief told her he would look at the documents to get her to shut up.

I guarantee that he did not read them, because it would be unethical for him to read documents in a pending case that were not submitted by filing them through the court.

 

[Nadiine]

Corruption! Usurper! He's trying to DESTROY this country and ISRAEL! Maybe the anti-christ will be MUSLIM (as suspected) after all!

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/03/14/i-did-it.aspx


Everything suspected about this man prior to his "election" is TRUE.

He is doing everything he can to help the muslim terrorists...close Gitmo, drop charges on Cole bombing, help Palestinians, and NOW...REFUSE to pay for injured war veterans treatment and take away the Pilot's right to carry a firearm, as well as the rest of us! He is systematically disarming this country, our military and referring to anyone who disagrees with his policies as TERRORISTS!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/03/17/gates_readies_big_cuts_in_weapons/

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/chuckwagon.php

Yes, we saw this and warned of it all beforehand.

It's hard to warn a worshipping crowd of sycophants tho.
Some are waking up from their drunken stupor

to see that he's not qualified to sit in that office, but it's too late.

We MUST remember that God is on the throne and God is USING
this man to promote His prophetic calendar.
It does give me pleasure to know that even in the secret agendas they
hold, its all being used by God to fulfill His plans for HIS GLORY.
That's the only pleasure I take from this.

That's not to say we roll up into a little ball and keep silent,
but we have to stay strong in our faith and know that God is
at work and......... just maybe this man is a judgment against
this nation who's defiantly turned its back on Him and has no
place for Him in this land and attacks His people.

How can God possibly bless this rebellion and hatred for Him?

I view this administration as the people getting who they
deserved - kinda like the King that Israel demanded instead of God.
They wanted to go their own way and God let them reject
Him.

We've followed the same pattern they did - I don't expect God
to ignore it and maybe He's "turned us over" to our depravity
like Romans 1 describes.

 

[Nadiine]

..

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

The Americas are much more Christian than in Europe.. so i don't see how the US could be being judged about the Christian issue.. or we'd have been judged long ago in the UK. .. just look at the state of it over here.. there's nothing but Christian bashing, homosexual-promoting, moral scandal, everything you could want for a pre-Christian country.. well they'v got that now.. i hope they are happy.

 

[Nadiine]

The Americas are much more Christian than in Europe.. so i don't see how the US could be being judged about the Christian issue.. or we'd have been judged long ago in the UK. .. just look at the state of it over here.. there's nothing but Christian bashing, homosexual-promoting, moral scandal, everything you could want for a pre-Christian country.. well they'v got that now.. i hope they are happy.

I mentioned this to my sister last nite when we spoke too.
But she said that Christianity is well known as the foundation of
this country - not so much Europe.
It's people who left Europe to come here for religious freedom if
I understand our history correctly?
I said the same where I thought Europe should be judged before we
would be... but in a way they might be being judged, I don't see
God's hand of blessing on them either as their churches are nearly
empty and rampant atheism/humanism has taken its place.

I think we're seeing the end times where just before Jesus'
return, the world falls into mass unrest, economic shift,
persecution of Jews and Christianity and mass immorality -
as the days of Noah.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

It's people who left Europe to come here for religious freedom if
I understand our history correctly?

Correct. The woman was taken on the wings of an eagle, and swallowed up by the earth (america) for a while, to escape from the beast (european papal power).. then later, the second beast turns from the lamb, and speaks like a dragon.. in those days, there will be nowhere left to escape to, as america becomes the second beast. But the UK was the centre of Christianity, it's from the UK that Christianity spread all over the world. The great revivalists like John Wesley were from here. So if anything, the UK should be judged. Because our country has been taken over by them. Christianity in China, Malaya, Africa, India,.. mostly founded by the British.

 

[Nadiine]

It's people who left Europe to come here for religious freedom if
I understand our history correctly?

Correct. The woman was taken on the wings of an eagle, and swallowed up by the earth (america) for a while, to escape from the beast (european papal power).. then later, the second beast turns from the lamb, and speaks like a dragon.. in those days, there will be nowhere left to escape to, as america becomes the second beast. But the UK was the centre of Christianity, it's from the UK that Christianity spread all over the world. The great revivalists like John Wesley were from here. So if anything, the UK should be judged. Because our country has been taken over by them. Christianity in China, Malaya, Africa, India,.. mostly founded by the British.

I don't know if we can consider it being judged or not,
I mean . . they don't have the best leadership there either,
and socialism hasn't brought them anywhere near economic prosperity.
Their churches are emptied out and liberalism rules the day.

What can we point to that we KNOW is "judgment" from God even
in America right now?

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I don't know if we can consider it being judged or not,
I mean . . they don't have the best leadership there either,
and socialism hasn't brought them anywhere near economic prosperity.
Their churches are emptied out and liberalism rules the day.

What can we point to that we KNOW is "judgment" from God even
in America right now?

I'm not sure i believe in that sort of judgment.. in the time of the world.. yes for historic Israel, but that was to teach them about covenant. Judgement comes at the return of Christ on the last day. Things just carry on until then. I think that the economic woes are part of an agenda, it has all been manipulated, to cause a lining up for the scenario of the beast to occur in the last days.. the mark of the beast, which i think is the real ID card, where one day, they must give their worship to satan. I have been thinking of late that the US (as well as europe) is becoming satanic.. you look at the use of the corna hand gesture in the states now, i see it on TV, at the various gatherings, and all the politicals using it..
and i said to someone recently, they must know it's satanic? drawn right out of the satanic church, and promoted as 'heavy metal'.. well 'heavy metal' makes no excuse for being satanic either.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

Maybe such is only known in hindsight.

To lay the sins of America at the feet of one man who has been in power for barely two months is a bit ludicrous, IMO. America, just like Israel in the Old Testament, has long since decided it would rather enjoy the pleasures of secularism than follow a deity that demands worship and obedience.

I don't know if America, Canada, Europe and the rest of the western world is being expressly "judged" as much as just reaping what it has sown.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

OK, hypothetically, if there was to be some great revival and people repented en mass and cried out to God, would anything change?

Please understand that I DO NOT believe that God is aligned with any particular political party or agenda. The sins of Republicans are no less vile than the sins of Democrats.

 

[Nadiine]

Maybe such is only known in hindsight.

To lay the sins of America at the feet of one man who has been in power for barely two months is a bit ludicrous, IMO. America, just like Israel in the Old Testament, has long since decided it would rather enjoy the pleasures of secularism than follow a deity that demands worship and obedience.

I don't know if America, Canada, Europe and the rest of the western world is being expressly "judged" as much as just reaping what it has sown.

OK, hypothetically, if there was to be some great revival and people repented en mass and cried out to God, would anything change?

Please understand that I DO NOT believe that God is aligned with any particular political party or agenda. The sins of Republicans are no less vile than the sins of Democrats.

I totally agree with your posts.

I don't know what would happen if a great revival came about and
people repented? I don't see it "in the cards" tho as far as the
Bible teaches with the signs we're seeing right now and how
fast it's all escalating and intensifying (which is a prophecy in and
of itself regarding the occurrence of events).

I especially don't forsee a great repentance becuz of the spirit
people hold - which is that you cannot tell them they do anything
wrong without them taking offense and attacking you in return.

A large amount of people today are literally hostile against anything
Godly & righteous. Even those who CLAIM to be Christians attack
what is of God (these are the folks who redefine Christianity to fit
their sinful lifestyles and support evil in God's name).

"having a FORM of godliness but denying the power thereof"

 

[LightHorseman]

Bible teaches with the signs we're seeing right now and how
fast it's all escalating and intensifying (which is a prophecy in and
of itself regarding the occurrence of events).

I keep hearing this... but where are all these signs and portents that are unarguably pointing to the end of days? Sure, we're living through interesting times, but things have been worse before

 

[Nadiine]

I'm not sure i believe in that sort of judgment.. in the time of the world.. yes for historic Israel, but that was to teach them about covenant. Judgement comes at the return of Christ on the last day. Things just carry on until then. I think that the economic woes are part of an agenda, it has all been manipulated, to cause a lining up for the scenario of the beast to occur in the last days.. the mark of the beast, which i think is the real ID card, where one day, they must give their worship to satan. I have been thinking of late that the US (as well as europe) is becoming satanic.. you look at the use of the corna hand gesture in the states now, i see it on TV, at the various gatherings, and all the politicals using it..
and i said to someone recently, they must know it's satanic? drawn right out of the satanic church, and promoted as 'heavy metal'.. well 'heavy metal' makes no excuse for being satanic either.

yep.
I can't assume to know who uses the hand gesture genuinely as
a demonic sign or if they're just being an idiot... lol

But this world has grown very hostile to what is holy/righteous
and is antichrist in general. I think it's a sad day when Muslims are
more moral and stick to their god more than the "christianized nations".
-Western nations.

It brings to mind God's charges against Israel, when He was so
furious that Israel was actually more evil than the pagan nations
around her, and she literally made them look more moral and
upright than His own people!
That's what I'm seeing today.

As I see it, God cannot BLESS any nation at this point -

 

[Danya]

I totally agree with your posts.

I don't know what would happen if a great revival came about and
people repented? I don't see it "in the cards" tho as far as the
Bible teaches with the signs we're seeing right now and how
fast it's all escalating and intensifying (which is a prophecy in and
of itself regarding the occurrence of events).

I especially don't forsee a great repentance becuz of the spirit
people hold - which is that you cannot tell them they do anything
wrong without them taking offense and attacking you in return.

A large amount of people today are literally hostile against anything
Godly & righteous. Even those who CLAIM to be Christians attack
what is of God (these are the folks who redefine Christianity to fit
their sinful lifestyles and support evil in God's name).

"having a FORM of godliness but denying the power thereof"

Unfortunately I agree.

I don't see it in the cards either. Nothing much happened after 9/11 except a few hearts changed. I am afraid it would take a great catasphrophy to bring people to their knees again, repent and turn to God.

But we need to pray for a revival none the less and be the light in our own little world that we live in.

 

[Nadiine]

I keep hearing this... but where are all these signs and portents that are unarguably pointing to the end of days? Sure, we're living through interesting times, but things have been worse before

this sounds familiar (which is also a prophecy given to us)
2 Peter 3

God’s Promise Is Not Slack

2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days,
walking according to their own lusts,
4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming?
For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were
from the beginning of creation.”
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word,
are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing,
that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night,
in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise,
and the elements will melt with fervent heat;
both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,


Revelation 16:15
“Behold, I am coming as a thief.
Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments,
lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

People mocking prophecy/saying that "things are just the
same as they were for eons of time...." are also a sign that
we're in the end times.

If you want to learn about prophecy, I'd suggest Chuck Missler
for starters.
http://www.khouse.org/

2 [part] articles on America's downfall:
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2008/832
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2008/838

some of Missler's radio shows that offer end times topics
http://www.khouse.org/6640_cat/currentevents/

this radio segment covers America's moral fall
http://www.khouse.org/6640/BP080/

There's also a group of recent prophecy videos I was really impressed with,
hosted by the founders of Godtv out of the UK.
http://www.god.tv/god/end_times?region_req=apocalypse
They interviewed several experts of their fields regarding the
signs we see in our world today and how they pertain to
bible prophecy - they're in 1/2 hour segments which were done
over a period of several weeks w/ different guest interviews.

Pretty eye opening stuff

 

[Nadiine]

Unfortunately I agree.

I don't see it in the cards either. Nothing much happened after 9/11 except a few hearts changed. I am afraid it would take a great catasphrophy to bring people to their knees again, repent and turn to God.

But we need to pray for a revival none the less and be the light in our own little world that we live in.

I've always believed that either God causing a crisis/disaster or
allowing one to happen is used to cause people to realize their own
mortality and think about eternity briefly and draw them to Himself.

This is why I've always believed that disasters are necessary for
people who would have never given God any consideration (having
hard hearts).
So yes I agree, it would take a huge catastrophe to turn any of
this around at this point, but even then I don't think it would
do too much with our spiritual condition the way it is today.
People forget quickly and continue as they did.

And if you read Revelation, during the tribulation as God is sending
one judgment after the next, it has an opposite effect.
They don't repent at all, they get ANGRIER and more obstinate.
It hardens them instead.
(this happened in OT Israel too).

 

[LightHorseman]

People mocking prophecy/saying that "things are just the
same as they were for eons of time...." are also a sign that
we're in the end times.

But things are not only the same, but still pretty much BETTER than they have been for most of history! What recent event do you see as even remotely comparable to, say, the darkest days of the second world War?