Evolution as a theory of creation is a JOKE

[AV1611VET]

Bet it can't cure cancer....

Nothing needed curing back then.

 

[AV1611VET]

Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found any evidence for the garden of Eden ever having existed literally, as Genesis tells of.
Try looking up --- it's in Heaven now.

Just looked up. Only see a few clouds.
Heaven is up? Which up? China's or ours? Or Israel's? And at what time of the day and which exact day would that particular "up" be correct in the direction of heaven?

Revelation (where you get that idea) is full of meaningful symbolism.

Adimus, no offense, brother, but no Chrisitian knowing even basic theology would make this mistake, let alone the deep theology you want me to believe you have.

There are three "heavens" mentioned in the Scriptures --- can you name them?

And I didn't get it from Revelation --- I got it from 2 Corinthians.

You must have missed class that day.

 

[adimus]

Adimus, no offense, brother, but no Chrisitian knowing even basic theology would make this mistake, let alone the deep theology you want me to believe you have.

There are three "heavens" mentioned in the Scriptures --- can you name them?

And I didn't get it from Revelation --- I got it from 2 Corinthians.

You must have missed class that day.

The three heavens in 2 Cor are not identified except for the third- heaven where God and the angels are (apparently). And I did laugh at some of your jokes at my expense . I am glad we can both keep a right attitude when I show you how dumb you are.

1 I must go on boasting. Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 3 And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. 5 On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses.

Paradise as a symbolic term for heaven was the traditional popular Jewish cosmology of the day. There is nothing in the Bible that says that God moved the Garden of Eden to heaven for some reason. Obviously this concept was a popular Jewish conception of what heaven was like that was developed in the 400 "silent years." Paul merely used the common terminology of the day. It was not a new revelation that the garden of Eden is in heaven now.

And I take it you are again stumped or you would address most of the other bake breaking points I addressed in my last post to you.

 

[Cabal]

Nothing needed curing back then.

I was referring to now, but never mind.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Read and enjoy...

http://www.genesisministries.com/age.htm

To your knowledge, are there any other fields of science which would suggest an old universe/earth?

 

[AV1611VET]

The three heavens in 2 Cor are not identified except for the third- heaven where God and the angels are (apparently).

There are no "three heavens" mention in 2 Corinthians --- just "third heaven".

Paradise as a symbolic term for heaven was the traditional popular Jewish cosmology of the day. There is nothing in the Bible that says that God moved the Garden of Eden to heaven for some reason.

QV please --- 23.

And I take it you are again stumped or you would address most of the other bake breaking points I addressed in my last post to you.

Consider me "stumped".

 

[adimus]

There are no "three heavens" mention in 2 Corinthians --- just "third heaven".QV please --- .Consider me "stumped".

I did and still do, as do many other folks here have also felt before.


8 Therefore it says,

“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”

9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? 10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Now where is the garden of Eden supposed to be in those verses? You said that this passage was the proof.

And if God occupies the third heaven, logic would deduce that there is nothing higher, like a fourth heaven.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now where is the garden of Eden supposed to be in those verses? You said that this passage was the proof.

Garden of Eden = Paradise

 

[adimus]

Garden of Eden = Paradise

Notice that the word paradise is not in there anywhere:

8 Therefore it says,

“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”

9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? 10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 

[atomweaver]

Read and enjoy...

http://www.genesisministries.com/age.htm

Link pretends as if dating of the Earth was calculated from a single sample of a meteorite. False.

Link asserts that only current decay rates may be known, supposing that past decay rates may have been different, but measured decay rates in astronomical events show that decay rates of the past are consistent across deep time. Supernova 1987a, for ex, shows that the rate of decay has been consistent for at least the past 168,000 years.

Link is ignorant of isochron dating, only discusses radiometric dating, and so scientific "discussion" that follows is more than 20 years out of date.

Link concludes with arguments against "evolutionists"... sorry, Charlie, radiometric dating is geology, not biology. Direct your arguments against the loathsome, godless "radioactive decayists" and their horrid anti-Christian agenda to keep God out of His rightful place in our chemistry and physics classes, would ya? *rolleyes*

 

[AV1611VET]

Notice that the word paradise is not in there anywhere:

8 Therefore it says,

“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”

9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? 10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Then how did it get from next to Hell, separated by a great gulf (Luke 16), to Heaven (2 Corinthians 12)?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

So, there seems to be disagreement between AV and adimus.

Which one of you is the "true" christian?

 

[adimus]

True Christians are people that don't know everything. Therefor we are obviously allowed to disagree about things.

 

[adimus]

Then how did it get from next to Hell, separated by a great gulf (Luke 16), to Heaven (2 Corinthians 12)?

It never was next to hell. That was a parable and nothing more.

The garden was a myth in my view. But if you say it was real than it was obviously destroyed in the flood or it just overgrew with the wild and was consumed by the forces of nature and time after a few decades.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

True Christians are people that don't know everything. Therefor we are obviously allowed to disagree about things.

Excepting science?

 

[AV1611VET]

It never was next to hell. That was a parable and nothing more.

As I have pointed out, the parables of Jesus weren't something that He just sat and thought up.

I believe those things He talked about really happened.

Same with the book of Proverbs.

Since proverbs means pro [with] verba [words] --- Solomon isn't just making these up.

They are things he actually experienced in real life.

 

[adimus]

Originally Posted by adimus
True Christians are people that don't know everything. Therefor we are obviously allowed to disagree about things.

Excepting science?

Excepting science?

In my book, yes. In some people's book, (thankfully not God's) no.

 

[adimus]

As I have pointed out, the parables of Jesus weren't something that He just sat and thought up.

I believe those things He talked about really happened.

Same with the book of Proverbs.

Since proverbs means pro [with] verba [words] --- Solomon isn't just making these up.

They are things he actually experienced in real life.

I believe those things He talked about really happened.

That is your personally held view. Jesus did not indicate that it was literal. That is all your own opinion based on nothing in real life.

What does Proverbs have to do with it?

 

[TheManeki]

As I have pointed out, the parables of Jesus weren't something that He just sat and thought up.

I believe those things He talked about really happened.

Same with the book of Proverbs.

Since proverbs means pro [with] verba [words] --- Solomon isn't just making these up.

They are things he actually experienced in real life.

If this is true, then why isn't it named pro [with] acta [actions]?

Gah. Now I have the urge to go watch Megaforce again. Acta non verba, y'all.

 

[adimus]

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