Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found a giant metal dome over the atmosphere as Genesis states should be there.
Genesis says no such a thing.
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found the storehouses of rain and hail as the Bible tells of.
Someone is getting this junk off the Internet, aren't they?
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found how light can be mixed together with darkness, as Genesis tells of.
Darkness is the absence of light, just as cold is the absence of heat.
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found any animals that can or could once talk, as Genesis tells of.
Perhaps the animal made noises in its own way, and Eve heard it in her language --- (q.v. Acts 2).
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found any evidence for the garden of Eden ever having existed literally, as Genesis tells of.
Try looking up --- it's in Heaven now.
Originally Posted by adimus
We do find genes in our own cells and all other organisms cells that tell of a very different genetic heritage than is being expressed in modern organisms.
Oh.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evolution predicted Cosmic Background Radiation and found it.
Genesis 1:3 beat you to it.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted finding human primate ancestors in Africa and now people have found a number of them there.
That's nice --- seeing as how you can reverse-engineer time and come up with people living there long, long ago.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that genetics would reveal an evolutionary past- and was right.
Microevolution, not macroevolution.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that dinosaurs would be found with feathers and other birdlike features and traits- and was right.
Ya --- they're called "avian dinosaurs" --- only we common people call them birds. Jesus spoke of them, as did Noah.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that viruses would constantly evolve via mutation to be resistant to medicines- and was right.
And Jesus beat them to it in His end-times speech.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that land mammal to whale intermediary fossils would be found- and was right and right again and right again and right again.
Nope --- whales came first.
Originally Posted by adimus
In fact. What has creationism successfully predicted ever?
Nothing that I know of --- the Creation is history, not science.
This is fun.
Let me clarify some things here. I have been raised as a Christian. I really came to the Lord in a serious personal way over 12 years ago, as an adult. I have faithfully read everything ICR sent me during those years, even till today. I wore out my Kent Hovind videos to the point of memorizing them. I have done papers for Community college about the creation evolution controversy. I have read a number of YEC books. I also am a Bible College graduate with a degree. I have read and studied the Bible A LOT over those years. I also read a lot of other books and commentaries, etc. I also know enough Hebrew and church history to make me dangerous to any misguided KJVonlyer, Mormon, Muslim or JW (not trying to pick any fights there). I also am familiar with Judaism's beliefs and traditions.
I only started seriously seeking out science's positions on evolution again at the turn of this year. Now I am aware of the reality of evolution. I am also aware of the horrible misrepresentation of science that YECism has made a career of. If character assassination were a crime, YECists would all be in prison for the unChristlike way that they treat evolution and its proponents.
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found a giant metal dome over the atmosphere as Genesis states should be there.
Genesis says no such a thing.
Genesis is where I got this information:
Gen 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
so.raw-kee'-ah "Firmament" Noun Masculine
Definition
extended surface (solid), expanse, firmament
expanse (flat as base, support)
firmament (of vault of heaven supporting waters above)
considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting 'waters' above.
Also in Amos it is further verified:
Am 9:6 -
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name.
ag-ood-daw' "Dome" Noun Feminine
Definition
band, binding
cords, bands, thongs (metaphorical of slavery)
bunch of hyssop
band of men, troops
vault (of the heavens), firmament (binding earth to the heavens)
The same Hebrew word from Genesis is used in Eze 1:22
And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
I could go on about that point but I am guessing you probably lightly just immediately dismiss all of the above anyhow.
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found the storehouses of rain and hail as the Bible tells of.
Someone is getting this junk off the Internet, aren't they?
Actually no. But now that you mention it I just looked it up in the evil internet and discovered much more information to back up my claim. You must not be that familiar with the Bible, obviously.
Psalms 78:23-24: "
Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven."
Genesis 7:11-12: "
...all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."
Ge 8:2
the fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
Mal 3:10
Bring ye the whole tithe into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now herewith, saith Jehovah of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough [to receive it].
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found how light can be mixed together with darkness, as Genesis tells of.
Darkness is the absence of light, just as cold is the absence of heat.
No kidding. THAT IS MY POINT. You can't have light and dark truly mixed together at all.
Ge 1:4
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found any animals that can or could once talk, as Genesis tells of.
Perhaps the animal made noises in its own way, and Eve heard it in her language --- (q.v. Acts 2).
That would ONLY be possible with hallucinogenic drugs.
Perhaps you could be more creative in trying to force Genesis 1 -3 to be absolutely literal. You are "adding to the scripture."
Originally Posted by adimus
We still haven't found any evidence for the garden of Eden ever having existed literally, as Genesis tells of.
Try looking up --- it's in Heaven now.
Just looked up. Only see a few clouds.
Heaven is up? Which up? China's or ours? Or Israel's? And at what time of the day and which exact day would that particular "up" be correct in the direction of heaven?
Revelation (where you get that idea) is full of meaningful symbolism. That is, unless you think that Jesus is literally a lamb with seven horns, seven eyes and a slit throat too.
Originally Posted by adimus
We do find genes in our own cells and all other organisms cells that tell of a very different genetic heritage than is being expressed in modern organisms.
Oh.
Like the corrupted (to the point of absolute uselessness) genetics all humans have for creating vitamin C inside our own bodies. The end result of this evolution is that you need to take your Flintstone's or be sure to drink juice regularly.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that genetics would reveal an evolutionary past- and was right.
Microevolution, not macroevolution.
Its all EQUALLY evolution. You are thinking of speciation whis is probably what you are calling macroevolution.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evolution predicted Cosmic Background Radiation and found it.
Genesis 1:3 beat you to it.
Last I checked Genesis did not describe the Big Bang.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted finding human primate ancestors in Africa and now people have found a number of them there.
That's nice --- seeing as how you can reverse-engineer time and come up with people living there long, long ago.
Its actually very nice. It is called paleontology and paleoanthropology.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that dinosaurs would be found with feathers and other birdlike features and traits- and was right.
Ya --- they're called "avian dinosaurs" --- only we common people call them birds. Jesus spoke of them, as did Noah.
No they did not speak of "avian dinosaurs." Either that or the Authorized KJV 1611 is ever further screwed up than I already knew about.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that viruses would constantly evolve via mutation to be resistant to medicines- and was right.
And Jesus beat them to it in His end-times speech.
That must be another error in the Authorized KJV 1611 I missed. Thanks for the update.
Originally Posted by adimus
Evo predicted that land mammal to whale intermediary fossils would be found- and was right and right again and right again and right again.
Nope --- whales came first.
Funny how the fossil record and the rock layers they are found in give a smooth and
absolutely pristine account of evolution of whales, step by step. Funny how all these creature are found in the same layers in order every time without any exception. Today we can see the current stage when some whales are still born with rear legs that are not attached to the rest of the skeleton nor are they usable in any way. There go those dang useless genes turning on again that are left overs from our evolutionary heritage.
