Calvinist Robots

[squint]

So if you do not do works are you saved?

It would certainly appear that way to me.

Maybe Chester can equate the dictates of the mans conscious with GODS WILL somehow?

I would somehow suspect that Gods Will is to DO GOOD WORKS? Or at least that Gods Will is NOT against good works?

 

[chestertonrules]

So if you do not do works are you saved?

If you willfully and persistently reject the commandments of Jesus you will not be saved.

 

[MamaZ]

If you willfully and persistently reject the commandments of Jesus you will not be saved.

So then you are saying what? That we are not saved by grace but by works?

 

[squint]

So then you are saying what? That we are not saved by grace but by works?

He's trying very hard not to trip and fall on the theological landmine of his own making ain't ya Chester?

 

[chestertonrules]

He's trying very hard not to trip and fall on the theological landmine of his own making ain't ya Chester?

My theology is rock solid, as you know.


What do you need to know?

 

[squint]

This merely states that it is not our role to judge others

Very true. The RCC makes NO eternal judgment claims unto ANY outside of their membership. There are however exceptions made for heretics.

and that we should not limit God's mercy for the ignorant.

In Roman Catholicism ignorance IS a valid excuse. Yes. True. And because this is true, actually preaching to someone COULD potentially be the worst thing to ever happen to them.

This is a statement of possibility, not assurance, and it is irrelevant to you and I.

Already noted that didn't I?

And was I LYING? or were YOU speaking out of ignorance and therefore excused for your "MIS-statements." (not a lie if done in ignorance right Chester?)

 

[chestertonrules]

Very true. The RCC makes NO eternal judgment claims unto ANY outside of their membership. There are however exceptions made for heretics.



In Roman Catholicism ignorance IS a valid excuse. Yes. True. And because this is true, actually preaching to someone COULD potentially be the worst thing to ever happen to them.



Already noted that didn't I?

And was I LYING? or were YOU speaking out of ignorance and therefore excused for your "MIS-statements." (not a lie if done in ignorance right Chester?)

YOU LIED when you claimed that I am advocating salvation by works.

Can I be more clear?

Can you be more vague?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My theology is rock solid, as you know.


What do you need to know?

Yes, we are aware of that

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=4492290
On This Rock

 

[MamaZ]

So is one saved by grace or by works?

 

[squint]

YOU LIED when you claimed that I am advocating salvation by works.

But you don't see the RCC teaching that in the quote provided? If NOT why NOT?

The RCC teaches that SALVATION is possible both apart from the Gospel and the church VIA following the dictates of the conscious if same following is in accord with Gods Will.

Yet you do not see FOLLOWING THE DICTATES OF THE CONSCIOUS as salvation via WORKS???

By all means say on how that is NOT salvation via works?

I could even repeat this observation a couple more times for you until you get it or clarify WHY IT'S NOT WORKS salvation.

Can I be more clear?

Can you be more vague?

Can you be just a tad bit more evasive?

 

[chestertonrules]

So is one saved by grace or by works?

We are saved by grace through faith.

However, our faith must be a living faith. Faith without works is dead.

If we stop following Jesus, we can lose our faith.

Perseverence is a requirement for salvation according to the bible.

 

[chestertonrules]

But you don't see the RCC teaching that in the quote provided? If NOT why NOT?

The RCC teaches that SALVATION is possible both apart from the Gospel and the church VIA following the dictates of the conscious if same following is in accord with Gods Will.

Yet you do not see FOLLOWING THE DICTATES OF THE CONSCIOUS as salvation via WORKS???

Salvation by works denies the necessity of grace.

The Church teaches that we are saved by grace.

This grace enables us to follow Jesus, but it can be resisted.

 

[squint]

Salvation by works denies the necessity of grace.

The Church teaches that we are saved by grace.

This grace enables us to follow Jesus, but it can be resisted.

Did the quote I have provided from 'the Credo' SEVERAL TIMES now NOT state that SALVATION is POSSIBLE by following the DICTATES OF THE individual CONSCIOUS apart from both the church and the Gospel???

 

[chestertonrules]

Did the quote I have provided from 'the Credo' SEVERAL TIMES now NOT state that SALVATION is POSSIBLE by following the DICTATES OF THE individual CONSCIOUS apart from both the church and the Gospel???

It says it is possible.

This is not for us to judge.

So?

 

[MamaZ]

We are saved by grace through faith.

However, our faith must be a living faith. Faith without works is dead.

If we stop following Jesus, we can lose our faith.

Perseverence is a requirement for salvation according to the bible.

Scripture tell us that by grace are we saved. It is the grace of God that any man is saved.. It is not because we do works that we are saved. We are saved unto Good works that HE has already prepared for us. We are not saved by doing good works.

 

[chestertonrules]

Scripture tell us that by grace are we saved. It is the grace of God that any man is saved.. It is not because we do works that we are saved. We are saved unto Good works that HE has already prepared for us. We are not saved by doing good works.

We are saved by grace. God's grace enables our salvation.

We must respond to this grace, however.

Do you disagree?

 

[MamaZ]

We are saved by grace. God's grace enables our salvation.

We must respond to this grace, however.

Do you disagree?

Where do you read that Gods grace enables salvation? We are saved by Grace..

 

[MamaZ]

Can dead men do anything?

 

[squint]

We are saved by grace. God's grace enables our salvation.

We must respond to this grace, however.

Do you disagree?

IF you keep dodging the statement from the RCC how do you expect to answer accurately???

Does the RCC NOT teach that a person IGNORANT of the church and the Gospel CAN be saved by following the dictates of their individual conscious?

This is a yes or no quiz. Not an opportunity for you to re-spin the observation into a totally different question.

We are not talking about those who have HEARD and therefore have to DECIDE (in Chesters world)

 

[chestertonrules]

Can dead men do anything?

Thanks to Jesus, we are all alive.

Here's more scripture for you to ignore:

• Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.
  John 12:31-32

• For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ.
  1Cor. 15:21-22

• Therefore just as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all. Rom. 5:18

• For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.
  Rom 11:32

• My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
  1 John 2:1-2