How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[ARBITER01]

I believe the Bible teaches to assume the best about others who profess the name of Christ, and to 'judge not that ye be not judged.' (Mt. 6) I believe that Jesus looked for the good in people, and sought to strengthen that, and that most of us have SOME good in us, which should be encouraged--as Wm. Seward worded it (speech-writing for A. Lincoln) "the better angels of our nature". Focus on that, rather than on the negative.

Dave

Sorry, trying to make someone out to be good doesn't automatically qualify them as born-again believers.

It's not being negative, it's just reality. You wanna solve a problem, get rid of the problem, unless you want to continue putting up with the problem in some form.

 

[squint]

Sorry, trying to make someone out to be good doesn't automatically qualify them as born-again believers.

It's not being negative, it's just reality. You wanna solve a problem, get rid of the problem, unless you want to continue putting up with the problem in some form.

Or the definition can be expanded to a more encompassing position:

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

There is hardly a group of believers who have expanded their position to accept the above. So a person has difficulty with the Trinity but love their neighbors as themselves. The Trinity proponents then deem that person a heretic.

It is NOT heretical now or will it ever be to love our neighbors as ourselves. What is heretical is to condemn our neighbors over the concept of the Trinity. Better to be enslaved to love than to concepts that require one to condemn their neighbors.

enjoy!

squint

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Considering the amount of thread on denominations and Catholacism, what can be done within Christianity to reconcile the main 3 sects of Christianity, primarily Orthodox, RC and Protestant.

Nothing. Catholics don't want to reconcile with us. They want us to surrender and become Catholics.

 

[ARBITER01]

Or the definition can be expanded to a more encompassing position:

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

There is hardly a group of believers who have expanded their position to accept the above. So a person has difficulty with the Trinity but love their neighbors as themselves. The Trinity proponents then deem that person a heretic.

It is NOT heretical now or will it ever be to love our neighbors as ourselves. What is heretical is to condemn our neighbors over the concept of the Trinity. Better to be enslaved to love than to concepts that require one to condemn their neighbors.

enjoy!

squint

The trinity is not the subject with me unless you are trying to make it the subject, in which case I'm not that interested in debating it, I already know what I need to know.

In your scripture quote, you missed out on something really important,..

1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God.

John wasn't talking about loving our neighbors, but those who were of the regenerate, the born-again believers.

But in reality, that has nothing to do with actually fixing a problem on a message board.

 

[squint]

The trinity is not the subject with me unless you are trying to make it the subject, in which case I'm not that interested in debating it, I already know what I need to know.

I used the Trinity (which I agree with) as an example. Feel free to insert whatever other 'doctrinal requirement' you might use to condemn your fellow man in various forms and continue on with the observation.

In your scripture quote, you missed out on something really important,..

Oh, I'm sure there are numerous ways to deny it, mitigate it, or even eliminate it entirely?

John wasn't talking about loving our neighbors, but those who were of the regenerate, the born-again believers.

Says you. I am not aware that loving our neighbors was a problem or that it would not be applicable in 1 John 4:7

But in reality, that has nothing to do with actually fixing a problem on a message board.

Again, says you. Loving our neighbors could probably cover just about everything. When the other 'requirements' are placed above that is where most trouble starts.

enjoy!

squint

 

[squint]

Nothing. Catholics don't want to reconcile with us. They want us to surrender and become Catholics.

Brilliant! But then again, don't we all?

Everyone here wants the other guy to bow to their particular groups (or even individual) carving of the Gospel.

It's a continual war based on the impetus for idol worship. Each person carries their own particular carving and demands the other people to bow to it, or if not, then comes the great offenses, blame, accusations and eventually the divisions. Quite paternistic and predictable behavioral modes.

Kind of bizarre that way if you think about it.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Brilliant! But then again, don't we all?

Everyone here wants the other guy to bow to their particular groups (or even individual) carving of the Gospel.

Not at all. I just want them to get their doctrine in line with scripture and start preaching the Gospel (you know, the Gospel that Catholics insist is "preached in every mass", but can never explain what it is?).

 

[squint]

Not at all. I just want them to get their doctrine in line with scripture and start preaching the Gospel

Same difference.

Anyone who has been meaningfully exposed to the scriptures long enough knows that we all change considerably along the trail. Change is probably the most consistent doctrine.

(you know, the Gospel that Catholics insist is "preached in every mass", but can never explain what it is?).

Some can listen to the Pope or the priest in continual adoration, some will accept most but not all because they know it's a lot of politicalspeak (me,) and to some they will sound like nails on a chalkboard no matter what is said. Just the way it is.

Expectation is a blackhole that will never be filled.

enjoy!

squint

 

[katholikos]

Not at all. I just want them to get their doctrine in line with scripture and start preaching the Gospel (you know, the Gospel that Catholics insist is "preached in every mass", but can never explain what it is?).

We could say the same of you

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Same difference.

Nope. Different difference.

 

[Nadiine]

The trinity is not the subject with me unless you are trying to make it the subject, in which case I'm not that interested in debating it, I already know what I need to know.

In your scripture quote, you missed out on something really important,..



John wasn't talking about loving our neighbors, but those who were of the regenerate, the born-again believers.

But in reality, that has nothing to do with actually fixing a problem on a message board.

this is true, he was talking TO believers to love their fellow
brothers & sister's in Christ. The context in several areas in this
passage makes it very clear.

& from what I see, it's the nonconservatives & nonChristians who very
much dislike, mock & persecute born again believers for being
bigoted, hateful, homophobic, phariseeical fundies.

They don't attack those of the unorthodox/liberal bents, just the
ones who take scripture for what it plainly says - who believe it
and who preach that uncompromised gospel.

Aside from that, I don't attack practicing Catholics - so many of them believe the main points of the gospel & don't accept some of the things
some of the church propogates.
I think they like plenty of other Christians stumble in some areas & I'm going to let God decide who is actually lost where this is concerned.

As I have learned over time, you can even believe the right things
& still be lost and in need of salvation. The Demons believe and
tremble.

I can see why we would want to correct things that aren't biblical - but in this case with alot of central doctrine being
accepted, I just haven't felt comfortable condemning everyone.
& one last note, I've seen plenty of more passionate [towards God] Catholics than many Protestants who claim to believe 'the right
things'.

I just can't condemn the entire church like others can.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

We could say the same of you

And the difference is that a Christian can explain what the Gospel is. Catholics can't.

Everytime I ask a Catholic to explain the Gospel, they can never do it. All they can do is get mad and insist that the Gospel is preached at every mass.

So, either they're lying or they're not paying attention at their mass.

 

[ARBITER01]

I used the Trinity (which I agree with) as an example. Feel free to insert whatever other 'doctrinal requirement' you might use to condemn your fellow man in various forms and continue on with the observation.


Oh, I'm sure there are numerous ways to deny it, mitigate it, or even eliminate it entirely?



Says you. I am not aware that loving our neighbors was a problem or that it would not be applicable in 1 John 4:7



Again, says you. Loving our neighbors could probably cover just about everything. When the other 'requirements' are placed above that is where most trouble starts.

enjoy!

squint

You seem to have a more humanistic approach to things that is not really required in solving any problem on a message board.

If you wish to expound on loving your neighbor, then you need to choose scripture that actually discusses that subject you're talking about instead of the one your chose, as the one you chose is talking about GOD's love towards Christian brethren through us, not unbelievers.

 

[Nadiine]

And the difference is that a Christian can explain what the Gospel is. Catholics can't.

Everytime I ask a Catholic to explain the Gospel, they can never do it. All they can do is get mad and insist that the Gospel is preached at every mass.

So, either they're lying or they're not paying attention at their mass.

I think you're getting people confused or something -- there are a growing number of liberal Catholics & plenty of 'non practicing' Catholics.
I like to call them "Catholic by name only" -

Maybe that's who you may be asking who can't properly answer?
Many I have met are fine.

Liberalism & even apathy are sweeping thru the churches & causing
major damage anymore. I still think we're in the time of
Apostacy where many are prophecied to leave the faith.

 

[Markus6]

& from what I see, it's the nonconservatives & nonChristians who very
much dislike, mock & persecute born again believers for being
bigoted, hateful, homophobic, phariseeical fundies.

Gotta love the implication that non-conservative = not born again.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I think you're getting people confused or something -- there are a growing number of liberal Catholics & plenty of 'non practicing' Catholics.
I like to call them "Catholic by name only" -

Maybe that's who you may be asking who can't properly answer?
Many I have met are fine.

They say they're practicing Catholics and the other Catholics here seem to think that they're legit.

Prove me wrong. Find me a Catholic who can articulate the Gospel.

 

[squint]

You seem to have a more humanistic approach to things that is not really required in solving any problem on a message board.

Now was that really neccessary? I write of love and you spin it as humanistic approach?

You provide a great case in point of what goes on with messageboards. I write dog, you equate it to banana.

If you wish to expound on loving your neighbor, then you need to choose scripture that actually discusses that subject you're talking about instead of the one your chose, as the one you chose is talking about GOD's love towards Christian brethren through us, not unbelievers.

Last time I checked loving unsaved neighbors wasn't a problem with believers and I also believe people who LOVE know God and are born of God just like John said regardless of which Jesus they have painted across their lips.

The point I made on this 'originally' that seemed to slip by you (allow me to highlight it this time) was that anytime we place doctrines that condemn people in various forms over loving them as ourselves there is automatically and unavoidably going to be trouble.

enjoy!

squint

 

[squint]

Nope. Different difference.

heh heh heh. Gotta love early morning entertainment. "My carving" is better than "your carving."

 

[JohnDeereFan]

heh heh heh. Gotta love early morning entertainment. "My carving" is better than "your carving."

And that's why you're going on my ignore list.

 

[ARBITER01]

Now was that really neccessary? I write of love and you spin it as humanistic approach?

You provide a great case in point of what goes on with messageboards. I write dog, you equate it to banana.



Last time I checked loving unsaved neighbors wasn't a problem with believers and I also believe people who LOVE know God and are born of God just like John said regardless of which Jesus they have painted across their lips.

The point I made on this 'originally' that seemed to slip by you (allow me to highlight it this time) was that anytime we place doctrines that condemn people in various forms over loving them as ourselves there is automatically and unavoidably going to be trouble.

enjoy!

squint

If you are trying to make a point here, use the proper scripture to assert it instead of trying to gleen personal points from wrong subjects in scripture. It is not hard to do. Posting incorrect scripture with wrongful commentary does tend to be noticed by those of us who labor in the scriptures.

And yes, your approach appears here to be simply humanistic. We of ourselves can do nothing, Jesus was specific about that. It is not my love that does anything but GOD's love through me.