Pre-Trib Belief If Post Is Correct/Problems?

[Big Mouth Nana]

So the next thing to happen is the sun and moon darken? Like an eclipse? Or something else?

And when that happens, a war in Israel starts and the anti-Christ comes to power?

Nope. This sounds like something that "a certain SHE" keeps throwing out here. The sun/moon darken right before Christ returns..Matt 24:29 ~Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The Antichrist comes to power at the start of the tribulation which is the abomination of desolation..Matt 24:15 ~ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
Daniel 9:27~ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Israel are the desolate...Matt 23:37-30 ~ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
A war starts in Israel by the Antichrist armies at the end of the tribulation..Rev 11:1-2 ~ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread underfoot forty and two months. Forty and two months is how long the Antichrist is in power...3.5 years.
Rev 13:4-6 ~ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


A little grandmotherly advice here Hocky_Fan. Study this out yourself, because there is a person on here who is in a total state of confusion as far as time lines go. Matt 24 is about as clear as any book in the bible can get as far as sequence. There is usually always more then one book of the bible that backs up another regarding a situation.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

So the next thing to happen is the sun and moon darken? Like an eclipse? Or something else?

The tribulation (that has been going on since the abom of desolation of Jerusalem/Israelin 66-70AD) ends or is shortened because there is a Northern Army invasion of Israel (Joel 2) at the time that the sun/moon darken.

Joe 2:1Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand--
Joe 2:2a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes, such as never was of old nor ever will be in ages to come.
...

Joe 2:10Before them (the invaders) the earth shakes, the sky trembles, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine.


Joe 2:31The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.



Rev 6:12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
...

Rev 6:17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"



Joe 2:20"I will drive the northern army far from you, pushing it into a parched and barren land, with its front columns going into the eastern sea and those in the rear into the western sea. And its stench will go up; its smell will rise." Surely he has done great things.

And when that happens, a war in Israel starts and the anti-Christ comes to power?

When the invasion happens, God steps in to save Israel. A remnant of Israel is sealed and protected by God for what comes next. THESE people are the "elect" that Jesus mentions in Matt 24 that the tribulation is stopped for the sake of. Israel, undoubtedly, will then build a temple that the anti-christ will stand in and proclaim himself to be God.



When the 6th seal happens (sun/moon darken/Day of Wrath begins), then the tribulation (from the abom of desolation of Jerusalem in 66-70AD until the sun/moon darken) has come to an abrupt end. The Day of Wrath/Day of the Lord begins.

The 7th seal is what happens on the Day of the Lord. It begins with silence in heaven followed by the trumpets and bowls. The two witnesses and the beasts have their 42 months during this time.

Rev 8:1When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
Rev 8:2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.


The two witnesses are killed by the beast out of the abyss. That beast out of the abyss is released by the devil in trumpet #5.

Trumpets 5 & 6 are talking about the reign of the beast. All of the bowls which happen between trumpets 6 & 7 are on the kingdom of the beast AFTER he's killed a whole lot of people because it says he is given "blood to drink" as he deserves:

Rev 16:6for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve."


All of this happens from the invasion/sun/moon darkening until Christ comes on the clouds. It is the Day of the Lord/the Day of Wrath. All of that is followed by the coming of Christ on the clouds.

Nutshell version:

Seal #6 = end of trib/sun/moon darken/Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath begins/destruction of invading Northern army. 144,000 of Israel sealed.

Seal #7 = trumpets (including the beast and the two witnesses) and bowls which are the outpouring of wrath.

THEN Christ comes on the clouds.



Interesting tidbit:

Joel 2 describes a Northern Army invasion and then the sun/moon darken (seal #6).
Ezek 38 describes a Northern Army invasion and their destruction is caused by the same thing that is released by the very next thing following seal #6 and that is trumpet #1 of seal #7. (hail, fire, blood)

Eze 38:22And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Rev 8:7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.


Coincidence? I don't think so!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Nope. This sounds like something that "a certain SHE" keeps throwing out here. The sun/moon darken right before Christ returns..Matt 24:29 ~Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The Antichrist comes to power at the start of the tribulation which is the abomination of desolation..Matt 24:15 ~ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
Daniel 9:27~ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Israel are the desolate...Matt 23:37-30 ~ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
A war starts in Israel by the Antichrist armies at the end of the tribulation..Rev 11:1-2 ~ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread underfoot forty and two months. Forty and two months is how long the Antichrist is in power...3.5 years.
Rev 13:4-6 ~ And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


A little grandmotherly advice here Hocky_Fan. Study this out yourself, because there is a person on here who is in a total state of confusion as far as time lines go. Matt 24 is about as clear as any book in the bible can get as far as sequence. There is usually always more then one book of the bible that backs up another regarding a situation.

Now that I've answered Hocky Fan's question, maybe you can answer these questions, Nana:

DID Jesus say, in regards to the temple and it's buildings, "not one stone will be left on another"?

DID the disciples ask Jesus, "when will this be"?

DID Jesus answer the question regarding the destruction of the temple and it's buildings or not? If so, with what verse in Matt 24?

DID Jesus say that Israel/Jerusalem's "house would be left to them desolate"?

DID Luke understand that the abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies and the dispersement of the people "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"?

Does Daniel 9:26-27 speak of a desolation of the city/sanctuary? When did it happen?

Is the anti-christ ever mentioned in ANY of those passages?

Is the anti-christ EVER referred to as "the abomination of desolation"?

Here are the scriptures to help you answer those questions:


Mat 24:1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.

Mat 24:2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."


Mat 24:3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"



Mat 24:15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand
Mat 24:16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.




Dan 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Dan 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] (THE CITY/SANCTUARY) desolate, even until the consummation (THE END), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(ISRAEL)






Luk 21:20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
...
Luk 21:24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.



Mat 23:37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Mat 23:38Look, your house is left to you desolate.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Fan

So the next thing to happen is the sun and moon darken? Like an eclipse? Or something else?
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Could smoke also block out the sun and moon?

Reve 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Could smoke also block out the sun and moon?

Reve 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

It's probably the massive earthquake that causes it which happens at the same time.

 

[ezek33]

A little grandmotherly advice here Hocky_Fan. Study this out yourself, because there is a person on here who is in a total state of confusion as far as time lines go. Matt 24 is about as clear as any book in the bible can get as far as sequence. There is usually always more then one book of the bible that backs up another regarding a situation.

Hocky, BMN has given you some good advice, the woman nana is referring to is way off, and bent on deceiving you or anyone else that will listen to her absurdities. So yes I sugest you study for yourself and defenitely do not give any credance to what ''she'' has said.

When doing your studty read Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, 1st Corinthians 15, 1st Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5, and 2nd Thessalonians chapters 1 and 2. After reading those chapters, if you read them with an open mind with the guidance of the Holy Spirit you should have a pretty good idea of what the truth is. Allow the Holy Spirit to teach you not some crazy on a forum board.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hocky, BMN has given you some good advice, the woman nana is referring to is way off, and bent on deceiving you or anyone else that will listen to her absurdities. So yes I sugest you study for yourself and defenitely do not give any credance to what ''she'' has said.

When doing your studty read Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, 1st Corinthians 15, 1st Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5, and 2nd Thessalonians chapters 1 and 2. After reading those chapters, if you read them with an open mind with the guidance of the Holy Spirit you should have a pretty good idea of what the truth is. Allow the Holy Spirit to teach you not some crazy on a forum board.

Compare Rev 6 to Matt 24. See what happens before the sun/moon darken and what happens after. Then you'll see the order of events.

Where are the fruits of the Spirit, "onwingsaseagles"/Ezek33"? (a zebra can't hide his stripes by calling himself a horse)
You can't answer the questions either, "onwingsaseagles/Ezek33", instead you resort to namecalling.

Here are the questions:

DID Jesus say, in regards to the temple and it's buildings, "not one stone will be left on another"?

DID the disciples ask Jesus, "when will this be"?

DID Jesus answer the question regarding the destruction of the temple and it's buildings or not? If so, with what verse in Matt 24?

DID Jesus say that Israel/Jerusalem's "house would be left to them desolate"?

DID Luke understand that the abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies and the dispersement of the people "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"?

Does Daniel 9:26-27 speak of a desolation of the city/sanctuary? When did it happen?

Is the anti-christ ever mentioned in ANY of those passages?

Is the anti-christ EVER referred to as "the abomination of desolation"?

Here are the scriptures to help you answer those questions:


Mat 24:1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.

Mat 24:2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."


Mat 24:3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"



Mat 24:15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand
Mat 24:16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.




Dan 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Dan 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] (THE CITY/SANCTUARY) desolate, even until the consummation (THE END), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(ISRAEL)






Luk 21:20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
...
Luk 21:24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.



Mat 23:37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Mat 23:38Look, your house is left to you desolate.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Now that I've answered Hocky Fan's question, maybe you can answer these questions, Nana:

DID Jesus say, in regards to the temple and it's buildings, "not one stone will be left on another"?

DID the disciples ask Jesus, "when will this be"?

DID Jesus answer the question regarding the destruction of the temple and it's buildings or not? If so, with what verse in Matt 24?

DID Jesus say that Israel/Jerusalem's "house would be left to them desolate"?

DID Luke understand that the abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies and the dispersement of the people "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"?

Does Daniel 9:26-27 speak of a desolation of the city/sanctuary? When did it happen?

Is the anti-christ ever mentioned in ANY of those passages?

Is the anti-christ EVER referred to as "the abomination of desolation"?

Here are the scriptures to help you answer those questions:


Mat 24:1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.

Mat 24:2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."


Mat 24:3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"



Mat 24:15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand
Mat 24:16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.




Dan 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Dan 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] (THE CITY/SANCTUARY) desolate, even until the consummation (THE END), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(ISRAEL)






Luk 21:20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
...
Luk 21:24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.



Mat 23:37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Mat 23:38Look, your house is left to you desolate.

Jesus said a lot of things Jen. You just don't know how they line up prophectically, and possibly never will. When more then myself tells you how dead wrong you are, and you keep hanging onto this false doctrine anyway and spreading it on this board without any guidance other then your own head evidently, then I don't want to talk to you anymore.
Any person who believes that we are in the tribulation right now, doesn't believe that the abomination of desolation is the Antichrist, when it is backed up by the book of Daniel, hanging on the edge of Preterisim by thinking Jesus was talking to THAT generation needs Spiritual insight, not Jen insight!! If you ever get it together scripturally, what a day of rejoicing that will be!!. We in this forum want nothing more then for you to have that Spiritual light come on so you can see the truth. Gee, even some of your beliefs aren't even the standard Protestant beliefs. Like I've told you before, you are one of a kind. Not all of us who are post-trib believe exactly the same way, but you get WAY OUT THERE to where I just sit here and shake my head in wonderment over where you come up with this stuff. You are deceiving those who ask questions (babes in Christ) who really want to know the truth. That frustrates me to no end!!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Jesus said a lot of things Jen. You just don't know how they line up prophectically, and possibly never will. When more then myself tells you how dead wrong you are, and you keep hanging onto this false doctrine anyway and spreading it on this board without any guidance other then your own head evidently, then I don't want to talk to you anymore.
Any person who believes that we are in the tribulation right now, doesn't believe that the abomination of desolation is the Antichrist, when it is backed up by the book of Daniel, hanging on the edge of Preterisim by thinking Jesus was talking to THAT generation needs Spiritual insight, not Jen insight!! If you ever get it together scripturally, what a day of rejoicing that will be!!. We in this forum want nothing more then for you to have that Spiritual light come on so you can see the truth. Gee, even some of your beliefs aren't even the standard Protestant beliefs. Like I've told you before, you are one of a kind. Not all of us who are post-trib believe exactly the same way, but you get WAY OUT THERE to where I just sit here and shake my head in wonderment over where you come up with this stuff. You are deceiving those who ask questions (babes in Christ) who really want to know the truth. That frustrates me to no end!!

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?

Go pray and then study. Not study, and hope something comes through and just accept it if it sounds good to you. You would be a great asset to the kingdom if truth was there.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Go pray and then study. Not study, and hope something comes through and just accept it if it sounds good to you. You would be a great asset to the kingdom if truth was there.

Nana, I'm not asking for much:

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?

 

[get it right]

cannot help but notice some post tribbers cannot answer questions put to them, but in it's place reply with demonising accusations.

such as:
not praying
purposeally deceiving
untruthful
and on

paranoia and hate is fear, it is a spirit of the devil, it's opposite is Love which is of Gods Spirit.

 

[Hentenza]

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[Big Mouth Nana]

Nana, I'm not asking for much:

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?

The reason I am not answering is because this has been addressed SEVERAL times to you, and a person gets tired of repeating themselves. It just gives you another chance to post your falsehoods from our answers. I'm done with this aspect of Eschatolgy with you. Don't think that it is a dodge and weave. It's actually running for dear life from your false doctrine

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

cannot help but notice some post tribbers cannot answer questions put to them, but in it's place reply with demonising accusations.

such as:
not praying
purposeally deceiving
untruthful
and on

paranoia and hate is fear, it is a spirit of the devil, it's opposite is Love which is of Gods Spirit.

They have already been answered to this person before. You just weren't here evidently.

 

[ezek33]

cannot help but notice some post tribbers cannot answer questions put to them, but in it's place reply with demonising accusations.

such as:
not praying
purposeally deceiving
untruthful
and on

paranoia and hate is fear, it is a spirit of the devil, it's opposite is Love which is of Gods Spirit.

They have already been answered to this person before. You just weren't here evidently.

True very true, any question that she asks have been asked and answered 100s of times, she just ignores the answers and keeps asking the same old questions. At some point you are going to stop continuously answering her.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Nana, I'm not asking for much:

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?

dan 9:24-27, matt 24:15-20, 2 thes 2:4, rev 12:6-12, rev 13:5-6

all connect

as soon as the Holy Spirit changes his prsence here on earth to in Heaven the Beast takes over .. 2 thes 2:7, rev 4:5, jh 14:16-20

 

[HisdaughterJen]

True very true, any question that she asks have been asked and answered 100s of times, she just ignores the answers and keeps asking the same old questions. At some point you are going to stop continuously answering her.

Nana and Ezek33,

If you guys have answered those questions, then paste 'em here. You have not answered those questions even once, let alone "100's of times".

This is a written forum where anyone can go back and look to see what has been asked and what has been answered. It boggles my mind that you guys would say you've answered the questions when anyone can see that you haven't.

Copy and paste if you have posted the answer before and tell me where it was posted.

Here are SOME of the questions AGAIN:

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?


Here are the other questions with supporting scripture:

DID Jesus say, in regards to the temple and it's buildings, "not one stone will be left on another"?

DID the disciples ask Jesus, "when will this be"?

DID Jesus answer the question regarding the destruction of the temple and it's buildings or not? If so, with what verse in Matt 24?

DID Jesus say that Israel/Jerusalem's "house would be left to them desolate"?

DID Luke understand that the abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies and the dispersement of the people "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"?

Does Daniel 9:26-27 speak of a desolation of the city/sanctuary? When did it happen?

Is the anti-christ ever mentioned in ANY of those passages?

Is the anti-christ EVER referred to as "the abomination of desolation"?

Here are the scriptures to help you answer those questions:


Mat 24:1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.

Mat 24:2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."


Mat 24:3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"



Mat 24:15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand
Mat 24:16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.




Dan 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Dan 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] (THE CITY/SANCTUARY) desolate, even until the consummation (THE END), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(ISRAEL)


Luk 21:20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
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Luk 21:24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.



Mat 23:37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Mat 23:38Look, your house is left to you desolate.

 

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[Big Mouth Nana]

Nana and Ezek33,

If you guys have answered those questions, then paste 'em here. You have not answered those questions even once, let alone "100's of times".

This is a written forum where anyone can go back and look to see what has been asked and what has been answered. It boggles my mind that you guys would say you've answered the questions when anyone can see that you haven't.

Copy and paste if you have posted the answer before and tell me where it was posted.

I'm not going back and searching for these answers just so you think that you can prove a point. I'll answer these one more time Jen. If you don't get it this time..to bad for you.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the anti-christ as the abomination of desolation.

Do you not understand what Mark was saying when he said this? Mark 13:14 ~ But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,(Jen refuses) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: Matthew says the same thing.
This is what Daniel 9:27 says.. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, (abomination of desolation) even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Do you also not understand also that Israel are the desolate as proven by scripture? Matt 23:37-39 ~ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. This is because they denied the Son of God, and they will accept the beast for a time until Christ is revealed...John 5:43 ~I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
39) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Desolations are determined on Israel until Christ returns and they accept their true Messiah. It is also called the time of Jacobs trouble...Jer 30:7 ~Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it". It also goes with this verse..Matt 24:21 ~ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Show me ONE scripture that refers to the "tribulation" (which happens and ends just before the sun/moon darken,according to Jesus) as the reign of the devil.

There isn't a verse that states that, and you know it. I guess in your case you could throw Daniel 9:27 out to suit your own beliefs. You have to have enough common sense and Holy Spirit understanding to take all these things as a whole and the answer is there. It proves that the Devil is reigning during the tribulation. He would have to be for the simple fact alone that Christ only destroys him after he comes back right after the tribulation and not before. Of course you probably believe that he was here in 70 AD which is a real laugh!!!!

According to Revelation, is the beast in power before or after the 6th seal (before or after the sun/moon darken)?

He is here before the sun/moon darken. Christ doesn't return until right after the sun moon darkens to destroy him with the brightness of His coming...2 Thess 2:8-10 ~ And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Here are the other questions with supporting scripture:

DID Jesus say, in regards to the temple and it's buildings, "not one stone will be left on another"?

DID the disciples ask Jesus, "when will this be"?

DID Jesus answer the question regarding the destruction of the temple and it's buildings or not? If so, with what verse in Matt 24?

DID Jesus say that Israel/Jerusalem's "house would be left to them desolate"?

DID Luke understand that the abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by armies and the dispersement of the people "until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"?

Does Daniel 9:26-27 speak of a desolation of the city/sanctuary? When did it happen?

Is the anti-christ ever mentioned in ANY of those passages?

Is the anti-christ EVER referred to as "the abomination of desolation"?

Here are the scriptures to help you answer those questions:


Mat 24:1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.

Mat 24:2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."


Mat 24:3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"



Mat 24:15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand
Mat 24:16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.




Dan 9:26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Dan 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] (THE CITY/SANCTUARY) desolate, even until the consummation (THE END), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(ISRAEL)


Luk 21:20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near.
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Luk 21:24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.



Mat 23:37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Mat 23:38Look, your house is left to you desolate.

You are "rambling" like someone who can't hit on a question. Put this in more of a concise format with questions, or I am not answering them. I may not answer them anyway. Depends on my mood and if I feel like playing head games like you do. Some of this I already answered. I know where you stand already, and you are out in left field biblically....BATTER UP!!!
Did you ever consider joining a Preterist Forum?? You would fit right in.