Jesus is my mother-a testimony

[benedictaoo]

I've shared my heart. I spoke of how Jesus helped me to forgive, get over my fears, gave me back my self esteem, healed my emotions and all you can do in knit pick because I'm not talking about Mary enough. Just say, "I'm am blessed He did that for you." And give Him the glory.

leave it at that.

It's foolish to debate what Jesus has done for a person.

But, but, but we are not debating that, I do praise Jesus for what He has done for you... and will keep doing. Jesus is awesome, you will get no argument from me there.

It's just the language you used and the fact that this thread is in response to the Mary threads.

You said we would "understand" and now we do... I do understand now why Mary is difficult for you, why Protestantism attracted you.

But all that motherly love Jesus shown you... and your gratitude for that love, now its' time for you to return the favor to Jesus.

How much motherly love do you think He received from Mary? How special do you think that relationship was/is now? Don't you think Jesus would be pleased if you acknowledged that?

And do you really think Jesus would keep all that to Himself... scripture says He did not, He gave her to John, and John took her in.

All the love Jesus gave to you as a mother... I would like to think he had a great example of a mother's love.

 

[kisstheson]

She said she is Catholic, she attends Mass, was baptised in the Church- now you need to let it go.

Please, stop attacking her character.

Here's where I let it go too. It would be nice if we could actually talk about Jesus instead of who is more Catholic than the other. Now I'm going to my friend's house to bring in the New Year.

Happy New Year to everyone!

 

[kisstheson]

But, but, but we are not debating that, I do praise Jesus for what He has done for you... and will keep doing. Jesus is awesome, you will get no argument from me there.

It's just the language you used and the fact that this thread is in response to the Mary threads.

You said we would "understand" and now we do... I do understand now why Mary is difficult for you, why Protestantism attracted you.

But all that motherly love Jesus shown you... and your gratitude for that love, now its' time for you to return the favor to Jesus.

How much motherly love do you think He received from Mary? How special do you think that relationship was/is now? Don't you think Jesus would be pleased if you acknowledged that?

And do you really think Jesus would keep all that to Himself... scripture says He did not, He gave her to John, and John took her in.

All the love Jesus gave to you as a mother... I would like to think he had a great example of a mother's love.

Now you are making me cry...why are you pressuring me? Just commit me to the grace and mercy of Jesus. I'll say it for the last time. Jesus has been my dear kind Mother. I know Mary is my Mother. I have more of a devotion towards Christ. I don't think He is mad at me for that.

 

[benedictaoo]

She said she is Catholic, she attends Mass, was baptised in the Church- now you need to let it go.

Please, stop attacking her character.

Roll eyes... I did not attack her character.

east coast is baptized too but you disagree that he's Catholic, really, you need to make up your mind what side of the fence you are going to fall on.

You know good and well a Catholic reconciles themslevs back to the Church through the sacrament of confession and they confess the apostasy and denounce all those other faiths they accepted. They also must accept all the Church purposes for our belief...

 

[benedictaoo]

KTS, I'm not trying to make you cry... sorry if I did. You really aren't reading me correctly. I did commit you the grace and mercy of Jesus.

I do praise Jesus for what He has done for you... and will keep doing. Jesus is awesome, you will get no argument from me there.

see? and where did I say Jesus would be mad at you? I said it would please Him to give some propts to His mom.

But dear, it's you that argues with us over Mary, not the other way around. Anytime there is a thread about Mary you want to tell us how wrong we are and get emotional and offended by the Church's teaching.

The Church teaches us what they do about Mary becuase its' true. That is just the long and short of this all. It's just that simple, but it's just that hard.

 

[BAFRIEND]

KTS, I'm not trying to make you cry... sorry if I did. You really aren't reading me correctly. I did commit you the grace and mercy of Jesus.

see? and where did I say Jesus would be mad at you? I said it would please Him to give some propts to His mom.

But dear, it's you that argues with us over Mary, not the other way around. Anytime there is a thread about Mary you want to tell us how wrong we are and get emotional and offended by the Church's teaching.

The Church teaches us what they do about Mary becuase its' true. That is just the long and short of this all. It's just that simple, but it's just that hard.

I quote the bishops and catechism of the RCC about Mary and you seem to have a problem with that.

Are you a Catholic ?

 

[benedictaoo]

I quote the bishops and catechism of the RCC about Mary and you seem to have a problem with that.

Are you a Catholic ?

Where did I post I had a problem with your quotes? it's your spin, and I just do not know what you are trying to accomplish by posting them...

and why are you fighting with eveyone now?

i would hate to think you just like to fight with ppl. I know you nemesis's are not active like they use to be, so you are truing on us now??

Lord tell me that is not what's up here?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Where did I post I had a problem with your quotes? it's your spin, and I just do not know what you are trying to accomplish by posting them...

and why are you fighting with eveyone now?

i would hate to think you just like to fight with ppl. I know you nemesis's are not active like they use to be, so you are truing on us now??

Lord tell me that is not what's up here?

You know this is a false accusation, TLF has been fighting me forever against the proper Church teachings in regards to Mother Mary.

Yeah I guess I will fight if an innocent person is being attacked with false teaching regarding devotions- she need not have devotions to any saint in the RCC, she can go straight to Jesus, the sole mediator and that is what the Church teaches.

 

[LilLamb219]

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[MarkRohfrietsch]

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[benedictaoo]

You know this is a false accusation, TLF has been fighting me forever against the proper Church teachings in regards to Mother Mary.

Yeah I guess I will fight if an innocent person is being attacked with false teaching regarding devotions- she need not have devotions to any saint in the RCC, she can go straight to Jesus, the sole mediator and that is what the Church teaches.

she can and whose been saying she can't? I have numerous times she does not have to have a devotion to Mary.

That is not the problem... the problem is denial of what the Church does teach us about Mary. That all graces comes through her intersession. And some New Ageism giving Jesus the title of mother.

I read over the mystic she is using to justify this and this Julian is in reference to seeing Jesus as loving and caring and nurturing, not as hard core judge sitting in heaven ready to thrown down lighting bolts at us.

We can see Jesus as loving as a mother but we can not cross the line and call him "our Mother..." He is not our mother, Mary is our mother. Another official Church teaching, Mary is our mother.

 

[BAFRIEND]

she can and whose been saying she can't? I have numerous times she does not have to have a devotion to Mary.

That is not the problem... the problem is denial of what the Church does teach us about Mary. That all graces comes through her intersession. And some New Ageism giving Jesus the title of mother.

I read over the mystic she is using to justify this and this Julian is in reference to seeing Jesus as loving and caring and nurturing, not as hard core judge sitting in heaven ready to thrown down lighting bolts at us.

We can see Jesus as loving as a mother but we can not cross the line and call him "our Mother..." He is not our mother, Mary is our mother. Another official Church teaching, Mary is our mother.

The teaching of the Church is that no saint, including Mother Mary, can act outside the authority of Jesus. So, technically she is correct because Mary cannot distribute graces not be the source of all graces independent of Jesus, on the other hand, Jesus can do what he wills, independently of any saint.

Before anyone reports this post, I have quoted a priest who has written over thirty books on the teaching of the RCC, who has a Phd, has been editor of Catholic publications, stating exactly that in another thread.

 

[benedictaoo]

The teaching of the Church is that no saint, including Mother Mary, can act outside the authority of Jesus. So, technically she is correct because Mary cannot distribute graces not be the source of all graces independent of Jesus, on the other hand, Jesus can do what he wills, independently of any saint.

Duh and it's a problem that you class Mary as just one saint among many... watering it down is not cool but I digress.

point is Jesus is the source of grace and not one time, one single person has said here He is not so it's a strawman to keep making that point... but God has seen fit to place actual graces in her hands to dispense to us, her children in the order of grace.

That is something that the Church has made perfectly clear in the CCC. So you know, you can down play it but it does not diminish the truth just cuz you do.

 

[kisstheson]

CONTRIBUTOR HAT ON!

(Just kidding.)

Listen...since the mods have reviewed this thread and have decided to put it back on the board let's stop debating and consider the meat of this discussion.

Here's something that was shared on the Beloved Jesus thread in Deeper Fellowship.


Matt. 23:37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

A mother has a strong desire to gather her children together.

She desires family harmony – all the children together.

Is. 49:14 But Zion said, “The LORD has forsaken me,
And the Lord has forgotten me.”
Is. 49:15 “Can a woman forget her nursing child
And have no compassion on the son of her womb?
Even these may forget, but I will not forget you.
Is. 49:16 “Behold, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me.

A nursing child is totally dependent upon the mother. It’s the time of the most intimate bond between mother and child.


Is. 66:12 For thus says the LORD, “Behold, I extend peace to her (Jerusalem) like a river,And the glory of the nations like an overflowing stream; And you will be nursed, you will be carried on the hip and fondled on the knees.
Is. 66:13 “As one whom his mother comforts, so I will comfort you;
And you will be comforted in Jerusalem.”


God will comfort His people like a mother nursing – fed, carried on the hip, and played with on the knee – bringing joy and laughter


Psa. 131:1 O LORD, my heart is not proud, nor my eyes haughty;
Nor do I involve myself in great matters,
Or in things too difficult for me.
Psa. 131:2 Surely I have composed and quieted my soul;
Like a weaned child rests against his mother,
My soul is like a weaned child within me.
Psa. 131:3 O Israel, hope in the LORD
From this time forth and forever.

A child in simplicity enjoys the love of a mother.
Don’t be involved with great matters. Don’t be proud.
A mother loves you for who you are not what you do.
A child feels safe and secure resting on the heart of a mother.
A weaned child enjoys his/her mother not because of what she provides.
A weaned child simply delights in the unconditional love of a mother.
No one can comfort like our God.

Deut. 32:9 “For the LORD’S portion is His people;
Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance.
Deut. 32:10 “He found him in a desert land,
And in the howling waste of a wilderness;
He encircled him, He cared for him,
He guarded him as the pupil of His eye.
Deut. 32:11 “Like an eagle that stirs up its nest,
That hovers over its young,
He spread His wings and caught them,
He carried them on His pinions.


A mother has a deep desire to see her children succeed.
A mother trains her children. She’ll even push them out of the nest, but she’s there to catch them if they fall. She’ll believe in her child over and over again even when they have fallen down. Her love is unconditional, as is the Lord's

Num. 11:12 “Was it I who conceived all this people? Was it I who brought them forth, that You should say to me, ‘Carry them in your bosom as a nurse carries a nursing infant, to the land which You swore to their fathers’?
Num. 11:13 “Where am I to get meat to give to all this people? For they weep before me, saying, ‘Give us meat that we may eat!’
Num. 11:14 “I alone am not able to carry all this people, because it is too burdensome for me.

God tells Moses, “Take care of My children like a nurse would a nursing infant.” Provide for them. Moses caught the burden of God.

1Th. 2:7 But we proved to be gentle among you, as a nursing mother tenderly cares for her own children.
1Th. 2:8 Having so fond an affection for you, we were well-pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God but also our own lives, because you had become very dear to us.
A mother tenderly cares with fond affection for her children. They are very dear to her.


Paul walked in this grace of a mother’s heart. The way he led was with a gentle spirit, tenderly caring, being affectionate and prepared to give his very life.

We see the heart of God in you.
You carry something that we as men need more of.
We affirm you. We want to see you blessed and released into the full destiny of God for your lives. We need your spirit. We need your gifts.

Mother's have:

Heart to gather
Heart to show compassion
Heart to comfort
Heart to love unconditionally
Heart to instruct
Heart to provide
Heart to tenderly care​

 

[benedictaoo]

Jesus is not our mother.. Mary is our mother... Jesus loves us like a mother, but he also loves us more then any earthly mother can, He also loves us like a brother, a like father, like a friend, and like a spouse, IOW He loves us like our God would.

We need to see Jesus beyond this "our mother..." concept devotion. I don't think Julian's writting was to establish devotion to "Jesus our mother" but to let us know that God is not some abstract God and meanie only interested in justice.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Doing something like a mother and being the mother are two different things. For example, I can cook pancakes for my kids just like how their mother does it, but it wouldn't make me their mother.
.

 

[benedictaoo]

Doing something like a mother and being the mother are two different things. For example, I can cook pancakes for my kids just like how their mother does it, but it wouldn't make me their mother.
.

Bingo-- Bango.

 

[benedictaoo]

I get the sentiments but establishing devotion to jesus "our mother" is not kosher. We have devotions to His mother, Mary. there is just no reason to establish devotion to jesus "our mother..."

The mystic was not trying to establish any devotion to jesus 'our mother..." she was just trying to teach us that God is not some mean masculine unreachable God. That He is as gentle and loving as a mother is to her child but that in no way should translate into Jesus becoming our mother or taking Jesus as our mother. He gave us mary for that.

 

[D'Ann]

I am not saying Blessed Juliana's Theology is not tricky and complex. It is. But it can be validly expressed. Remember one of the earliest representations of Christ was as a mother Pelican. In many ways the mystical side of the theology stems from that. And I didn't read anything in Kisstheson's analysis that is unorthodox.

I haven't read through this thread yet and so if I repeat what has been said or if this is an old conversation, please disregard my post.

I actually read Juliana Norwich biography. I can't remember, but someone from here recommended her to me. I think she might have been Teshi, but I'm not sure. (senior moment).

With Catholics who know the faith and are strong in the Catholic faith and her teachings etc, reading Norwich will most likely not endanger them into believing anything contrary to the Church teachings. But when there is a person who is just learning about the Catholic faith and is struggling and perhaps still hurting and grieving over their loss, reading Norwich is probably not a good idea. One should learn the basic fundamentals of the Catholic faith and be strong in the Catholic faith before reading complex writings like Norwich.

I also believe that Norwich is not a father of the Church and of her writings and/or insights are not part of the deposit of faith. Catholics are not required to believe or even read what she writes. I believe some of her writings may lean towards private revelation and that is okay, but like you said, we need to lean towards the side of caution.

KisstheSon,

My heart goes out to you. It is never fair or right in losing a parent or a child. I'm glad that our Lord Jesus was able to nurture you, comfort you, bring you some hope and peace and embrace you in His loving arms when you needed Him the most. May He continue to do this in your life.

Your mom will continue to be in my prayers and you are very much in my prayers as you learn more and more about the Catholic faith. I believe in time, you will grow to understand how much Mary loves you too and how she can also be apart of mothering you in the right way.

When I lost my baby boy, it was Mary that I felt some kind of connection to. Not to compare my loss and suffering to hers, but it's like for the first time in my life, I could relate to her.

With all of my heart, I pray that you have peace and are surrounded by love in Christ and by Christ and Mary and all of the saints.

God's peace,

Debbie

 

[Angeldove97]

KTS~ I think Jesus does have alot of wonderful loving qualities a mother would have. We're very much blessed that He loves us so much and can provide us comfort and mercy in our times of need.

I was blessed to grow up with having both of my parents in a safe home. I did not have a close relationship with my Dad (though I know he loves me very much and has done all that he can to help me through out my almost 24 years of being alive) and would often be reminded by God that He is my heavenly Father. It was a promise of love that I know would never be taken away from me~ it was a huge comfort in my life. Now with my struggles with my Mom are taking over and while I know Jesus loves me very much, I find myself often running to the Virgin Mary~ for her qualities of being a loving Mother to the Church.

So yes, I understand~ I never went through the heart ache of what you did (btw, thank you so much for sharing, that is very brave of you ), but I understand the wonderful love and peace of God the Father and the blessing through Jesus Christ, that we have Mary as our Mother. I'm not comfortable with saying Jesus is like a mother~but he definitely has the qualities a good mother has. And I'm thankful unto Him for proving you comfort through your children and into adulthood