Throw Shoes at President Bush!

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If you love George Bush, Jr. so much why don't you marry him?

Apparently you already have - in your mind. :D

Bush, Cheney and their minions are about as popular as a gut load of ground glass- now that people know the full extent of their evil and incompetency. The fact that you missed the boat is sad. All the rest of us can do at this point is explain it to you. Unfortunately we can't understand it for you.
This doesn't make sense at all because I never expressed any love for George Bush.

When you say that I don't understand "it" I take it you mean "the nature of Bush Derangement Syndrome". It certainly is true that I cannot, through rational thinking, understand an irrational hatred of George W. Bush.
 
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This doesn't make sense at all because I never expressed any love for George Bush...

Well, it smells like love to me.

...When you say that I don't understand "it" I take it you mean "the nature of Bush Derangement Syndrome". It certainly is true that I cannot, through rational thinking, understand an irrational hatred of George W. Bush.

I have a rational disgust concerning George Bush, Jr. He isn't worthy of hate.
 
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George Bush had every opportunity imaginable, wealth, fame, and the connections to be placed into the presidency. Did he use that responsibility wisely, did he work for the betterment of society and the enhancement of America's reputation in the world? No, Bush's presidency was all about George Bush, a titanic ego determined to prove that intellect and humility are worthless characteristics.

Bush started a war because he wanted to. He had the CIA trick up phony intelligence, whatever it took to get his war. The 4000 American casualties? They volunteered, so nobody should be surprised a few of them died.

In a nation with a history of perverted leadership, like Germany, a man like Bush would have been stopped. In America, he got the benefit of the doubt, over and over again. For Bush's entire 8 years in office, there was disbelief that the President of the United States would really act against the interests of the nation and the people. We must be mistaken. We just don't understand. And yet it happened.

So when an Iraqi throws his shoes at Bush, the world watches in satisfaction. Bush may be tried for war crimes, he may be called to account for his actions, but at least he has been publicly humiliated. It is a start.
 
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First of all, any valid examination of Bush's presidency is pretty much impossible until years after the president has left office. I don't think we can yet accurately examine Clinton's presidency as a historical item.

Second of all, Bush is guilty of no war crimes. These kind of things just muddy the waters of fair political discourse.
Did he violate rights of the American people? Yes, more than once, with powers granted to him by Congress.

What irks me is people calling phone tapping the worst crime in the world. I honestly couldn't care less, but I CAN see why it bothers people, and I agree. They also only monitored you if you made calls to the middle east or known terrorist lines.
 
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Given his culture that was a TERRIBLE insult. As I understand it, it'd be worse than for a westerner to spit him in his face.

Good game, though ^^

You are right.

That is also why they were hitting Saddam Hussein's statue's head with shoesies.

This journalist took a stand he knew would ruin his life, he made a statement that he felt was more important than his life itself. He has become an icon of bravery, just like the Chinese man who faced down a column of tanks, then disappeared from the earth. My prayers go out to this shoe thrower, that he may survive his punishment and live to enjoy the acclaim of a grateful world.

It was a threatening act and he should go to jail for a while. He is also an embarrassment and a blemish on his country and an ungrateful doo doo head.

We liberate his country so he can actually report the news freely and he throws a show at the man responsible for it.
 
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That's the risk he took by committing such an unnecessary and ridiculous act of violence.

Brave man, alright, I agree.
The man you are praising for assaulting the president of the United States.
I wasn't praising him sonny, just applauding his courage.
Oh my word! Its amazing how you randomly say something as ignorant as this without backing it up with studies and evidence and proceed to tell the writer you are quoting how he can't possibly be awake while typing. How hypocritical. Somehow you are busier equating innocent Iraqi's death to the "evil" Americans and Brits than to evil men like Saddam Hussein who regularly killed his own people. Have you even bothered reading your post, buddy?
This statement was a response to karate kids asisnine statement, you are reading both sides right, Right?
Once again, you have made the same absurd statement without backing it up with evidence. How sad.
Don't be sad. See above. If you can't find abundent proof of the death tolls in Iraq pre-santions and wars then you're just not looking.

So I guess you can say the exact same thing about William Ayers, or John Wilkes Booth or any assassin who were successful or almost successful in their attempts at "sticking it" to the power. Your colors are truly showing.

He was making a political statement, not trying to murder anyone. Try and keep your twisted analogies in-line with what is being said OK?
Yes. We all know that every President this country has ever had took the front lines in the wars that were fought during their administration.
Again your not paying attention; when given the chance to fight (Veitnam, you're maybe too young to remember, but your country has been thru this mess before) Bushs daddy hid him in the NG.
Weird. I don't remember him saying anything at all about commies. Hmmm.....could this be another failed attempt at looking whitty?
No, its you're lack of due diligence in seeing what a neocon you're trying to defend.
Go on! Keep attacking this man's Christian faith. By lowering yourself to the lowest level of scum, you can really make changes around these forums. Heck! I'm sure the guy will come back in and give you a pat on your back for being so patriotic!
My point, which like every other one i made you've missed on purpose no doubt, is hes not sounding very christian. I was belittling his "faith" because hes showing so little of it....Patriotic???
I find this statement quite ironic and funny. YOU are the one supporting the attack upon a world leader.
Get your head out of the sand boy, he thru a shoe....Geez, you're hardly worth responding to.

YOU are the one making excuses for why it was okay.

Please show me where I said it was OK to attack a visiting head of state?
Where is the love for your fellow man? You obviously believe that George Bush is a murderer,
No, just stupid.

but are you adhering to God's word by turning the other cheek and forgiving him?

Whats God?
Doesn't look like you are to me.
I put no value in your sight.
Honestly, ask youself, what would Jesus do?
Duck?
No doubt, you'll probably try to weasel yourself out of this by taking the word of God and twisting it to somehow fit your excuses to why your entitled to feel this way about a human being.
Thanks for the exhibition of your total lack of ability at mind-reading. I don't have to twist the words of your religion to call KC and his defense of the actions taken against this man as acceptable.

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…First of all, any valid examination of Bush's presidency is pretty much impossible until years after the president has left office. I don't think we can yet accurately examine Clinton's presidency as a historical item….

I disagree. We know enough RIGHT NOW to understand Bush, Jr. is the worst president in the last 75 years, maybe even ever. Comparing Bush to Clinton is an unjustified insult to Mr. Clinton, his wife AND his various paramours.

…Second of all, Bush is guilty of no war crimes. These kind of things just muddy the waters of fair political discourse. .

It is yet to be determined if Bush is guilty of any war crimes. If you count starting a war based on lies, then he is guilty. Whether he will be found guilty of such in a court of law – that is to be determined. His V.P. just admitted in an interview that he knew of and approved torture (e.g., water boarding). I think he needs a blanket pardon from Bush now for all crimes he may have committed, just like Ford gave Nixon.

The U.S. government EXECUTED Japanese military officials for war crimes when they were found guilty of water boarding and otherwise torturing Allied prisoners. Why is Dick Cheney somehow exempt from the U.S. policy of no torture? Huh?

…Did he violate rights of the American people? Yes, more than once, with powers granted to him by Congress. .

Then if convicted he would be subject to execution.

…What irks me is people calling phone tapping the worst crime in the world. I honestly couldn't care less, but I CAN see why it bothers people, and I agree. They also only monitored you if you made calls to the middle east or known terrorist lines.

No one said it was the WORST crime in the world. You are just being silly and making that up. It is a violation of the Constitution. The fact that no proven harm was done is not an excuse. E.g., if I swing an ax at your head and miss, then I am NOT guilty of assault? According to your “logic”, that would be true.

And it is false that they only monitored calls made to the middle east or to known terrorists. They recorded MILLIONS of calls. There is no way all that was just terrorists or calls made to Iraq.

Your attempted apologies for Bush and his contemptible regime would be laughable if it weren’t so sad.
 
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If you think that tearing down an evil regime and replacing it with a budding democracy is stupid then

No, that would be OK, and I think most people would agree with that.

And inside the USA the propaganda machine kept spewing out that line and people fell for it.


Outside the US we heard predictions of doom well as soon as it was mentioned the Bush Administration wanted to attack Iraq.


Edward Heath, once British Prime Minister spoke in New York of the risk of a civil war once Saddam was removed. It was pretty obvious really given that 1/3 of the population were controlling the country keeping the other 2/3 under their thumbs.


The reason people disagree is not a matter of intelligence but of having different facts and having taken a public stand and become committed to different policies. Instead of holding beliefs, beliefs hold people.
 
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I disagree. We know enough RIGHT NOW to understand Bush, Jr. is the worst president in the last 75 years, maybe even ever. Comparing Bush to Clinton is an unjustified insult to Mr. Clinton, his wife AND his various paramours.
Hmmm, lets examine some past presidencies.
JFK, perhaps?
Because of his charisma and because he died before his time, Kennedy is still a pop icon more than 40 years after his death. But most historians believe the public overrates his presidency. JFK was meek on civil rights and approved the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion by Cuban exiles attempting to overthrow Castro’s regime—only to abandon them after they were under fire on Cuba’s beaches.
But his most dangerous actions came before and during the Cuban missile crisis, after which he was praised by many for making Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev withdraw Soviet nuclear missiles from the island.
The Soviets began to install long-range missiles in Cuba, in part because of fears of a full-blown U.S. invasion. Yet JFK and Robert McNamara, JFK’s secretary of defense, acknowledged privately the Soviet missiles in Cuba didn’t alter the nuclear balance, which favoured the United States.
The missiles in Cuba reduced U.S. warning time for an attack, but the United States didn’t (and still doesn’t) have an effective defence against missile attacks. When rumours first surfaced of Soviet missiles being installed in Cuba, JFK admitted privately that, if he hadn’t made tough public statements that this violated vital U.S. security interests, he could have done nothing about the missiles.
And information has recently surfaced indicating doing something about the long-range Soviet missiles created a greater risk of nuclear holocaust than even the widespread fears of the time imagined.
Despite the earlier Bay of Pigs fiasco, JFK was considering the invasion of Cuba as an option (to remove the missiles), this time using U.S. forces. But, unbeknownst to him and his advisers, the Soviets had installed short-range tactical nuclear weapons to deter or defend against any invasion aimed at taking out the long-range nuclear missiles being installed. If the United States had invaded, the crisis could have quickly escalated into a nuclear conflagration.
Although the favourable U.S.-Soviet nuclear balance was not in danger of being compromised, JFK’s competitive nature caused him to risk incineration of the world in order to best Khrushchev.
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1766


Read the article, Bush's unsuccessful presidency is most certainly not the worst ever, by a long shot.
People also fail to give him credit for no major terrorist attack on US soil in seven years since 9/11. It is fair to say he managed the aftermath of that disaster competently enough to prevent another.





It is yet to be determined if Bush is guilty of any war crimes. If you count starting a war based on lies, then he is guilty. Whether he will be found guilty of such in a court of law – that is to be determined. His V.P. just admitted in an interview that he knew of and approved torture (e.g., water boarding). I think he needs a blanket pardon from Bush now for all crimes he may have committed, just like Ford gave Nixon.
As for a "war based on lies" the war was started for two reasons -
To eliminate an Al Qaeda safe haven
To take WMDs - which Bush believed, and intelligence said - Saddam had.

The U.S. government EXECUTED Japanese military officials after war crimes when they were found guilty of water boarding and otherwise torturing Allied prisoners. Why is Dick Cheney somehow exempt from the U.S. policy of no torture? Huh?
Fair 'nuff - I agree.



Then if convicted he would be subject to execution.
As would every member of the Congress that granted him these powers.




No one said it was the WORST crime in the world. You are just being silly and making that up. It is a violation of the Constitution. The fact that no proven harm was done is not an excuse. E.g., if I swing an ax at your head and miss, then I am NOT guilty of assault? According to your “logic”, that would be true.
That is not what I said at all. I said it is a bad thing, a violation of the right to privacy.

And it is false that they only monitored calls made to the middle east or to known terrorists. They recorded MILLIONS of calls. There is no way all that was just terrorists or calls made to Iraq.
Your attempted apologies for Bush and his contemptible regime would be laughable if it weren’t so sad.
Your kneejerk reaction is rather interesting.
 
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Well, it smells like love to me.
I do not love George Bush. I respect him for the responsibility he has shouldered and done somewhat well.

I have a rational disgust concerning George Bush, Jr. He isn't worthy of hate.
They are basically the same thing when you have such emotions for another human. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

George Bush had every opportunity imaginable, wealth, fame, and the connections to be placed into the presidency. Did he use that responsibility wisely, did he work for the betterment of society and the enhancement of America's reputation in the world? No, Bush's presidency was all about George Bush, a titanic ego determined to prove that intellect and humility are worthless characteristics.

Bush started a war because he wanted to. He had the CIA trick up phony intelligence, whatever it took to get his war. The 4000 American casualties? They volunteered, so nobody should be surprised a few of them died.

In a nation with a history of perverted leadership, like Germany, a man like Bush would have been stopped. In America, he got the benefit of the doubt, over and over again. For Bush's entire 8 years in office, there was disbelief that the President of the United States would really act against the interests of the nation and the people. We must be mistaken. We just don't understand. And yet it happened.

So when an Iraqi throws his shoes at Bush, the world watches in satisfaction. Bush may be tried for war crimes, he may be called to account for his actions, but at least he has been publicly humiliated. It is a start.
This is a polemic rant because it is filed with half truths. There is no reliable evidence that Bush had false intelligence cooked. It is simply a myth that you want to believe.

Regarding the 4000 US soldiers that died: I don't think many people on the left really care about that, as more US children are murdered by their own mothers every day. If leftists truly cared at all about American lives they would be unanimous in their denunciation of the American Holocaust. This incosistency reveals to us that the 4000 deaths are simply a political bullet to fire at George Bush, who they irrationally hate.

You can tell that rational discussion with people who hold your views is a waste of time. If George Bush were really as evil as Adolf Hitler ( a comparison which takes the most disgusting, depraved morality to assert) then Europe and all the world would be united in a military effort to stop the United States. However, the walk contradicts the talk. If all the world so hated what was happening in Iraq they would take up arms to stop us. If this war were so illegal they would be attacking us.

But the truth is that creating a democracy is good. You claim that the world hates Bush and takes pleasure in shoes being thrown at him. Well, that is an half truth: the world's radical leftist fringe hates Bush and takes delight in seeing shoes thrown at him. Unfortunately for them he dodges their pathetic, childish attempts at revolt with the same graceful adeptness that he dodges their feeble attempts to discredit him with pathetic, pseudo intellectual arguments grounded in irrational hatred and a juvenile anti-authoritarianism.

First of all, any valid examination of Bush's presidency is pretty much impossible until years after the president has left office. I don't think we can yet accurately examine Clinton's presidency as a historical item.

Second of all, Bush is guilty of no war crimes. These kind of things just muddy the waters of fair political discourse.
Did he violate rights of the American people? Yes, more than once, with powers granted to him by Congress.

What irks me is people calling phone tapping the worst crime in the world. I honestly couldn't care less, but I CAN see why it bothers people, and I agree. They also only monitored you if you made calls to the middle east or known terrorist lines.
This is a well written post with great insight into things. Particularly the part about how we cannot accurately examine his presidency yet. For example we are just now seeing some of the things from Clinton's presidency blooming. The CRA passed during Clinton's term has destroyed the financial industry and gutted the economy, bringing the whole world into recession and even bankrupting entire countries like Iceland. The point here is not to bash Clinton, but to point out that we cannot make an accurate, wholistic assessment. Given this, I think that when we look at people who in summarizing Bush say with no hesitation "Worst. President. Ever." it shows that reason and logic are lost on their hate-based anti-intellectualism.


You are right.

That is also why they were hitting Saddam Hussein's statue's head with shoesies.



It was a threatening act and he should go to jail for a while. He is also an embarrassment and a blemish on his country and an ungrateful doo doo head.

We liberate his country so he can actually report the news freely and he throws a show at the man responsible for it.
Short but sweet!
 
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We liberate his country so he can actually report the news freely and he throws a show at the man responsible for it.


I knew a number of people from Iraq and the word 'liberate' really isn't the right word. 'Trash' would be closer to what has happened.


Many nations have suffered during US wars. Vietnam suffered badly while the US fought to gain control of the country and the oil just off the South coast.


South Korea is one of few countries with a debt of gratitude to the US, and you happen to be living in it. China is another, and Haiti is the third. Even Americans fighting in Korea were aware it wasn't an ordinary war; it was a struggle with Communist forces in which the US had nothing to gain.


If you tally nations the US has harmed against nations the US has helped it comes out something like 1:10.
 
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I knew a number of people from Iraq and the word 'liberate' really isn't the right word. 'Trash' would be closer to what has happened.


Many nations have suffered during US wars. Vietnam suffered badly while the US fought to gain control of the country and the oil just off the South coast.


South Korea is one of few countries with a debt of gratitude to the US, and you happen to be living in it. China is another, and Haiti is the third. Even Americans fighting in Korea were aware it wasn't an ordinary war; it was a struggle with Communist forces in which the US had nothing to gain.


If you tally nations the US has harmed against nations the US has helped it comes out something like 1:10.

The number of nations the USA has helped through its wars has a good tally. We have saved your own country twice now. You can add France, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Poland, the Czech Republic, Luxembourg, Belgium . . . well, most of Europe, to that list. There's also Japan and I think Mongolia.
 
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The number of nations the USA has helped through its wars has a good tally. We have saved your own country twice now. You can add France, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Poland, the Czech Republic, Luxembourg, Belgium . . . well, most of Europe, to that list. There's also Japan and I think Mongolia.

The Soviet Union...

The Republic of Korea. Probably the Republic of China. Saudi Arabia. Kuwait.
 
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The Soviet Union...
A correction - the US didn't help the Soviet Union in WWII, Hitler attacked the USSR after we joined the war. The enemy of my enemy is my friend was the basic thought process.

The Republic of Korea. Probably the Republic of China. Saudi Arabia. Kuwait.
As for China, we stopped the Japanese. Helping the Chinese was a necessity, considering Japan was at war with China. Again, enemy of my enemy.
For the rest, likely.
You forgot Afghanistan, surprisingly.
 
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People also fail to give him credit for no major terrorist attack on US soil in seven years since 9/11.

Who gets credit for the lack of major terrorist attacks on U.S. soil in the prior 187 years?
 
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There was plenty of terrror in the years prior to 9/11. Sherman marching throught the south, US troops wiping out whole villages of Indians, the differance was that in the past the government had a monopoly on terror...

Who gets credit for the lack of major terrorist attacks on U.S. soil in the prior 187 years?
 
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