If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

[LittleNipper]

Do you not regard sex as a loving act?

If it is not an act that you would want 3 and four year old engaging in, and they need LOTS of loving, then the answer would be that there must be perameters to that act. The real love I see is where two people are having sex with the mutual desire to have a baby (and babies are an embodiment of LOVE).

 

[LittleNipper]

That's rather a depressing point of view. I mean, sex is at best an expression of love, one person for another. And whilst love can certainly exist happily between two people without the act of sex taking place, I think that sex without love would be unbearable.

Just MO.

David.

What one is expressing in the act, unless connected with trying to build a family, is corrupted with lust.

 

[cantata]

If it is not an act that you would want 3 and four year old engaging in, and they need LOTS of loving, then the answer would be that there must be perameters to that act. The real love I see is where two people are having sex with the mutual desire to have a baby (and babies are an embodiment of LOVE).

Hey, guess what? There are different kinds of love.

 

[David Brider]

What one is expressing in the act, unless connected with trying to build a family, is corrupted with lust.

Do you really think so? Why?

 

[LittleNipper]

Hey, guess what? There are different kinds of love.

And some kinds are to be desired above others.

 

[cantata]

And some kinds are to be desired above others.

Committed, romantic love is not to be desired?

Can I ask, how is making love with your committed partner any different from cooking a delicious meal together? Each act is mutually satisfying. Each is an expression of love, despite part of its pleasure being sensual. And each is, I suppose, "corrupted by lust", in the sense that it is partially about desiring sensual pleasure and wishing to see one's partner enjoying that pleasure also.

 

[LittleNipper]

Do you really think so? Why?

Otherwise, sex is a selfish act unless done entirely for the mate's enjoyment. In such a case though, that act would likely be done to keep the mate (or win one) and then results in being done for selfish reasoning anyway.

But when two individuals want to share having a baby, they are united in family building. They are not simply addressing their own concerns/desires, but that of a third party who is yet to materialize and is sought after.

 

[cantata]

But when two individuals want to share having a baby, they are united in family building. They are not simply addressing their own concerns/desires, but that of a third party who is yet to materialize and is sought after.

The poor creature didn't ask to be conceived. How selfish to bring it into the world regardless.

 

[LittleNipper]

Committed, romantic love is not to be desired?

Can I ask, how is making love with your committed partner any different from cooking a delicious meal together? Each act is mutually satisfying. Each is an expression of love, despite part of its pleasure being sensual. And each is, I suppose, "corrupted by lust", in the sense that it is partially about desiring sensual pleasure and wishing to see one's partner enjoying that pleasure also.

The welfare of others is to be desired. It is when one does that there comes inner joy, fulfillment and purpose.

 

[LittleNipper]

The poor creature didn't ask to be conceived. How selfish to bring it into the world regardless.

Without GOD nothing can be conceived. GOD is not selfish. He knows whosoever will.

 

[cantata]

The welfare of others is to be desired. It is when one does that there comes inner joy, fulfillment and purpose.

You didn't answer the question. What's the difference, ethically speaking, between loving sex between a committed couple, and the same couple cooking and enjoying a delicious meal together?

Don't such gestures do good by strengthening their relationship?

 

[OdwinOddball]

Without GOD nothing can be conceived. GOD is not selfish. He knows whosoever will.

The Christian god exhibits the ultimate in selfishness. He created an entire planet full of lifeforms to worship and glorify himself. if these creations don't kowtow to his universe sized ego they are thrown into a pit to be tortured for eternity.

Sounds pretty selfish to me.

 

[LittleNipper]

You didn't answer the question. What's the difference, ethically speaking, between loving sex between a committed couple, and the same couple cooking and enjoying a delicious meal together?

Don't such gestures do good by strengthening their relationship?

Loving sex between a married couple maybe sealed by GOD with a baby. Sex of same sex partners will never be so sealed. BIG DIFFERENCE! One doesn't need to have sex to establish a friendship.

 

[LittleNipper]

The Christian god exhibits the ultimate in selfishness. He created an entire planet full of lifeforms to worship and glorify himself. if these creations don't kowtow to his universe sized ego they are thrown into a pit to be tortured for eternity.

Sounds pretty selfish to me.

Perfect GOD cannot tolerate imperfection. Imperfection is what we became as the result of Adam's choice ----- not GOD's

 

[OdwinOddball]

Perfect GOD cannot tolerate imperfection. Imperfection is what we became as the result of Adam's choice ----- not GOD's

But since your god is supposed to be omnipotent, and he created this Adam chap, then he knew full well what Adam's choice would be before Adam made it. Thus he is the one responsible.

You can't claim your god as the ultimate power, and then try to remove his responsibility for the very things he supposedly created. Unless you are saying your god is a hypocrite.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Loving sex between a married couple maybe sealed by GOD with a baby. Sex of same sex partners will never be so sealed. BIG DIFFERENCE! One doesn't need to have sex to establish a friendship.

So according to this logic, my aunt and uncle(both Methodist) who have been married for nearly 40 years and have no children, do not have a valid marriage?

 

[LittleNipper]

But since your god is supposed to be omnipotent, and he created this Adam chap, then he knew full well what Adam's choice would be before Adam made it. Thus he is the one responsible.

You can't claim your god as the ultimate power, and then try to remove his responsibility for the very things he supposedly created. Unless you are saying your god is a hypocrite.

GOD is the one with a plan----which is more than I can say for those with excuses for their failure to embrace GOD's plan...

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

So according to this logic, my aunt and uncle(both Methodist) who have been married for nearly 40 years and have no children, do not have a valid marriage?

I'm waiting for the answer to this one, too. And whether married people over childbearing age should be indulging in sex or should just be coexisting as roomates.

 

[OdwinOddball]

GOD is the one with a plan----which is more than I can say for those with excuses for their failure to embrace GOD's plan...

Nice dodge, you completely failed to address my point. But since you don't deny any of it, and even claim its all gods plan, that is pretty much the same as admitting the ugly truth behind my assertion.

 

[Beanieboy]

Loving sex between a married couple maybe sealed by GOD with a baby. Sex of same sex partners will never be so sealed. BIG DIFFERENCE! One doesn't need to have sex to establish a friendship.

This is possible only if the couple is of child bearing years, or are both fertile. If they are not, which is often the case, they are unable to have a child. Are you suggesting that such a couple cannot be sealed by God? Are you suggesting that a couple that is fertile that waits 5 years is not sealed by God until they have a child? Are you suggesting that having a child somehow creates the bond of the marriage, and not the love that they have prior to the child?

It's very naive thinking, insulting to people that either don't have kids, or chose not to have them, couples who don't have children yet, and simply faulty logic.

Therefore, I can only conclude that such foolishness is your standard, and not God's.