If being homosexual is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals?

[Beanieboy]

I just asked because I am celibate, single and have not had sex before marriage. Not it is not foriegn, but in 24 years I have never been madly in love with any sex. I like women, I am attracted to women but I don't engange in heterosexual behavoir, I'm celibate, I have dated and at that time I engaged in those behavoirs but right now I am not currently seeing anyone. If i never engage in sexual behavoirs my true sexuality would never have to be known, correct.

I am just saying some of us hetero's will not get married and that is fine and that is fine for gays and bisexuals too. Because this is really about that, our spiritual walk with Christ. We our all in his image, you, me and those who are different. I believe sin is sin but God is God and he is faithful to love and deliver us from our temptations no matter what they are.

I think if you would commit to spending a lifetime of celebacy, and not marrying nor dating anyone that you meet, to show a homosexual how easy it is to live a life where you never have a companion, never have sex, never live with anyone, and die alone, then you can at least tell someone to live a life a celebacy, and do so by example.

However, most heterosexuals will get married, have a family, talk about how much their love is enriched by the love of their spouse, and how they are one of the most important people in their life, then tell someone gay that they should lead a sexless life without romantic love or romantic companionship.

That is hypocritical, selfish, and cruel.

 

[Godzman]

I think if you would commit to spending a lifetime of celebacy, and not marrying nor dating anyone that you meet, to show a homosexual how easy it is to live a life where you never have a companion, never have sex, never live with anyone, and die alone, then you can at least tell someone to live a life a celebacy, and do so by example.

However, most heterosexuals will get married, have a family, talk about how much their love is enriched by the love of their spouse, and how they are one of the most important people in their life, then tell someone gay that they should lead a sexless life without romantic love or romantic companionship.

That is hypocritical, selfish, and cruel.

I think it is cruel and selfish, but not neccessarily hypocritical, that would be doing a certain thing and saying it is wrong for instance saying homosexuality is wrong but engaging in that behavoir. TThat would be hypocritical. Marriage is an institution created orignally for having a family. I don't think having a family is a right it is something that not everybody will have but Christians are supposed to be one family, and protect the widows, orphans and I would argue the celibate as well.

Peace Be with you my Friend,

I try not to judge homosexuality, it isn't in me to do it. I wish I could take back everything wrong I have ever said about homosexuals. Just because the behavoir to me doesn't line up with my faith doesn't mean I hate you. And I apologize for the Christians whose zealousy causes them to be idiots to homosexuals.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I think if you would commit to spending a lifetime of celebacy, and not marrying nor dating anyone that you meet, to show a homosexual how easy it is to live a life where you never have a companion, never have sex, never live with anyone, and die alone, then you can at least tell someone to live a life a celebacy, and do so by example.

However, most heterosexuals will get married, have a family, talk about how much their love is enriched by the love of their spouse, and how they are one of the most important people in their life, then tell someone gay that they should lead a sexless life without romantic love or romantic companionship.

That is hypocritical, selfish, and cruel.

Very well said

 

[cantata]

Regarding sexual orientation being chosen or not: I can ASSURE you that it is not chosen, any more than one chooses their skin colour, gender or the number of fingers on their hands. I did NOT choose to be gay. But I am.

I chose. (It was one of the best decisions I have ever made.)

If you say you didn't choose, you didn't choose and that's fine, but I'd prefer it if you didn't assure anyone that "it is not chosen" (as opposed to "I didn't choose it"). You're not in a position to make such general remarks about everyone else's experiences.

 

[OllieFranz]

I think it is cruel and selfish, but not neccessarily hypocritical, that would be doing a certain thing and saying it is wrong for instance saying homosexuality is wrong but engaging in that behavoir. TThat would be hypocritical. Marriage is an institution created orignally for having a family. I don't think having a family is a right it is something that not everybody will have but Christians are supposed to be one family, and protect the widows, orphans and I would argue the celibate as well.

Peace Be with you my Friend,

I try not to judge homosexuality, it isn't in me to do it. I wish I could take back everything wrong I have ever said about homosexuals. Just because the behavoir to me doesn't line up with my faith doesn't mean I hate you. And I apologize for the Christians whose zealousy causes them to be idiots to homosexuals.

While I can understand why you think "hypocritical" is too strong a word, since the circumstances are not exactly the same, I can also see why , focusing only on the strength of the sex drive, BeanieBoy would choose that word. I can't think of any other word that could express the disparity between the words and actions based on the strength of sex drive alone that would not seem out of place when also taking into consideration the direction the sex drive is pulling the person.

C S Lewis, when writing about sin, refused to get involved in arguing against two particular behaviors, not because he did not believe them to be sin --he accepted the judgment of his Church against these behaviors, and not because he indulged in them himself -- but in fact for just the opposite reason. He never felt the slightest temptation toward either of these behaviors, and so felt himself unqualified to judge how those temptations would affect others. He felt he had no advice to someone struggling when he had no experience with the struggle, and that it would be hypocritical to condemn someone for not overcoming a temptation he never even had to face. The behaviors he refused to condemn were gambling and homosexuality (as the word is often used in these discussions -- not the orientation)

 

[aotn]

I chose. (It was one of the best decisions I have ever made.)

If you say you didn't choose, you didn't choose and that's fine, but I'd prefer it if you didn't assure anyone that "it is not chosen" (as opposed to "I didn't choose it"). You're not in a position to make such general remarks about everyone else's experiences.

I'd be interested in hearing how you chose your orientation. I really don't know anyone who flat-out chose the way that they are attracted to people... so, please, enlighten me!

 

[cantata]

I'd be interested in hearing how you chose your orientation. I really don't know anyone who flat-out chose the way that they are attracted to people... so, please, enlighten me!

I decided when I was nearly 14 that I was attracted to women. (I won't go into why; PM me if you're interested.) I spent three years telling myself I found women attractive, and by the end of that three years it came naturally to me to be attracted to women. I am now more attracted to women than to men and have had sexual and romantic relationships with both women and men.

It has improved my life enormously.

 

[LittleNipper]

If GOD "made" murderers, why is murder a sin?

 

[LittleNipper]

The very same reasons heterosexual couples get married



You mean like how you are trying to change the definition of a word to help you justify prejudice and discrimination?
They tried it a generation ago to keep interracial marriage illegal…it didn’t work then

I'm a one woman man. I got married to start a family (something "gay" sex will never accomplish). I don't know what others are trying to start. Heaven help me if I try to give you enough rope to justify your prejudice and discrimination towards any righteous definition of marriage... PS> are ONLY "gays" -------- gay? Think about that one.

 

[aotn]

If GOD "made" murderers, why is murder a sin?

Hmm... gotta be honest, I don't know anyone who is sexually-attracted to murder. Don't know anyone who hit puberty and started getting arousal from homicide. In fact, with few exceptions that fall into a categorizable mental illness, there are few people who murder because it's wired into their brain. Murderers kill for greed, revenge, envy, etc- because it accomplishes something, not just for the pleasure of murder itself.

I'm a one woman man. I got married to start a family (something "gay" sex will never accomplish). I don't know what others are trying to start.

No, gays can start a family. They get married and adopt, or there is artificial insemination. Then they create a warm, loving environment for their children, and raise them to become contributing members of society. (Also, no idea what the smiley is there for. There was nothing remotely funny about what you said).

Heaven help me if I try to give you enought rope to justify your prejudice and discrimination towards any righteous definition of marriage...

Oh yes, the "You're discriminating against me!" card. LittleNipper, I have nothing against you and your wife being married. I celebrate it. I am extremely happy for you. I think marriage is beyond wonderful, which is why we should open it up to two consenting adults who love each other and want to commit to each other for eternity under God. That, my friend, is righteous marriage.

are ONLY "gays" -------- gay? Think about that one.

No idea what you're getting at. Are ONLY "Christians" - - - - - Christian?

 

[LittleNipper]

Hmm... gotta be honest, I don't know anyone who is sexually-attracted to murder. Don't know anyone who hit puberty and started getting arousal from homicide. In fact, with few exceptions that fall into a categorizable mental illness, there are few people who murder because it's wired into their brain. Murderers kill for greed, revenge, envy, etc- because it accomplishes something, not just for the pleasure of murder itself.



No, gays can start a family. They get married and adopt, or there is artificial insemination. Then they create a warm, loving environment for their children, and raise them to become contributing members of society. (Also, no idea what the smiley is there for. There was nothing remotely funny about what you said).



Oh yes, the "You're discriminating against me!" card. LittleNipper, I have nothing against you and your wife being married. I celebrate it. I am extremely happy for you. I think marriage is beyond wonderful, which is why we should open it up to two consenting adults who love each other and want to commit to each other for eternity under God. That, my friend, is righteous marriage.



No idea what you're getting at. Are ONLY "Christians" - - - - - Christian?

The term "Christian" means "Little Christ." The term "gay" means joyous, merry, bright and brilliant.

I have a problem with those who go outside their marriage to enlist a third party to create a family.

I find nothing at all wrong with LOVE between men or between women; however, LOVE is not sex. Sex is for procreation. The person who cannot LOVE another individual without engaging in sexual acts doesn't seem to be either good friendship or parenting material, now can they?

 

[selfinflikted]

The term "Christian" means "Little Christ." The term "gay" means joyous, merry, bright and brilliant.

The term "gay" also means homosexual. True story.

I have a problem with those who go outside their marriage to enlist a third party to create a family.

So, a married heterosexual couple who uses a surrogate mother, or some other artificial means to get pregnant is also a no-no? ...or does this only apply to homosexuals?

I find nothing at all wrong with LOVE between men or between women

That's because there is nothing wrong with it.

however, LOVE is not sex.

Sex can be, and often is, an expression of love.

Sex is for procreation.

It can be, but there are plenty of other reasons to have sex other than to create life.

The person who cannot LOVE another individual without engaging in sexual acts doesn't seem to be either good friendship or parenting material, now can they?

Horrible grammar aside, you're missing the point entirely. Couples who are in love often have sex as an expression of said love, be it hetero or homosexual couples. Duh.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I'm a one woman man. I got married to start a family (something "gay" sex will never accomplish). I don't know what others are trying to start. Heaven help me if I try to give you enough rope to justify your prejudice and discrimination towards any righteous definition of marriage... PS> are ONLY "gays" -------- gay? Think about that one.

And infertile heterosexuals get married. And just like hundreds of thousands of gay and lesbian couples they start families. Yet you don’t apply “fertility” to all those infertile heterosexuals…or do you want to only apply “infertility” to minorities?

 

[unkern]

Titus 3:9-11

"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."

 

[BigBadWlf]

Hmm... gotta be honest, I don't know anyone who is sexually-attracted to murder. Don't know anyone who hit puberty and started getting arousal from homicide. In fact, with few exceptions that fall into a categorizable mental illness, there are few people who murder because it's wired into their brain. Murderers kill for greed, revenge, envy, etc- because it accomplishes something, not just for the pleasure of murder itself.

The above is a tactic long employed by racists to justify their prejudices. Racists will attempt to associate people of color with criminals making it “ok” to hate them.

No, gays can start a family. They get married and adopt, or there is artificial insemination. Then they create a warm, loving environment for their children, and raise them to become contributing members of society. (Also, no idea what the smiley is there for. There was nothing remotely funny about what you said).

LN happily ignores the fact that one out of four same gendered couples have children.

Oh yes, the "You're discriminating against me!" card. LittleNipper, I have nothing against you and your wife being married. I celebrate it. I am extremely happy for you. I think marriage is beyond wonderful, which is why we should open it up to two consenting adults who love each other and want to commit to each other for eternity under God. That, my friend, is righteous marriage.

It is another tactic of racists. They pretend that somehow they are the victim when good people stand up to lies and hatred.

No idea what you're getting at. Are ONLY "Christians" - - - - - Christian?

Maybe only true Christians™ share his personal prejudice?

 

[BigBadWlf]

The term "Christian" means "Little Christ." The term "gay" means joyous, merry, bright and brilliant.

I have a problem with those who go outside their marriage to enlist a third party to create a family.

Like the hundreds of thousands of couples, both gay and straight who adopt children and give them loving homes and a true family.

Didn’t John and Cindy McCain adopt?...obviously you have a problem with McCain because of that

 

[David Brider]

The term "Christian" means "Little Christ." The term "gay" means joyous, merry, bright and brilliant.

I have a problem with those who go outside their marriage to enlist a third party to create a family.

I find nothing at all wrong with LOVE between men or between women; however, LOVE is not sex. Sex is for procreation. The person who cannot LOVE another individual without engaging in sexual acts doesn't seem to be either good friendship or parenting material, now can they?

Sex without love would be, as far as I can tell, a bad thing. But sex as an expression of love, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that. And love without sex, too.

Gay people (by which I mean homosexual people) are more than capable of both of those.

David.

 

[aotn]

I have a problem with those who go outside their marriage to enlist a third party to create a family.

See, I like adoption, so I guess that's another thing you and I disagree on.

 

[Godzman]

The term "Christian" means "Little Christ." The term "gay" means joyous, merry, bright and brilliant.

I have a problem with those who go outside their marriage to enlist a third party to create a family.

I find nothing at all wrong with LOVE between men or between women; however, LOVE is not sex. Sex is for procreation. The person who cannot LOVE another individual without engaging in sexual acts doesn't seem to be either good friendship or parenting material, now can they?

What about surrogate mothers and adoption, that is getting a third party involved, or a second party if the one doing the adoption is single.

 

[Beanieboy]

If GOD "made" murderers, why is murder a sin?

if you don't already know the difference between someone taking the life of another, and two people simply loving each other, your heart is too hard for me to explain it to you. To me, it's simply common sense. Then again, I'm a Buddhist. Go figur'.