Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

[Altalia Slosky]

It takes a while to find the right woman. That is a whole other different story. The point is that the effort should be made. There are things parents have to deprive themselves for the sake of their children, its called sacrifice and love.

What makes you think homosexual parents can't love their children? I think gay parents love their children just as much as straight parents do, and would sacrifice anything for their kids.

 

[seeker777]

The gender IS important because of maternal instinct and chivalry, there are things only a mother can give, and things only a father can give. A child whos been adopted by 2 gay men is going to lack the mothering and nuturing qualitys that only a mother can give. Also breastfeeding is important also to the development of the child since formula too early can cause problems. I don't have a problem with someone who has gay sexual urges to adopt a child, as long as he gives up that lifestyle and gets married to a woman he loves. Its possible for someone who has a gay sexual orientation to fall in love with a woman and that effort should be made for the child and the wellbeing of himself. That is the loving thing to do if he truely cares for the child. Like I said , its unfair to the child to deprive him of that all because of sexual orientation.

Very weak argument...

1) Name 5 things that only a mother can give a child.

2) Name 5 things that only a father can give a child.

3) Some women can't breast feed, some women choose not to breast feed and if a person was desperate to provide breast milk...they can hire a wet nurse or they can utilize the services of a lactation clinic ( Vancouver has one for example)

4) A homosexual could marry a woman and have children. The homosexual would be living a lie and denying his true self, that he has an adult same sex attraction...physically and emotionally.

5) The loving thing to do, imo, is to raise the child in a loving, caring, nurturing environment regardless of sexual orientation...( you've actually contradicted yourself)

Just to summarize, you basically didn't make even one concrete point that holds any weight.

 

[BigBadWlf]

The gender IS important because of maternal instinct, there are things only a mother can give, and things only a father can give. A child whos been adopted by 2 gay men is going to lack the mothering and nuturing qualitys that only a mother can give. Also breastfeeding is important also to the development of the child since formula too early can cause problems.

Yet children raised by gay and lesbian parents are happy and well adjusted and grow up to be content and productive adults.

So obviously something is wrong with your theory.

I don't have a problem with someone who has gay sexual urges to adopt a child,

People are not their “sexual urges” – unless you are willing to admit the only reason your wife married you was to satisfy her lustful sexual urges.

This same tactic has been used by racists – to better justify their bigotry racists will denigrate non-whites to animal status evoking a lot of references to sex and how non-whites are sexually dangerous (better hide the white women). what you present is no different

as long as he gives up that lifestyle and gets married to a woman he loves.

So prospective adoptive must lie. How Christian of you.


I wonder if you think prospective black parents should be allowed to adopt so long as they give up the “black lifestyle” and wear whiteface

Its possible for someone who has a gay sexual orientation to fall in love with a woman and that effort should be made for the child and the wellbeing of himself. That is the loving thing to do if he truely cares for the child.

Like I said , its unfair to the child to deprive him of that all because of sexual orientation.[/quote]

so to be a “loving” parent a gay man must lie and tell his spouse he no longer wishes to be married to him
he must lie to his parents about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his family about his reasons for leaving his spouse
he must lie to his friends about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his co-workers about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his neighbors about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his pastor about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to any prospective woman he meets
He must lie and pretend to love her
he must lie to her parents about his feelings
he must lie to her family about his feelings
he must lie to her friends about his feelings
he must lie to her pastor about his feelings
he must lie to her neighbors about his feelings
he must lie to her co-workers about his feelings
He must lie to this woman about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her parents about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her family about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her friends about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her pastor about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her neighbors about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her co-workers about his reasons for wanting to be married

he must enter a sham marriage
a sacred marriage to – so he will belying to God

he must lie to his parents about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his family about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his friends about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his pastor about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his neighbors about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his co-workers about his reasons for wanting to be married

he will have to lie to adoption agencies
he will have to lie to social workers

and if some poor child is given into adoption in this sham marriage he will have to lie to his child
lie to the child’s friends and their families
lie to the child’s teachers

and lie
and lie
and lie
and lie


all that lying just so bigots like you can lie and pretend that somehow lying isn’t a sin

 

[Polycarp_fan]

What makes you think homosexual parents can't love their children? I think gay parents love their children just as much as straight parents do, and would sacrifice anything for their kids.

You do realize that it is a physical impossibility for "gays" to be "parents." Homosexuality cannot ever produce children. You do know that don't you? If not, I would suggest you get ahold of a middle school physiology or biology book and read it. It puts an end to the homophobia thing as well.

 

[Altalia Slosky]

You do realize that it is a physical impossibility for "gays" to be "parents." Homosexuality cannot ever produce children. You do know that don't you? If not, I would suggest you get ahold of a middle school physiology or biology book and read it. It puts an end to the homophobia thing as well.

A gay man could father a child and raise it with his partner. A lesbian could have a child and raise it with her partner. Our they could adopt. Either way, it's entirely possible for gays to be parents.

 

[BigBadWlf]

This is the new myth. That homosexuals are the saintliest people on TV. Totally different in reality when going to just a few gay bars. Not even the most attractive straight guy can have 50 sexual encounters a night. That happens in gay bars.

And if you can’t justify hatred and prejudice against a minority any other way….lie.

 

[seeker777]

You do realize that it is a physical impossibility for "gays" to be "parents." Homosexuality cannot ever produce children. You do know that don't you? If not, I would suggest you get ahold of a middle school physiology or biology book and read it. It puts an end to the homophobia thing as well.

Lesbians can't get pregnant?

Homosexuals can't have a surrogate mother?

Homosexuals and Lesbians can't adopt?

What kind of a weird argument are you presenting, or do you just mash the key board and wing it?

 

[Altalia Slosky]

Is it even possible for one to have 50 sexual encounters in one night? Somehow I doubt it...

 

[seeker777]

I will re-iterate.

Homosexuals and Lesbians are people, people with real emotions and real feelings.

The vicious things that are said about them on forums such as this, could possibly cause some real hurt feelings.

Basically, I've just given an anti-bullying lecture...that's just sad, and on a Christian forum?!

 

[seeker777]

Is it even possible for one to have 50 sexual encounters in one night? Somehow I doubt it...

Yeah, I thought that was a very odd comment as well....the lengths some people will go??

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Yet children raised by gay and lesbian parents are happy and well adjusted and grow up to be content and productive adults.

So obviously something is wrong with your theory.

The research has yet to develope. The whole gay adoption thing is still new. But, looking at the mental health facilities and the criminal detention centers, people with a mom and a dad (uh, um, man and woman, I keep forgetting I'm dealing with gay mindset) are in short supply. Except of course gang members.

People are not their “sexual urges” – unless you are willing to admit the only reason your wife married you was to satisfy her lustful sexual urges.

You may want to look up what the G the L the B and the T denote in the GLBT community and culture. Every single letter means a sexual proclivity that sprang from sexual urges. In fact, the GLBT side claims it is literally an "orientation."

This same tactic has been used by racists – to better justify their bigotry racists will denigrate non-whites to animal status evoking a lot of references to sex and how non-whites are sexually dangerous (better hide the white women). what you present is no different

Racism and sex acts are not the same thing. Homosexuality is a sex act. Slavery was people enslaving other people. Look it up.

So prospective adoptive must lie. How Christian of you.

Lying, like same-gender sex is a sin. Christians are urged to repne of doing either or both. In fact (biological and physiological) homosexuality is a lie to the gender commiting it on the body. Actually, there is no such thing as same-gender sex. The parts don't match up for the definition. A square peg in a round hole kinda of analogy. Err, yeah.

I wonder if you think prospective black parents should be allowed to adopt so long as they give up the “black lifestyle” and wear whiteface

Black lifestyle produces children on,y one way. The normal biological way. There is no difference because of melanin tone. It's absurd to compare Black people to the gay cause. It is just inappropriate.

[quoteLike I said , its unfair to the child to deprive him of that all because of sexual orientation.[/quote]

Moms don't come from moms, they come from dads. It takes a man, a male, to compliement the woman a female for the whole mom and dad thing to exist. Even in theconvoluted world of gay logic. All gays (in fact even all GLBT's) come from a mom and a dad. Even if they weren't married.

so to be a “loving” parent a gay man must lie and tell his spouse he no longer wishes to be married to him

he must lie to his parents about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his family about his reasons for leaving his spouse
he must lie to his friends about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his co-workers about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his neighbors about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to his pastor about his leaving reasons for his spouse
he must lie to any prospective woman he meets
He must lie and pretend to love her
he must lie to her parents about his feelings
he must lie to her family about his feelings
he must lie to her friends about his feelings
he must lie to her pastor about his feelings
he must lie to her neighbors about his feelings
he must lie to her co-workers about his feelings
He must lie to this woman about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her parents about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her family about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her friends about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her pastor about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her neighbors about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to her co-workers about his reasons for wanting to be married

he must enter a sham marriage
a sacred marriage to – so he will belying to God

he must lie to his parents about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his family about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his friends about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his pastor about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his neighbors about his reasons for wanting to be married
he must lie to his co-workers about his reasons for wanting to be married

he will have to lie to adoption agencies
he will have to lie to social workers

and if some poor child is given into adoption in this sham marriage he will have to lie to his child
lie to the child’s friends and their families
lie to the child’s teachers

and lie
and lie
and lie
and lie


all that lying just so bigots like you can lie and pretend that somehow lying isn’t a sin

Homosexuality is a lie to the reality of sexuality. There is no such thing as same-gender "sexual intercourse." The parts involved prove that fact. Just failed attempt after failed attempt. But then again, why cloud the issue with facts?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Yeah, I thought that was a very odd comment as well....the lengths some people will go??

That comes form one of the Christian hate sites, Focus on the Family, or the Family Fesearch Counsel (ever notice how these groups try to give themselves names opposed to what they actually represent?)

 

[seeker777]

That comes form one of the Christian hate sites, Focus on the Family, or the Family Fesearch Counsel (ever notice how these groups try to give themselves names opposed to what they actually represent?)

I thought that that number ' 50 ' was just made up....to think that there are people who believe that someone, heck anyone, anywhere is able to have 50 sexual encounters in one evening and then to pass that off as common?

Propaganda...very bad propaganda at that!

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Very weak argument...

1) Name 5 things that only a mother can give a child.

Five siblings. a homosexual cannot be a mother. It can't happen. It's a fact.

2) Name 5 things that only a father can give a child.

Five siblings. A homosexual cannot be a father. It can't happen. It's a fact.

3) Some women can't breast feed, some women choose not to breast feed and if a person was desperate to provide breast milk...they can hire a wet nurse or they can utilize the services of a lactation clinic ( Vancouver has one for example)

A homosexual cannot breast feed an offspring they can never have. They would have to hire a natural mother for both aspects.

4) A homosexual could marry a woman and have children. The homosexual would be living a lie and denying his true self, that he has an adult same sex attraction...physically and emotionally.

A natural fact is not a lie. This is a good reason to not "legalize" same-sex marriage.

5) The loving thing to do, imo, is to raise the child in a loving, caring, nurturing environment regardless of sexual orientation...( you've actually contradicted yourself)

Nature calls this set up a lie. It actually can never happen "naturally" unless non-homosexuality is the basis for "family." Children of homosexuals is an oxymoron.

Just to summarize, you basically didn't make even one concrete point that holds any weight.

It appears that nothing can crack the Gay Agenda and those that wield it with absolute power.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I thought that that number ' 50 ' was just made up....to think that there are people who believe that someone, heck anyone, anywhere is able to have 50 sexual encounters in one evening and then to pass that off as common?

Propaganda...very bad propaganda at that!

The names on the AIDS quilt may indeed be propaganda, but those numbers put many of the names on that quiilt.

 

[seeker777]

Lying, like same-gender sex is a sin.

I would take you and your like more seriously if you spent just as much time condemning the 245 million Americans that tell lies every day....instead of concentrating all your energy on a minority, like homosexuals.

You said it, sin is sin...so why so much emphasis on a small minority?

Why not go after the universal sins, like masturbation or telling lies? Those things virtually everyone in the world does...that's like 6.5 billion sinners....that's like 50 billion sins a day.

Why not put your energy in condemning all the liars?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

And if you can’t justify hatred and prejudice against a minority any other way….lie.

Really? How much "saintly behavior" is going on in Gay bars and bathhouses? Care a guess? Anytime someone presents reality about the gay life you gays call it hate. I don't think it is hate when you people point out the sinful behavior of Christians. Please deal with reality. Opposing homosexuality has nothing to do with hate.

 

[seeker777]

It appears that nothing can crack the Gay Agenda and those that wield it with absolute power.

Gay agenda? You have got to be kidding me?! If only you knew me....I was just as bigoted as you a few years ago, blindly bigoted that is...I never thought about it...I was told gays were wrong, gays were bad, gays were sinners and gay was a choice...I just accepted it...

Until one day, I used my brain to do some thinking...I had always maintained that homosexuality was unnatural, then I found out that lots of animals are gay and bisexual....eek, so much for that argument...its natural, and god created everything....animals can be gay, clearly they are wired that way...hmmmm

Then the big question...the what if....

... someone in my family was a homosexual, would I turn my back on them,shun them, hate them, kick them out of my life?

No I would not. I would rather everyone was heterosexual, but they are not...in any event, my bigotry has pretty much ended, but I still have my off days...working on it.

 

[seeker777]

Really? How much "saintly behavior" is going on in Gay bars and bathhouses? Care a guess? Anytime someone presents reality about the gay life you gays call it hate. I don't think it is hate when you people point out the sinful behavior of Christians. Please deal with reality. Opposing homosexuality has nothing to do with hate.

There are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more heterosexuals, many millions more engaging in sinful activities....but you don't see weirdo's standing outside hetero bars with big placards saying ' God hates Fornicators'.

You just see those guys at Gay events.....why so much emphasis on a small minority of sinners, instead of going after the big majority of sinners...the general population?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I would take you and your like more seriously if you spent just as much time condemning the 245 million Americans that tell lies every day....instead of concentrating all your energy on a minority, like homosexuals.

There are NO Liar Pride Parades. There are no liars charging honest people with a hate crime for not liking liars.

You said it, sin is sin...so why so much emphasis on a small minority?

No other sinners are take "pride" in their sins. Except maybe porn actors and used car salesmen. Still no Porn Pride Parades yet. Unless you count the sex DURING the Pride Parades.

Why not go after the universal sins, like masturbation or telling lies?

No one is proud of masturbation excpet the gay community (and porn community). And still NO Liar Pride days at schools that I know of. Most liars don't like to promote that they are liars

[quoteThose things virtually everyone in the world does...that's like 6.5 billion sinners....that's like 50 billion sins a day.[/quote]

Opposing liras does not get you labeled a liaraphobe. And Christians do not accept lying either.

Why not put your energy in condemning all the liars?

Have you read the Ten Commnadments or read ANY of the New Testament? Oh, and please tell me, how do you honor your "father and mother" when you are a "child" of same-gender parents? Another place to see the Bible opposing gay whatever.

By the way, the reference is from the Ten Commandments.